Talansky seems like a moron. Much like that other clown Phinney.Ferminal said:Talansky couldn't work out that Armstrong was a doper, but his radar today is spot on.
Talansky seems like a moron. Much like that other clown Phinney.Ferminal said:Talansky couldn't work out that Armstrong was a doper, but his radar today is spot on.
Disagree. Phinney has come a long way from his early Armstrong-struck days. He actually sounds smart.Moose McKnuckles said:Talansky seems like a moron. Much like that other clown Phinney.
You see Di Luca with his 90% comment is near implying calling guys like Talansky dopers especially as he refers to "you can't finish top 10 in the Giro without doping." Even though it's not the Giro, Talansky has top 10s in two GTs so is it any wonder he reacted the way he did.sniper said:if talansky's clean, he should be alarmed by di luca's accusations, rather than attack him for it.
how can talansky vouch for anybody outside garmin?
delusional? how does talansky know?
where does talansky's agression come from? genuine hatred? wtf?
objectively, talansky's comments sound like old school omerta.
So when the "new generation" say a simple statement that the sport is cleaner than ever, it is to be scoffed at, but Di Luca's comments are to be taking serious even with no detail.Benotti69 said:Is he talking crap?
I dont think he is.
What rider?pmcg76 said:There were others who spit in the soup before Kimmage, probably man we never heard about. FFS, even in his book he talks about a French rider going on live TV and talking about doping in cycling before Rough Ride ever came out. Doing that in France was a lot braver than releasing a book in UK & Ireland where cycling was small fry compared to France.
Nobody knows the full account of what JV said to USADA other than what was related to the Armstrong case. Has Kimmage even talked to anyone within the cycling world about doping? Why has he never fingered Roche or Kelly when the evidence is already out there?
Because Di Luca's statement, dubious as it is, actually lines up better with the evidence.gooner said:So when the "new generation" say a simple statement that the sport is cleaner than ever, it is to be scoffed at, but Di Luca's comments are to be taking serious even with no detail.
A bit selective in your acceptance of one comment over the other.
thisFerminal said:Talansky couldn't work out that Armstrong was a doper, but his radar today is spot on.
So a guy riding for his lifetime in the sport knows nothing but a newbie knows everything. That's logical.gooner said:So when the "new generation" say a simple statement that the sport is cleaner than ever, it is to be scoffed at, but Di Luca's comments are to be taking serious even with no detail.
A bit selective in your acceptance of one comment over the other.
Like Marco Pinotti?Benotti69 said:So a guy riding for his lifetime in the sport knows nothing but a newbie knows everything. That's logical.![]()
Marco was 9th in the Giro.wasn't going to waste any time on this but since you wonder here it is : to MY knowledge, that's bull****
When did Pinotti become Talansky?Race Radio said:Like Marco Pinotti?
Pinotti has ridden for some well dodgy teams.Race Radio said:Marco was 9th in the Giro.
There is certainly doping still in the sport but the 90% figure is a bit hard to believe.
I was replying to your post about a rider spending a lifetime in the sport, which Marco has. I agree that Talansky is not the best source.....but Marco is.Benotti69 said:When did Pinotti become Talansky?
Pinotti has ridden for some well dodgy teams.
I dont see where the culture to dope stopped. It has metamorphosed over the years but as for stopping, nope cant say i have seen it.
Talansky at best is an idiot shooting his mouth off....Race Radio said:I was replying to your post about a rider spending a lifetime in the sport, which Marco has. I agree that Talansky is not the best source.....but Marco is.
the epo full on 60%Hcts has passed, but doping hasn't thats for sure. But that doesn't make the doping any better just because it aint like the 90s. All doping is out of order.Race Radio said:I am certainly not saying the culture of doping has stopped. Sure it is less then 15 years ago, or even 8 years ago, even Di lucca admits this.....but it has not stopped. What I have an issue with is Di Lucca's claim that 90% dope. I don't believe that is true. His claim that you have to dope to be in the top 10 of the Giro is easier to believe but I still think Marco rode clean so even that claim is not accurate
Digger said:What rider?
Agreed, there is a lot of moral relativism.....but for me it comes to the % who are actually doping. I think it is vastly lower then the 90's, regardless of product.Benotti69 said:Talansky at best is an idiot shooting his mouth off....
the epo full on 60%Hcts has passed, but doping hasn't thats for sure. But that doesn't make the doping any better just because it aint like the 90s. All doping is out of order.
I wonder do people consider the EPO era different from pre-epo and now post-epo and new PEDs dont count......
I wonder how many other guys out there were lucky when they were taking their EPO and no OOC tester came knocking? Lots i bet.
Great to see you back posting here.Race Radio said:There is certainly doping still in the sport but the 90% figure is a bit hard to believe.
Race Radio said:Agreed, there is a lot of moral relativism.....but for me it comes to the % who are actually doping. I think it is vastly lower then the 90's, regardless of product.
And that was from 2008. I imagine the numbers are a bit higher nowBenotti69 said:Did JV say that doping is no longer cool....
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/22984780/ns/health-childrens_health/t/kids-steroids-willing-risk-it-all-success/#.UuV0YBRFCM8
Agree. That's was the point I was making. Without detail, why should one be accepted as gospel over the other which is what Benotti is doing. In the end it can just otherwise be painted as a load of old guff. No doubt there is still doping in the sport and while I don't believe his estimate of 90% figure, I don't pay much if any attention to guys who say it's near non-existent today.hrotha said:Because Di Luca's statement, dubious as it is, actually lines up better with the evidence.
Personally I don't believe his figures, but I'll take them over those who say cycling doesn't have a doping problem anymore.
Coming from a guy who makes up stuff to say the figure is higher than 90% and he's not even in the peloton.Benotti69 said:So a guy riding for his lifetime in the sport knows nothing but a newbie knows everything. That's logical.![]()
Pinotti was calling out Armstrong back during the time period when according to Wiggins, you were risking your life if you didn't continuously seek out interviews in order to praise Lance as much as possible, remind the world what a great man he was, how great he is for cycling, insult those who doubted him etc etc.Benotti69 said:Pinotti has ridden for some well dodgy teams.
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what are we supposed to do with this one thenBenotti69 said:So a guy riding for his lifetime in the sport knows nothing but a newbie knows everything. That's logical.![]()
Agreed. I'd guess it around 40-60% at most. Di Luca is a nutbar.Race Radio said:Agreed, there is a lot of moral relativism.....but for me it comes to the % who are actually doping. I think it is vastly lower then the 90's, regardless of product.
Oh I knew exactly who you were referring to - Garcia was Nov 89...Kimmage was already writing his book at this stage for publishing in '90...so to say Kimmage wasn't even the first to spit in the soup is splitting hairs.pmcg76 said:You know what, this makes me laugh. Kimmage is such a huge figure for people but then you have to wonder if they have even read Rough Ride.
Unless it was edited out of later editions (maybe I just know Rough Ride inside out), Kimmage relates a story about a guy called Didier Garcia who was pro for about 4-5 seasons in the mid 80s, rode for the Systeme-u team and KAS and got really ****ed up on the drugs. He appeared on French TV to talk about his ordeal in procycling and was laughed at by Marc Madiot. Kimmage said how he was so angry at Madiot becasue he could relate to what Garcia had experienced.
Wonder what Kimmage thinks of Madiot now???
I post my opinion. Sorry that it doesn't agree with those who are suckered by the likes of JV to believe the sport is cleaner.gooner said:Coming from a guy who makes up stuff to say the figure is higher than 90% and he's not even in the peloton.
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