JV talks, sort of

[jens_attacks]

I am still puzzled why he got a 2 year contract after it became obvious that he is mediocre at best to put it politely.

But maybe paying for the ride explains some of it.

i don't think it's working like that. looking at his body and his results, the guy probably doesn't even take testo, forget about kerosene and stuff. you really can't say how mediocre is because the environement doesn't allow it. he's now a well paid cyclotourist.
maybe he will change his plans this year.
if not, a stage in circuit de la sarthe is the maximum he can achieve riding like that.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

i don't think it's working like that. looking at his body and his results, the guy probably doesn't even take testo, forget about kerosene and stuff. you really can't say how mediocre is because the environement doesn't allow it. he's now a well paid cyclotourist.
maybe he will change his plans this year.
if not, a stage in circuit de la sarthe is the maximum he can achieve riding like that.

If he can lose that 4kg (2 muscle + 2 fat) and increase his absolute power as JV predicted, he should go pretty well yeah?

 

[jens_attacks]

If he can lose that 4kg (2 muscle + 2 fat) and increase his absolute power as JV predicted, he should go pretty well yeah?

i doubt that doing only that will bring the results he wishes. not for the big races anyway.
it's pretty clear that it's a make it or break it season for him. it will be too bad if he's gonna retire, i still regard him as a big engine and class on a bike. whatever he will choose, we will see...

 

[SundayRider]

i doubt that doing only that will bring the results he wishes. not for the big races anyway.
it's pretty clear that it's a make it or break it season for him. it will be too bad if he's gonna retire, i still regard him as a big engine and class on a bike. whatever he will choose, we will see...

Dekker isn't much without EPO, think his results speak for that.

 

[jens_attacks]

Dekker isn't much without EPO, think his results speak for that.

you could say that only if you know 100% that his rivals are riding like him. which is definitely not the case.

 

[SundayRider]

you could say that only if you know 100% that his rivals are riding like him. which is definitely not the case.

True. His early part of his career was really good compared to now though wasn't it?

 

[blackcat]

Dekker isn't much without EPO, think his results speak for that.

he is a pretty good anthropomorphised horse face tho.

 

[Granville57]

JV once stated that if all the ex-dopers were removed from the sport, "there wouldn't be anybody left to turn off the lights." (or something to that effect)

Look!
https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/277096153076613120

My response to that has alway been:
And that would affect my life...how, exactly?

I've always wondered just how pro cyclist view themselves in the grand scheme of things. What is it that they feel they contribute to the world? Are they entertainers? To many us, probably, Yes. But I can't imagine they view themselves in such a light, considering how much contempt so many of them seem to have towards us "fans."

So what is it that they feel justifies the hundreds of thousands of dollars that many of the top riders earn annually—for riding a bicycle? Serious question.

Another serious question:
Why am I supposed to care if it all just went away, say...tomorrow? Because I wouldn't. Not in the slightest. For entertainment value, there are still plenty of old races I could watch, repeatedly, that would entertain me. No different than listening to my favorite albums, for the umpteenth time. Still entertaining and inspiring.

With this implied fear that "there wouldn't be anyone left," my response is, So what?

Is there a valid answer to this?

Surprise me.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

JV once stated that if all the ex-dopers were removed from the sport, "there wouldn't be anybody left to turn off the lights." (or something to that effect)

Look!
https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/277096153076613120

My response to that has alway been:
And that would affect my life...how, exactly?

I've always wondered just how pro cyclist view themselves in the grand scheme of things. What is it that they feel they contribute to the world? Are they entertainers? To many us, probably, Yes. But I can't imagine they view themselves in such a light, considering how much contempt so many of them seem to have towards us "fans."

So what is it that they feel justifies the hundreds of thousands of dollars that many of the top riders earn annually—for riding a bicycle? Serious question.

Another serious question:
Why am I supposed to care if it all just went away, say...tomorrow? Because I wouldn't. Not in the slightest. For entertainment value, there are still plenty of old races I could watch, repeatedly, that would entertain me. No different than listening to my favorite albums, for the umpteenth time. Still entertaining and inspiring.

With this implied fear that "there wouldn't be anyone left," my response is, So what?

Is there a valid answer to this?

Surprise me.

Lots of job protection involved naturally. The majority of hardcore fans would probably stick around even if the entire WT group vanished.

Race organizers are somewhat intact
Regulator intact (lol)
Grassroot level intact
Bike supplers and component suppliers intact
Broadcast expertise is intact
Internet is low cost marketing vehicle and is available everywhere.

After 5 years the top of the sport would probably recover to the point its business as usual.

So would it solve the problems we have? Maybe. Certainly more credible, but the regulator would have to work really hard to avoid a similar mess in the future.

 

[timmers]

JV once stated that if all the ex-dopers were removed from the sport, "there wouldn't be anybody left to turn off the lights." (or something to that effect)

Look!
https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/277096153076613120

My response to that has alway been:
And that would affect my life...how, exactly?

I've always wondered just how pro cyclist view themselves in the grand scheme of things. What is it that they feel they contribute to the world? Are they entertainers? To many us, probably, Yes. But I can't imagine they view themselves in such a light, considering how much contempt so many of them seem to have towards us "fans."

So what is it that they feel justifies the hundreds of thousands of dollars that many of the top riders earn annually—for riding a bicycle? Serious question.

Another serious question:
Why am I supposed to care if it all just went away, say...tomorrow? Because I wouldn't. Not in the slightest. For entertainment value, there are still plenty of old races I could watch, repeatedly, that would entertain me. No different than listening to my favorite albums, for the umpteenth time. Still entertaining and inspiring.

With this implied fear that "there wouldn't be anyone left," my response is, So what?

Is there a valid answer to this?

Surprise me.

Well you have been posting on here for years so why would you stop? Contrarily to your recent posts I think cycling has improved. But I am not saying it is perfect. The question I always ask is what are you doing? In the US if you don't like what US Cycling is doing then get others to vote against them! This assumes you have a UCI licence, if not, then why follow cycling so closely?

 

[Digger]

The joys of the internet are that we can find these oldies from our boy JV

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2005/vaughters_1999

 

[Dear Wiggo]

The joys of the internet are that we can find these oldies from our boy JV

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2005/vaughters_1999

But that year, it is now widely accepted even by the UCI, according to Vaughters, that its testing apparatus was calibrated somewhat high.

It would seem the words "echo chamber" go both ways. Words uttered by team manager JV in 2005 on CN main site echo out of the Clinic sub forum 9 years later to explain Ryder's Giro winning blood profile.

Who woulda thunk.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

The joys of the internet are that we can find these oldies from our boy JV

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2005/vaughters_1999

Are you the same Digger that accused Magnus Backstedt of failing an internal drug test which resulted in him getting fired?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

And I do wonder, having seen the secret confession JV made when Frankie came clean but JV refused to be named, whether that confession and "support" nullifies the very clear lie told in 2005.

On balance, I'd say putting your name to something (like JV did in 2005, saying there was no doping by LA that he was aware of and the peloton is 85% clean) holds more weight than an anonymous agreement in a newspaper.

 

[Digger]

As wonderfully talented as Lance was, he put in the time," Vaughters said.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=cycling&id=2505775

 

[Dear Wiggo]

As wonderfully talented as Lance was, he put in the time," Vaughters said.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=cycling&id=2505775

The crown jewel is Team TIAA-CREF, one of America's youngest pro cycling squads with a simple goal: Be ready for the 2009 Tour de France.

It's going to be a tough task. Only the top 20 pro teams are invited into to the Tour de France field, plus a couple of wild card teams. Only one U.S. team is in this year's tour, Discovery Channel, Armstrong's former squad

Given JV did in fact dope, and knew more than 85% of the peloton was as well, how the flippin heck did he expect to have his team ready for the Tour de France by 2009?

The precursor for the BP he was involved with didn't kick in until 2007, I thought?

Did JV seriously think he could eradicate doping from the pro peloton, single handedly, by 2009 - 3 year's time?

Good grief.

That paragraph reads more like the mastermind butcher preparing lambs for a slaughter.

 

[Digger]

Given JV did in fact dope, and knew more than 85% of the peloton was as well, how the flippin heck did he expect to have his team ready for the Tour de France by 2009?

The precursor for the BP he was involved with didn't kick in until 2007, I thought?

Did JV seriously think he could eradicate doping from the pro peloton, single handedly, by 2009 - 3 year's time?

Good grief.

That paragraph reads more like the mastermind butcher preparing lambs for a slaughter.

Because, as JV said he wouldn't trust me to walk his dog, as I would probably eat it, I wouldn't believe the radio in his house.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

You fellas didnt read the memo? Mass doping stopped in 2006, thats why the TIAAA CREF boys could kick @ss in the 2009 Tour.

 

[Digger]

"He's the only kid who has Lance's kind of motor."
http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/biking/road-biking/Coming-Attraction.html

 

[Digger]

Vaughters said: “Regarding the Dutch media report: No 6mos suspensions have been given to any member of Slipstream Sports. Today or at any future date,” adding, “Which is a total buzz kill, as I was online looking at a place in Bora Bora

http://road.cc/content/news/61041-h...evelde-alleged-dope-ban-deal-evidence-against

 

[Dr. Maserati]

JV once stated that if all the ex-dopers were removed from the sport, "there wouldn't be anybody left to turn off the lights." (or something to that effect)

Look!
https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/277096153076613120

My response to that has alway been:
And that would affect my life...how, exactly?

I've always wondered just how pro cyclist view themselves in the grand scheme of things. What is it that they feel they contribute to the world? Are they entertainers? To many us, probably, Yes. But I can't imagine they view themselves in such a light, considering how much contempt so many of them seem to have towards us "fans."

So what is it that they feel justifies the hundreds of thousands of dollars that many of the top riders earn annually—for riding a bicycle? Serious question.

For the most part these riders just want to get out there and race.
All the better if someone pays them to do it. It is the market (sponsors) who dictate what the value is to pay the team.
And once someone starts getting paid they want to be paid their 'worth'.

The riders are not entertainers per se, they are professionals in a sport - its the sport that is entertaining.

Another serious question:
Why am I supposed to care if it all just went away, say...tomorrow? Because I wouldn't. Not in the slightest. For entertainment value, there are still plenty of old races I could watch, repeatedly, that would entertain me. No different than listening to my favorite albums, for the umpteenth time. Still entertaining and inspiring.

With this implied fear that "there wouldn't be anyone left," my response is, So what?

Is there a valid answer to this?

Surprise me.

I am not sure if that was JVs point in that tweet - it appears he was reacting to the notion that getting rid of everyone with a past as some wish is not a viable solution, nor actually does it really have an affect on the problems.

If you are saying you wouldnt care if there was no Pro racing tomorrow - well, firstly I disagree.
It also seems that you look at the sport as solely entertainment. When sport is actually sport,ie a competition to test ability, endurance and tactics etc.

 

[sniper]

... how the flippin heck did he expect to have his team ready for the Tour de France by 2009?

whatever he did, he did it the right way.
managed to transform wiggins from a zero-tolerance trackracer into a lance-loving tour contender, all in that brief space of time.

 

[SundayRider]

whatever he did, he did it the right way.
managed to transform wiggins from a zero-tolerance trackracer into a lance-loving tour contender, all in that brief space of time.

Yeah it looks as if JV is the one who taught Wiggins what was needed to suceed at the very highest level.

 

[sniper]

Yeah it looks as if JV is the one who taught Wiggins what was needed to suceed at the very highest level.

fact is we see wiggo turn into a doper under jv's wing.
though i admittedly have no idea what role jv had (or did not have) in that transformation.

 

[SundayRider]

fact is we see wiggo turn into a doper under jv's wing.
though i admittedly have no idea what role jv had (or did not have) in that transformation.

Some posters think Wiggins always doped, not sure about that idea myself.