JV talks, sort of

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Originally Posted by Race Radio View Post
ex wife, kids to feed.....Part of getting paid $800,000 per year to show up "Prepared" for 4-5 races per year includes spewing nonsense.

Chris [Horner] should share his blood values for the last few years. They look like the profile of Tour climbing stage

So, quite boring?

You are making unsubstantiated allegations here. Provide links or don't make the allegations. And don't hide behind "common knowledge" - I don't know it, and I'm common enough for this purpose. TYVM.

So, freedom of speech but just not on Saint Jonathan of Vaughters? You know, the man who still is very proud of himself:
''He was perhaps young to retire, but clearly had maximized his abilities at a somewhat earlier age than most through ground-breaking training techniques, and extreme focus. In his 10 years as a professional cyclist he set the record up Mount Ventoux.''
link:
http://www.slipstreamsports.com/garmin-slipstream-staff

And, dont forget:
''I've dedicated my life to professional cycling, anti-doping, and aggravating people with no sense of humor.''

He looks a bit silenced the last months, still grasping for breath after seeing Chris and Chris beat doped records?

 

[hrotha]

Thanks, guys! So I didn't dream it up. Interesting...

 

[Netserk]

Libertine is going to love this tweet from JV

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/378905376004907008

Jonathan VaughtersVerified account ‏@Vaughters

@akcook13 @Laura_Meseguer actually, I doubt there's much of a market for him [Horner, red.]. A bit like Cobo a few years back.

An older tweet from JV about Horner that has already been posted here before.

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/374638675776126976

Jonathan VaughtersVerified account ‏@Vaughters

@nealrogers @richardmoore73 @Ben_M_Berry Are you guys discussing the same Chris Horner that chased down Hincapie in final tdf for talking?

 

[Ferminal]

Amazing that even Vaughters called out his blood values yet he managed to evade an ABP violation!? i.e. 1) His Dolomiti ABP was actually legal or 2) Someone shredded the recommendation from the panel. (edit: seems sniper got this in another thread already)

Also lol @ calling out Cobo when he's got his own version on his team...

 

[sniper]

Amazing that even Vaughters called out his blood values yet he managed to evade an ABP violation!? i.e. 1) His Dolomiti ABP was actually legal or 2) Someone shredded the recommendation from the panel. (edit: seems sniper got this in another thread already)

Also lol @ calling out Cobo when he's got his own version on his team...

and RR's quoted post says that Horner's BP has been suspicious "for the last few years", so the BP not flagging Horner has little to do with the upcoming elections. In the last few years the UCI did open other BP cases.

Recall also that Horner was a zero on the UCI supicion index.
PErhaps he had his *** covered already back then.

 

[Zeemax]

Daniel Martins sudden downfall in the General Classification of the Tour De France this July during the third week was put down to him being "simply worn out". General fatigue is quite understandable given the extreme difficulty of this three week race. He wasn't able to sustain the power that he had during the first two weeks, when he was nicely postitioned in 10th place in the general classification. But yet those cyclists ahead of him in the CG, in particular Froome, Quintana, Rodriguez, Contador and Valverde for example
did not get "worn out" and were able to sustain the same form in the third week as they had during the first two weeks. Daniel Martin is a top class cyclist and when you witness his drop in form, one has to pose the question, why did the above mentioned cyclists, and others not lose their form.

 

[hrotha]

I don't think Dan Martin is a true GT rider. He also faded somewhat in the 2011 Vuelta, for example. Look at his teammate Talansky - he only got better in the third week.

 

[EnacheV]

Daniel Martins sudden downfall in the General Classification of the Tour De France this July during the third week was put down to him being "simply worn out". General fatigue is quite understandable given the extreme difficulty of this three week race. He wasn't able to sustain the power that he had during the first two weeks, when he was nicely postitioned in 10th place in the general classification. But yet those cyclists ahead of him in the CG, in particular Froome, Quintana, Rodriguez, Contador and Valverde for example
did not get "worn out" and were able to sustain the same form in the third week as they had during the first two weeks. Daniel Martin is a top class cyclist and when you witness his drop in form, one has to pose the question, why did the above mentioned cyclists, and others not lose their form.

because some cyclists are only good and some are very good, the difference is made on the road

you thinking X must be very good is irrelevant, as i said, the road separate good from very good, not your opinions

 

[sniper]

Daniel Martins sudden downfall in the General Classification of the Tour De France this July during the third week was put down to him being "simply worn out". General fatigue is quite understandable given the extreme difficulty of this three week race. He wasn't able to sustain the power that he had during the first two weeks, when he was nicely postitioned in 10th place in the general classification. But yet those cyclists ahead of him in the CG, in particular Froome, Quintana, Rodriguez, Contador and Valverde for example
did not get "worn out" and were able to sustain the same form in the third week as they had during the first two weeks. Daniel Martin is a top class cyclist and when you witness his drop in form, one has to pose the question, why did the above mentioned cyclists, and others not lose their form.

simple question.
daniel didn't refill for the third week.

 

[Zeemax]

you thinking X must be very good is irrelevant, as i said, the road separate good from very good, not your opinions

And what about David Walsh's opinion. Interviewed on Irish Radio last year, who felt that Martin's chances of winning a three week grand tour are being compromised by those who continue to dope within the peloton.

 

[Benotti69]

So, quite boring?

So, freedom of speech but just not on Saint Jonathan of Vaughters? You know, the man who still is very proud of himself:
''He was perhaps young to retire, but clearly had maximized his abilities at a somewhat earlier age than most through ground-breaking training techniques, and extreme focus. In his 10 years as a professional cyclist he set the record up Mount Ventoux.''
link:
http://www.slipstreamsports.com/garmin-slipstream-staff

And, dont forget:
''I've dedicated my life to professional cycling, anti-doping, and aggravating people with no sense of humor.''

He looks a bit silenced the last months, still grasping for breath after seeing Chris and Chris beat doped records?

Trying to sell clean cycling to the clinic is a bit like trying to sell sand to the Arabs.

 

[GuyIncognito]

Trying to sell clean cycling to the clinic is a bit like trying to sell sand to the Arabs.

We're sick of it because it's all around us and we've spent our lives looking at it?
Bad choice of analogy

 

[Benotti69]

We're sick of it because it's all around us and we've spent our lives looking at it?
Bad choice of analogy

waste of time trying to sell us unicorns when we know they dont exist.

 

[GuyIncognito]

waste of time trying to sell us unicorns when we know they dont exist.

A quick insight into the mind of the Horner fan

5:30-5:35 (Takes a while to get past the ads at the start)
http://my.tv.sohu.com/us/5438182/3971361.shtml

 

[Dr. Maserati]

So, quite boring?

So, freedom of speech but just not on Saint Jonathan of Vaughters? You know, the man who still is very proud of himself:
''He was perhaps young to retire, but clearly had maximized his abilities at a somewhat earlier age than most through ground-breaking training techniques, and extreme focus. In his 10 years as a professional cyclist he set the record up Mount Ventoux.''
link:
http://www.slipstreamsports.com/garmin-slipstream-staff

And, dont forget:
''I've dedicated my life to professional cycling, anti-doping, and aggravating people with no sense of humor.''

He looks a bit silenced the last months, still grasping for breath after seeing Chris and Chris beat doped records?

Freedom of speech? No, a mod has pointed out that people are not free to troll here.

Trying to sell clean cycling to the clinic is a bit like trying to sell sand to the Arabs.

So, where has JV tried to 'sell' that cycling is clean?
Oh, thats right - this is more stuff you just made up.

 

[vedrafjord]

Daniel Martins sudden downfall in the General Classification of the Tour De France this July during the third week was put down to him being "simply worn out". General fatigue is quite understandable given the extreme difficulty of this three week race. He wasn't able to sustain the power that he had during the first two weeks, when he was nicely postitioned in 10th place in the general classification. But yet those cyclists ahead of him in the CG, in particular Froome, Quintana, Rodriguez, Contador and Valverde for example
did not get "worn out" and were able to sustain the same form in the third week as they had during the first two weeks. Daniel Martin is a top class cyclist and when you witness his drop in form, one has to pose the question, why did the above mentioned cyclists, and others not lose their form.

He said in his Irish Times column that he fell ill on stage 18.

Well, that certainly didn’t go to plan. On the most famous climb in cycling, on the day when I’d be riding past a thousand Irish fans on Alpe d’Huez, my aim of taking my second stage win in this year’s Tour de France fizzled out due to illness. As I write this I’m pretty wasted, coughing and feeling sick, and wishing that things had worked out differently.

I actually didn’t feel too bad when I woke up. I was coughing a bit more than I had been the last couple of days, but I thought it was nothing out of the ordinary, really. Even in the team bus, I didn’t feel too bad at all.

However when we hit the first climb, my legs and my whole body were just empty. It was just a fight for survival. I wasn’t coughing or anything then, but every muscle in my body was hurting. I was dripping with sweat, yet I was cold at the same time. It was just something really not going right with my body.

 

[sniper]

Trying to sell clean cycling to the clinic is a bit like trying to sell sand to the Arabs.

So, where has JV tried to 'sell' that cycling is clean? Oh, thats right - this is more stuff you just made up.

it was a figure of speech, doc.
the reason these things are called 'figures of speech', you see, is because you shouldn't take them literally.

anyway, vaughters has thrown the bait out (FoS) plenty of times by saying things like "see why i think it's clean now?" only to see that nobody bites and, on the contrary, is made to backtrack on it an equal amount of times. (And so the "cleanER cycling" story was born, but that's for a different day.)

he still comes up with cool stories, by the way, like this one:

“Culturally, it’s 180 degrees from when I was racing,” Vaughters said. “If you look at it today, the people that make the decision (to dope) are quickly ostracized. It’s not accepted. It’s not what the cool kids do anymore ”

http://www.summitdaily.com/news/7821653-113/danielson-doping-cycling-garmin

and it's not just vaughters himself, it's his riders who are selling (FoS) clean cycling echoing what prentice so adequately labeled "perception is reality".

Here's Talansky:

You look at what I'm doing … and if you want proof that cycling is clean now, look no further."

From the previously linked article (august 2013):

Garmin’s Danielson and Vaughters say doping is in the rearview

And really, I'm lacking time, but you know we could fill pages with similar quotes from Vaughters and his riders.

So yeah, they (vaughters c.s.) certainly are trying to 'sell' (FoS) clean cycling.

they're not the only ones of course, but that's for a different day.

 

[Benotti69]

So, where has JV tried to 'sell' that cycling is clean?

Where hasn't he?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

it was a figure of speech, doc.
the reason these things are called 'figures of speech', you see, is because you shouldn't take them literally.

anyway, vaughters has thrown the bait out (FoS) plenty of times by saying things like "see why i think it's clean now?" only to see that nobody bites and, on the contrary, is made to backtrack on it an equal amount of times. (And so the "cleanER cycling" story was born, but that's for a different day.)

he still comes up with cool stories, by the way, like this one:
http://www.summitdaily.com/news/7821653-113/danielson-doping-cycling-garmin

and it's not just vaughters himself, it's his riders who are selling (FoS) clean cycling echoing what prentice so adequately labeled "perception is reality".

Here's Talansky:


From the previously linked article (august 2013):


And really, I'm lacking time, but you know we could fill pages with similar quotes from Vaughters and his riders.

So yeah, they (vaughters c.s.) certainly are trying to 'sell' (FoS) clean cycling.

they're not the only ones of course, but that's for a different day.

Yet the one 'quote' you use from Vaughters does not say anything about cycling being clean. In fact he even says in that quote that people dope.

Now you are introducing what Talansky says to account for Vaughters??

 

[sniper]

...
Now you are introducing what Talansky says to account for Vaughters??

nope.
10 chars.

 

[Benotti69]

Yet the one 'quote' you use from Vaughters does not say anything about cycling being clean. In fact he even says in that quote that people dope.

People or Riders, does the Vortex not know?

Now you are introducing what Talansky says to account for Vaughters??

Hasn't stopped you accounting for Chemical JV.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

People or Riders, does the Vortex not know?



Hasn't stopped you accounting for Chemical JV.

Its amusing that you call me the Vortex, yet here you are desperately trying to spin stuff that JV says in an effort to discredit him.

 

[hrotha]

Come on, to try to argue JV hasn't put forward and went to great lengths to defend the notion that cycling has got a lot cleaner is just ridiculous.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Come on, to try to argue JV hasn't put forward and went to great lengths to defend the notion that cycling has got a lot cleaner is just ridiculous.

That is the distinction.

However (yet again) JVs point that cycling is cleaner, which most people would accept, is exaggerated to state that he says cycling is clean.

 

[sniper]

That is the distinction.

However (yet again) JVs point that cycling is cleaner, which most people would accept, is exaggerated to state that he says cycling is clean.

he said cycling is clean (as opposed to cleanER) for instance in this tweet, but of course he backtracked on that so let's call that a slip of the tongue.

and never mind that on several occasions he's claimed Sky to be "clean" (as opposed to "cleanER"). No slip of the tongue this time.

he also recently (august) said this:

“Culturally, it’s 180 degrees from when I was racing,” Vaughters said. “If you look at it today, the people that make the decision (to dope) are quickly ostracized. It’s not accepted. It’s not what the cool kids do anymore ”

cool story bro.