JV talks, sort of

[JimmyFingers]

If Sky were cheating would he say it? No of course not. Be cutting his nose off the spite his face.

The sport knew what Armstrong was up to but accepted it because they believed it would be good for the sport financially. They could think that Murdoch taking an interest in this minority sport will bring in the readies and make it more global.

I agree, he wouldn't. But I did see someone who had to field a load of crap about someone else's team, one he's actually in competition with, when he came here to talk. So he left. So an opportunity spurned. That is my point, is all

 

[JV1973]

JV, do your riders warm down? Are they professionals?

Yes, but you'd be amazed at how few riders do. I'd say maybe 10% of the peloton cools down, while the rest just jump on the bus straight after the sprint. Cycling sometimes is so backwards it amazes me.

 

[thehog]

Yes, but you'd be amazed at how few riders do. I'd say maybe 10% of the peloton cools down, while the rest just jump on the bus straight after the sprint. Cycling sometimes is so backwards it amazes me.

What's the scoop on Tenerife?

New bastion of clean cycling? Or drug-paradise hideaway?

 

[Catwhoorg]

JV,

whats Ryders race program look like before the Giro defense ? (if you would be willing to share of course)

I am a little surprised not to have seen him at any race so far this season.

 

[Benotti69]

JV, do your riders warm down? Are they professionals?

Do they bring their own pillows...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Doc, but that is the issue. The fact that he cannot say these things in public is exactly the point. If cycling were, in fact, cleaner, this would not be an issue. A DS could speak freely. But we know it's not the case.

I don't blame the guy for being quiet, that's how the business works. But that doesn't mean that cycling fans are going to accept the status quo.

No Moose, no
It's not about clean or unclean, it's about power.

JV (or anyone else) cannot be too critical of PMcQ or indeed the system. What we have learned over the last 6 months is just how imbedded and vindictive McQ is, anyone with a bit of humility would step down, Pats looking for reelection.
Anybody goes against him could find their 'paperwork is not in order'.

As for Sky, unless JV knows 100% who is doing what, he cannot say - and Pro Cycling has always been a hotbed for rumours.

Bizarre that when the clinic has an opportunity to talk with someone who as much influence and insider knowledge as JV and it's wasted by sneering constantly about Sky. Not his team, not his problem.

It is not bizarre at all. A team has been very dominant, with dodgy people behind it and it looks the opposite of clean cycling which JV wants.
I know you don't want to see that, but that's exactly how it is. Would you complain if Astana/BMC were doing what Sky was and peeps asked JV to reconcile it? <rhetorical>

 

[blackcat]

JV, do your riders warm down? Are they professionals?

hehehhehhee

 

[Escarabajo]

Actually, this point...

Don't stop JV. Actually you are one of the few who have the guts to face us. I appreciate that a lot. And it is good also that everybody write why they think Sky is suspicious. Nothing wrong with that either.

 

[DirtyWorks]

It is not bizarre at all. A team has been very dominant, with dodgy people behind it and it looks the opposite of clean cycling

And, like USPS/USA Cycling, Sky is a commercial extension of the national cycling federation. Meaning, the federation that's supposed to regulate athlete doping has every incentive to enforce nothing. I'm not even including probable corruption at the UCI either.

 

[Benotti69]

Yes, but you'd be amazed at how few riders do. I'd say maybe 10% of the peloton cools down, while the rest just jump on the bus straight after the sprint. Cycling sometimes is so backwards it amazes me.

I watched all your boys jump on the bus after T-A chieti stage 2012.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

And, like USPS/USA Cycling, Sky is a commercial extension of the national cycling federation. Meaning, the federation that's supposed to regulate athlete doping has every incentive to enforce nothing. I'm not even including probable corruption at the UCI either.

No, see this goes too far.
UKAD look after anti-doping in the UK. They are separate.
And most of the Sky Pro's live in mainland Europe, and all spend most of the time training and racing there.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

No, see this goes too far.
UKAD look after anti-doping in the UK. They are separate.
And most of the Sky Pro's live in mainland Europe, and all spend most of the time training and racing there.

So, UKAD does not testing. We agree on that part

I agree on Hein on this part, testing is a joke.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I watched all your boys jump on the bus after T-A chieti stage 2012.

Good for you. And your point?

Did JV say all his riders, at every single race ever warm down?

You have the GM of a team here - and the only thing you bring up is mind numbing pointless drivel, it shows that you are not even interested in any discussion or topic, just trying to point score (yet failing at that too) because it is a known person.
Completely pathetic and undervalues genuine questions about anti-doping.

 

[Benotti69]

Good for you. And your point?

Did JV say all his riders, at every single race ever warm down?

So the next day was the queen stage and it wasn't important to warm down after a tough stage like Chieti?

Why dont you let JV answer instead of being his poodle?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Good for you. And your point?

Did JV say all his riders, at every single race ever warm down?

You have the GM of a team here - and the only thing you bring up is mind numbing pointless drivel, it shows that you are not even interested in any discussion or topic, just trying to point score (yet failing at that too) because it is a known person.
Completely pathetic and undervalues genuine questions about anti-doping.

Nitpicking doc. Some say cooling down is a must, some say cooling down is BS, as in massage is WAY more important. Same with altitude training; science is not yet ready to a stance on those two.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

So the next day was the queen stage and it wasn't important to warm down after a tough stage like Chieti?

Why dont you let JV answer instead of being his poodle?

What has that to with anti-doping? Tell me?
Isn't that what you are here for- isn't that what you fiercely stand up for and show no mercy for.

And you want to talk about why some Pro riders didn't warm down.
You want to waste the time of a GM to answer it even though any rider will tell you the last thing they want to do is bloody well warm
Warm bus or warm down - you want someone to explain it to you?

 

[Benotti69]

What has that to with anti-doping? Tell me?
Isn't that what you are here for- isn't that what you fiercely stand up for and show no mercy for.

And you want to talk about why some Pro riders didn't warm down.
You want to waste the time of a GM to answer it even though any rider will tell you the last thing they want to do is bloody well warm
Warm bus or warm down - you want someone to explain it to you?

Bark bark.

I'll let JV the professional team owner of a pro cycling team answer.

It wasn't that cold in Chieti. The Busses were parked in a nice big Piazza out of any wind. Weather doesn't affect pros and spinning for 20 mins warm down will keep them warm.

Keep barking for JV.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Nitpicking doc. Some say cooling down is a must, some say cooling down is BS, as in massage is WAY more important. Same with altitude training; science is not yet ready to a stance on those two.

Not nitpicking - "some people"?? Who,where?
Did JV say everyone does it all the time? No - so why did Benotti bring it up?
Because he is (attempting to) nitpick - and quite frankly that pathetic.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Bark bark.

I'll let JV the professional team owner of a pro cycling team answer.

It wasn't that cold in Chieti. The Busses were parked in a nice big Piazza out of any wind. Weather doesn't affect pros and spinning for 20 mins warm down will keep them warm.

Keep barking for JV.

No one wants to warm down. No one.

And again, rather than your pathetic personal stuff - what has any of this to do with anti-doping?

Let me be clear - guys like you and sniper do more harm for genuine anti-doping people who have genuine questions or solutions to ask someone on the inside.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Not nitpicking - "some people"?? Who,where?
Did JV say everyone does it all the time? No - so why did Benotti bring it up?
Because he is (attempting to) nitpick - and quite frankly that pathetic.

Sorry, both nitpicking

Do not forget the rest of my post. Cooling down is not a certainty...

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Yes, but you'd be amazed at how few riders do. I'd say maybe 10% of the peloton cools down, while the rest just jump on the bus straight after the sprint. Cycling sometimes is so backwards it amazes me.

Marginal gains. Amazing that so many riders forget the little things that Sky remembers to do. It's what makes them so "professional", no doubt. Maybe that's what Wiggins meant when he left for Sky.

 

[Benotti69]

No one wants to warm down. No one.

And again, rather than your pathetic personal stuff - what has any of this to do with anti-doping?

Let me be clear - guys like you and sniper do more harm for genuine anti-doping people who have genuine questions or solutions to ask someone on the inside.

I would warm down if it meant the legs would feel better the next day. Sorry but that is called being a pro. Plenty understand that.

Keep up with the personal attacks.

JV is not affecting a clean sport. He talks the talk but does not walk the walk for a clean sport. He cant. He should do what he can with out the fanfare. You cannot be on the inside and affet change in a sport that with the current inhabitants will not allow it. Soon as he puts his head above the parapet he better have solids otherwise he gets flak.

Just becuase I dont accept what I am told by those in the sport that has lied to me for years and years means I should roll over at the 1st current guy talking of change. Nope not going to have that. I dont see anything that has changed greatly. I dont see any big punishments apart from Ricco. Armstrong was retired. So to me it looks like business as usual.

As the clinic is nowt but an echo chamber for 12 guys, I wouldn't be worried about my esteemed colleague, the right hon Mr Sniper and another anonymous no one calling it as they see it. According to you we are a minority of the minority.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

As the clinic is nowt but an echo chamber for 12 guys, I wouldn't be worried about my esteemed colleague, the right hon Mr Sniper and another anonymous no one calling it as they see it. According to you we are a minority of the minority.

Antoine is not anonymous, but, hey, he did try to contact masterdopestrong.

You are debating each other, Benotti, you should know by now there is now way in hell you will be satisfied with a debate with the nitpicking champion on the whole of the friggin' internet. My compliments for that doc. U are the champ.

Just saying.

On the cooling down: red herring, everybody knows. If you believe in it okay, but, please, do not insult 50% of science.

PS: Riis and Indurain cooled down in the middle of the night

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I would warm down if it meant the legs would feel better the next day. Sorry but that is called being a pro. Plenty understand that.

I thought your mantra was that warming down was a fallacy - which is it?

Keep up with the personal attacks.

JV is not affecting a clean sport. He talks the talk but does not walk the walk for a clean sport. He cant. He should do what he can with out the fanfare. You cannot be on the inside and affet change in a sport that with the current inhabitants will not allow it. Soon as he puts his head above the parapet he better have solids otherwise he gets flak.

Just becuase I dont accept what I am told by those in the sport that has lied to me for years and years means I should roll over at the 1st current guy talking of change. Nope not going to have that. I dont see anything that has changed greatly. I dont see any big punishments apart from Ricco. Armstrong was retired. So to me it looks like business as usual.

As the clinic is nowt but an echo chamber for 12 guys, I wouldn't be worried about my esteemed colleague, the right hon Mr Sniper and another anonymous no one calling it as they see it. According to you we are a minority of the minority.

No, you don't need to roll over and accept what someone says.

But you don't do that - you want him to address a point about warming Dow that he did not even say? Seriously?

 

[Benotti69]

I thought your mantra was that warming down was a fallacy - which is it?

Yes, but you'd be amazed at how few riders do. I'd say maybe 10% of the peloton cools down, while the rest just jump on the bus straight after the sprint. Cycling sometimes is so backwards it amazes me.

No, you don't need to roll over and accept what someone says.

But you don't do that - you want him to address a point about warming Dow that he did not even say? Seriously?

Seriously? see above.

So it is backwards not to warm down? JV says so. I asked him why his riders didn't?

Why dont you let him answer?