JV talks, sort of

[RichWalk]

RaceRadio to name one has been pretty spot on with his posting.

JV comes in here to chew the fat for a few posts and then leaves after dropping a few hints if those who hang on his posts are lucky.

Dont see the point of that. If JV coming here to post is to give the clinic some legitimacy in the real world, i dont see it having effect.

I'd rather he be a mole from within pro cycling and actually post stuff worth reading.

Perhaps JV's 'marginal gains' are being measured in terms of popularity and credibilty via his visits to sites such as this. Be interested to see him allude to this place elsewhere, 'conspiracy theorists or genuinely knowledgeble posters'

 

[JRTinMA]

Perhaps JV's 'marginal gains' are being measured in terms of popularity and credibilty via his visits to sites such as this. Be interested to see him allude to this place elsewhere, 'conspiracy theorists or genuinely knowledgeble posters'

He has in a tweet I believe, it was not complementary but pretty accurate. I believe he used the term circus.

 

[Kretch]

JV conveniently ignored that Wiggins won everything this year while at 95% peak!

And whilst I do believe JV is one of the (few) good guys, this is the bit that I can't reconcile. JV has commented on Wiggo 2009 tdf (insists that to the best of his knowledge he was clean) and Wiggo 2012 tdf (a clean performance possible given power numbers, poor competition, better mental shape and ideal parcours). However, he has side-stepped a number of times when asked how could Wiggo maintain such superior form over such a long period.

 

[JRTinMA]

Tilford talks

Steve Tilford comments on JV. If you don't regularly read his blog, you should, its brilliant 99% of the time.

http://stevetilford.com

EDIT - BTW, Scroll down a few posts, he commented again today on JV but it starts about a week ago.

or here - http://stevetilford.com/?p=21198

 

[Benotti69]

He has in a tweet I believe, it was not complementary but pretty accurate. I believe he used the term circus.

And yet you both continue to partake in said circus

 

[JRTinMA]

And yet you both continue to partake in said circus

Circuses are intended to be entertaining, I find this place entertaining.

 

[Benotti69]

Circuses are intended to be entertaining, I find this place entertaining.

I think you find it an entertaining place to troll.

 

[argyllflyer]

However, he has side-stepped a number of times when asked how could Wiggo maintain such superior form over such a long period.

He's hardly raced this year, cherry picking ones that mainly suited, and has spent two weeks in Tenerife living like a bike riding monk before each event he did enter to prepare.

 

[Benotti69]

He's hardly raced this year, cherry picking ones that mainly suited, and has spent two weeks in Tenerife living like an oxygen-tent dwelling monk before each event he did enter to prepare.

Yet won everything with apparent ease and did something no other rider has ever done before, Paris Nice, Romandie, Dauphine and TdF not inc Olympic TT! That tent must be good!

 

[AntiGravityCycling]

Hardly raced??? Raced enough to do something no other rider has ever done before!!

That is what has so many folks wondering, isn't it? From "track specialist" to "every road race he touches easily turns to gold". With the help of Dr. G. Leinders.

May be a new thread coming on here...

 

[JRTinMA]

http://www.bicycling.com/garmin-ins...ghters-reveals-more-about-his-doping-and-new-

Vaughters talks to Joe Lindsey

THe best part of this story is that JV used all the greatest doping excuses and lies in a single confession, brilliant!

1) I started doping to level the playing field, just to get back to normal. (the level playing field myth)
2) I thought a lot about doping but didn't dope (Basso)
3) When I finally did give in and dope I did it once and quit (Dekker)

 

[hrotha]

THe best part of this story is that JV used all the greatest doping excuses and lies in a single confession, brilliant!

1) I started doping to level the playing field, just to get back to normal. (the level playing field myth)
2) I thought a lot about doping but didn't dope (Basso)
3) When I finally did give in and dope I did it once and quit (Dekker)

Your reading comprehension is severely lacking. You got all 3 points wrong.

 

[Avoriaz]

Yet won everything with apparent ease and did something no other rider has ever done before, Paris Nice, Romandie, Dauphine and TdF not inc Olympic TT! That tent must be good!

That's true. But before it becomes an unassailable feat, do you know whether anyone has ridden all those to win previously - and not other races - e.g. P-N clashes with T-A, Romandie used to at least clash with 4 Days of Dunkirk, some did DL while others did for example Tour de Suisse. Also, they may have ridden other races in between. Wiggins didn't.

It is possible that others have done a similar combination.

To win four stage races in a year is not an impossible feat and probably (I say that as I haven't checked) has been done before.

You may also want to note that he won P-N by 8", Romandie by 12", DL by 1'17" (DL aside, hardly in dominant fashion and all down to TTs). Also, all three of those week long races had two TTs in them. If that didn't favour him against the opposition, I'm not sure what would. Your "apparent ease" would surely run to minutes

And who did he beat: in P-N it was Westra, in Romandie it was Talansky. Not quite (yet, at least) the spike of the dart is it?

 

[thehog]

That's true. But before it becomes an unassailable feat, do you know whether anyone has ridden all those to win previously - and not other races - e.g. P-N clashes with T-A, Romandie used to at least clash with 4 Days of Dunkirk, some did DL while others did for example Tour de Suisse. Also, they may have ridden other races in between. Wiggins didn't.

It is possible that others have done a similar combination.

To win four stage races in a year is not an impossible feat and probably (I say that as I haven't checked) has been done before.

You may also want to note that he won P-N by 8", Romandie by 12", DL by 1'17" (DL aside, hardly in dominant fashion and all down to TTs). Also, all three of those week long races had two TTs in them. If that didn't favour him against the opposition, I'm not sure what would. Your "apparent ease" would surely run to minutes

And who did he beat: in P-N it was Westra, in Romandie it was Talansky. Not quite (yet, at least) the spike of the dart is it?

Minutes in a one week stage race? Think you've been smokin" some of Wiggo's gear.

They were all smashing dominate wins. Heck he even won a sprint at Romandie!

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Update on our friend Inigo San Millan:
http://nyvelocity.com/content/coachingfitness/2005/coaching-profile-iñigo-san-millán

So, Vitalicio, ONCE, Vini Caldirola, Saunier Duval, Astana, Garmin?
Is that the sequence?

Well JV, can you find a dodgier doc than that? Why not just hire Pepe Marti.

In this time, I have had the privilege of working with many world class cyclists like Joseba Beloki, Abraham Olano, Igor Glez de Galdeano, Chris Horner, Fred Rodriguez, Jörg Jackshe, Perdiguero, Piepoli...and many others.

I say a big fat thumbs up for our forum friend Jonathan Vaughters! The pro - clean cycling Judas.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Update on our friend Inigo San Millan:
http://nyvelocity.com/content/coachingfitness/2005/coaching-profile-iñigo-san-millán

So, Vitalicio, ONCE, Vini Caldirola, Saunier Duval, Astana, Garmin?
Is that the sequence?

Well JV, can you find a dodgier doc than that? Why not just hire Pepe Marti.



I say a big fat thumbs up for our forum friend Jonathan Vaughters! The pro - clean cycling Judas.

Am I correct in saying that the only link you have to doping by ISM is the teams that he has worked on?
If so, some more reading for you:

AS: Were you concerned that someone was going to sully your reputation? That one of your riders was going to do something illegal and ruin your good name?

ISM: Oh yeah! Of course that's a big concern. Because all the cases you're seeing recently, all the riders being caught were working outside the team, but to the general public they were in the team. So yeah, that's a major concern. I've never been with a team with a positive case, but when I left Saunier Duval, they had a positive with Mayo. And then when I quit Astana, knowing that was an accident waiting to happen, a few months later, Vinokourov and Kashechkin.

I was always very concerned about that, that creates stress, 'cause it can hurt your reputation. That's something that anybody in the ProTour can tell you, that people are very stressed about this. So that's why it's even more important to control everything within the team and provide the riders with nutrional advice, phsiological advice, testing, so they don't have to worry about anything else. The education part is really important as well.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Am I correct in saying that the only link you have to doping by ISM is the teams that he has worked on?
If so, some more reading for you:

I do not want to be a DBag but in my opinion you now are just a Jonathan Vaughters 'I believe in Garmins' Clean Cycling Myth' groopie with statements like that.

Just look at the teams mister Millan worked with. Wake up dude. Don't buy the bs you are sold. Conconi was the headmaster at the IOC ffs, till someone figured out how dirty it all was. Still muchos gracias a mister Donati from Italy!

But of course, all those teams mister Millan worked for were just a coincidence, he did not see anything at ONCE et all. U know what? I am just gessing Johan Bruyneel also didn't see anything on Once! He is as innocent as hell!.

Vitalicio Seguros
Once
Vini Caldirola
Saunier Duval
Astana
Garmin

Believe what u want to believe, I don't care. I smell $hit when I see $hit, do you?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I do not want to be a DBag but in my opinion you now are just a Jonathan Vaughters 'I believe in Garmins' Clean Cycling Myth' groopie with statements like that.

Just look at the teams mister Millan worked with. Wake up dude. Don't buy the bs you are sold. Conconi was the headmaster at the IOC ffs, till someone figured out how dirty it all was. Still muchos gracias a mister Donati from Italy!

But of course, all those teams mister Millan worked for were just a coincidence, he did not see anything at ONCE et all. U know what? I am just gessing Johan Bruyneel also didn't see anything on Once! He is as innocent as hell!.

Vitalicio Seguros
Once
Vini Caldirola
Saunier Duval
Astana
Garmin

So, the answer was that the only link you have is the teams he worked for.

I
Believe what u want to believe, I don't care. I smell $hit when I see $hit, do you?

If you don't care what I think, then why ask me?
Cycling is a cesspool - everyone comes out smelling of it.

 

[hrotha]

To be fair, ISM did imply he saw some stuff he didn't like at Astana.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

So, the answer was that the only link you have is the teams he worked for.

Gonna stick with that crappy response?

Indeed, working with I quote again and then I will translate it for you

Joseba Beloki, Abraham Olano, Igor Glez de Galdeano, Chris Horner, Fred Rodriguez, Jörg Jackshe, Perdiguero, Piepoli

Now, there is a list to be proud of!

JV fan, admit it doc.

Nothing wrong with that, just want to give you some notes as how cleanish his team really was/is.

To be fair, ISM did imply he saw some stuff he didn't like at Astana.

He never saw anything at Once or Vitalicio?

Please.

 

[JRTinMA]

Your reading comprehension is severely lacking. You got all 3 points wrong.

If you expected him to spell it out for you then you are the one with blinders or reading comp issues, do you understand PR explaining why he doped?

Nunez: “You know, Jonathan, I’ve been thinking about this, and we aren’t going to dope you. But we think that because you’re training so hard, that we want to make sure we keep your red-cell count the same as it was at the beginning of the season, when you came from Colorado fresh.”

Vaughters: “OK, sounds good.”

Nunez: “There’s going to be some medication that we’ll use to make sure that happens.”

Vaughters: “OK.”

(The level playing field myth)

If you want me to show you the last two let me know.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Gonna stick with that crappy response?

Yes - and you are entitled to your view, as I am to mine.

Indeed, working with I quote again and then I will translate it for you

Now, there is a list to be proud of!

Have you anything else on the guy?

JV fan, admit it doc.

Nothing wrong with that, just want to give you some notes as how cleanish his team really was/is.

He never saw anything at Once or Vitalicio?

Please.

Im neither fan or foe of JV.

I judge thinks on there merits - if I associated everyone with which team they worked for it would make it easier to make conclusions.

 

[hrotha]

If you expected him to spell it out for you then you are the one with blinders or reading comp issues, do you understand PR explaining why he doped?

Nunez: “You know, Jonathan, I’ve been thinking about this, and we aren’t going to dope you. But we think that because you’re training so hard, that we want to make sure we keep your red-cell count the same as it was at the beginning of the season, when you came from Colorado fresh.”

Vaughters: “OK, sounds good.”

Nunez: “There’s going to be some medication that we’ll use to make sure that happens.”

Vaughters: “OK.”

(The level playing field myth)

If you want me to show you the last two let me know.

Yes, and then he spent the greater part of a NYT article arguing against the level playing field myth.

 

[Kender]

Yes, and then he spent the greater part of a NYT article arguing against the level playing field myth.

that was because the first quote came from when he first started doping and was a position put to him by someone he saw as above reproach (guy who talks to god 4 times a day)

later on when he was more experienced with the doping scene he explains the level playing field myth

 

[Kretch]

They were all smashing dominate wins. Heck he even won a sprint at Romandie!

Spot on hog and that sprint was simply amazing - he just burned everyone off with 400m to go!

I suspect that a factor in deciding not to take the World ITT as well is maybe they realise that they've nudged over the credible line. The way he finished the Olympic TT as fresh as a daisy, while everyone else, including a slumped over Martin, was completely knackered was stunning - he could of kept going for another 44 kms at the same speed FFS!