JV talks, sort of

[Benotti69]

I didn't expect anything really. Thought it might be of interest.

Fair enough.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Passive aggressive is the new argyle.

 

[Benotti69]

Passive aggressive is the new argyle.

a life dedicated to passive aggressive.............

 

[D-Queued]

JV has tweeted re Magni

@Vaughters: http://t.co/LF9L7ZtfkB ...love this "chose to leave...."..Yah... Riiiiight....

This is odd. And, I don't typically criticize JV directly, but this is bad form.

JV at this point is a seasoned employer, and has been pursuing an MBA.

For various reasons, it isn't 'sporting' to say anything publicly - directly or indirectly - about the terms of severance.

One such reason is related to 'restraint of trade'.

As a past employer it is not in your best interests to say or do anything that would restrict a former employee from finding a new job and pursuing their trade.

I am sure that there is tons of case law on this. But, it is kind of basic HR policy.

Given how small the pro peloton is, this is minimally just kind of weird.

Dave.

 

[Granville57]

Given how small the pro peloton is, this is minimally just kind of weird.

JV often says things that are surprising and unexpected for someone in his position. And those comments can often provide some interesting perspective when one reads between the lines. It doesn't have to be about believing JV, but simply taking note of his comments and adding them to the overall tapestry.

Which is why I always rallied for an environment here that would encourage JV to post, as to opposed to what eventually transpired.

This was/is often confused with my endorsement of all-things-JV. But that's not the case. If the guy has something to say, I'd just as soon let him say it.

But attacking his every word and deed has done little to sustain that flow of info/gossip...as evidenced by this thread itself.

 

[D-Queued]

JV often says things that are surprising and unexpected for someone in his position. And those comments can often provide some interesting perspective when one reads between the lines. It doesn't have to be about believing JV, but simply taking note of his comments and adding them to the overall tapestry.

Which is why I always rallied for an environment here that would encourage JV to post, as to opposed to what eventually transpired.

This was/is often confused with my endorsement of all-things-JV. But that's not the case. If the guy has something to say, I'd just as soon let him say it.

But attacking his every word and deed has done little to sustain that flow of info/gossip...as evidenced by this thread itself.

Yes, well stated.

Dave.

 

[Archibald]

It would appear to be more related to the reunion between Magli and Nibali. Clean cycling, and all that.

and yet he achieved both Giro and Tour at Astana without him... why would he want to go back?

 

[ralphbert]

and yet he achieved both Giro and Tour at Astana without him... why would he want to go back?

Maybe his prescription just ran out

 

[Benotti69]

.........

But attacking his every word and deed has done little to sustain that flow of info/gossip...as evidenced by this thread itself.

JV gave nothing to the clinic, except 2 slips of his ego about 2 riders that CN ran a story on.

Apart from that JV played the clinic to suit himself. He was not coming here to enlighten us with insider information. Raceradio and others have given infinitely more insider information than JV.

 

[Netserk]

JV gave nothing to the clinic, except 2 slips of his ego about 2 riders that CN ran a story on.

Apart from that JV played the clinic to suit himself. He was not coming here to enlighten us with insider information. Raceradio and others have given infinitely more insider information than JV.

Still better than nothing, right?

Like what we get from any other manager out there...

 

[Benotti69]

Still better than nothing, right?

Like what we get from any other manager out there...

I dont know of any other managers out there with the gall to pronounce they have dedicated their life to anti doping and JV coming to 'hang out' in the clinic was part of his 'schtick'.....

JV is so anti doping he told no one about Hesjedal, Rasmussen had to tell us.

 

[Netserk]

I dont know of any other managers out there with the gall to pronounce they have dedicated their life to anti doping and JV coming to 'hang out' in the clinic was part of his 'schtick'.....

JV is so anti doping he told no one about Hesjedal, Rasmussen had to tell us.

Do you prefer he never writes here again?

 

[Benotti69]

Do you prefer he never writes here again?

I prefer if he takes the trouble to post in the clinic that it is worthwhile and informative rather than an extension of the fluff he tweets.

 

[sniper]

JV often says things that are surprising and unexpected for someone in his position. And those comments can often provide some interesting perspective when one reads between the lines. It doesn't have to be about believing JV, but simply taking note of his comments and adding them to the overall tapestry.

Which is why I always rallied for an environment here that would encourage JV to post, as to opposed to what eventually transpired.

This was/is often confused with my endorsement of all-things-JV. But that's not the case. If the guy has something to say, I'd just as soon let him say it.

But attacking his every word and deed has done little to sustain that flow of info/gossip...as evidenced by this thread itself.

that's exactly what JV aspires.
comes in here spilling some small beans that he knows he can spill without damaging his team.
Tries to get some quazi-skeptic posters on his hand.
And yes, it is about believing him.
Many have chosen to believe him for the simple fact that he comes in here.
No doubt he anticipated that.
Meanwhile we've heard nothing of substance from him on truly urgent doping matters.
Previously sceptic posters who really dug hard on Lance and USPS are now paying lipservice to JV and Hesjedal and so are guys like David Walsh and many others.
He's slowly but surely dragging everybody into maintaining that cycling has changed. New era. blabla.
Meanwhile he's not propelling the real change that cycling needs. He's happy how it is as long as nobody on his team gets caught.
Let's not beat around the bush just for the sake of JV posting in here.

 

[Netserk]

I prefer if he takes the trouble to post in the clinic that it is worthwhile and informative rather than an extension of the fluff he tweets.

So of the two choices:
A: He posts as he has done here before
B: He doesn't post here
You'd prefer B over A?

 

[D-Queued]

that's exactly what JV aspires.
comes in here spilling some small beans that he knows he can spill without damaging his team.
Tries to get some quazi-skeptic posters on his hand.
And yes, it is about believing him.
Many have chosen to believe him for the simple fact that he comes in here.
No doubt he anticipated that.
Meanwhile we've heard nothing of substance from him on truly urgent doping matters.
Previously sceptic posters who really dug hard on Lance and USPS are now paying lipservice to JV and Hesjedal and so are guys like David Walsh and many others.
He's slowly but surely dragging everybody into maintaining that cycling has changed. New era. blabla.
Meanwhile he's not propelling the real change that cycling needs. He's happy how it is as long as nobody on his team gets caught.
Let's not beat around the bush just for the sake of JV posting in here.

Where were you when Floyd and Will were promoting their BS on DPF?

Now that deserved far more critical response and from far more people than it received.

Dave.

 

[sniper]

question not directed at me, but if i may:
Nobody's keeping JV from posting in here.
Does answer A mean we have to indulge his agenda?
I think in the Clinic agendas deserve to be tackled.
Should we really pamper him just so he comes back here to post?
He's putting himself on a mightily high horse by suggesting he's dedicated his life to antidoping. He should be prepared to deliver.
If he doesn't deliver, he should be prepared to take flack.
Netserk, youy seem to be suggesting we should start cutting JV slack so that he comes back here to post some small beans and a lot of insults.

 

[blackcat]

Where were you when Floyd and Will were promoting their BS on DPF?

Now that deserved far more critical response and from far more people than it received.

Dave.

argh... Will Geoghagen was pretty funny, so was Arnie Baker, he replied to a post I made with a threatening subtext, and I sent him a pm said I assumed it was him and his handle was but sockpuppet, and told him what I was aware of. That sockpuppet never posted again. I suppose he needed to get his cokebottle lenses attuned

the conversation with Landis I had in Geelong he managed to disabuse the anecdote of the hog pouring his blood down the faucet(sic) of some Francois hotel

#ArnieBakerftw
the good dr

 

[Benotti69]

So of the two choices:
A: He posts as he has done here before
B: He doesn't post here
You'd prefer B over A?

JV can do as he so chooses.

I dont much care for the majority of what he has posted. I will still call him out on his so called dedication to anti-doping......

He still reads here of that i am sure.

I prefer that if he is going to contribute, it is worthwhile to fans and offers as real insiders view and knowledge.

When JV has been questioned in here on some important aspects of the sport relating to him and his team he mostly obfuscated, just wrote babble or abused posters.

 

[DirtyWorks]

So of the two choices:
A: He posts as he has done here before
B: He doesn't post here
You'd prefer B over A?

What's the point of him posting if it's half-true PR? I'm not asking for perfect truth either.

JV's messaging is brilliant and it appears the UCI has finally caught on when they granted him the Cannondale merger.

 

[blackcat]

What's the point of him posting if it's half-true PR? I'm not asking for perfect truth either.

JV's messaging is brilliant and it appears the UCI has finally caught on.

limited hangout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout

 

[DirtyWorks]

limited hangout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout

I agree.

It's the idea that participants should be nice so as not to chase JV away including tolerating his double-speak without question. JV is *far* smarter than I and therefore does not need hand holding.

 

[blackcat]

JV can do as he so chooses.

I dont much care for the majority of what he has posted. I will still call him out on his so called dedication to anti-doping......

He still reads here of that i am sure.

I prefer that if he is going to contribute, it is worthwhile to fans and offers as real insiders view and knowledge.

When JV has been questioned in here on some important aspects of the sport relating to him and his team he mostly obfuscated, just wrote babble or abused posters.

I dont mind JV anymore.

I can ascertain "a" truth. My truth is pretty similar, or exactly the same to yours Benotti69.

I think he denied it before, but JV is definitely a politician. I remember him saying Doug Ellis was bullish when he was doing the TIACreff super funds sponsor div 3 amateur team around Europe, and DEllis had his Wall Street money from his bloombergish info systems work, and DEllis wanted to put the money in and take Slipstream and TIAACref or TIACref to July and Amaury. I reckon that might have been a bit of BS, and JV, ambitious as he is, hit up DEllis to be patron for the team, and sold him on the vision. DEllis I remember referring to Levi as Levi and the first name basis, but DEllis was not shooting the $hit on an interwebz forum, he was a team principal. Seemed like he was just another groupie with deep pockets that JV had managed to lock in. mid life crisis?

Nah, JV is ok, but he is def on the make. And if people want to swallow the Bernays PR holus bolus, so be it. they would be in the majority with their belief, so more power to them in that herd mentality.

But JV cant hurt, he is spruiking a realism, and the sport jumped the shark a long while back

 

[blackcat]

I dont mind JV anymore.

I can ascertain "a" truth. My truth is pretty similar, or exactly the same to yours Benotti69.

I think he denied it before, but JV is definitely a politician. I remember him saying Doug Ellis was bullish when he was doing the TIACreff super funds sponsor div 3 amateur team around Europe, and DEllis had his Wall Street money from his bloombergish info systems work, and DEllis wanted to put the money in and take Slipstream and TIAACref or TIACref to July and Amaury. I reckon that might have been a bit of BS, and JV, ambitious as he is, hit up DEllis to be patron for the team, and sold him on the vision. DEllis I remember referring to Levi as Levi and the first name basis, but DEllis was not shooting the $hit on an interwebz forum, he was a team principal. Seemed like he was just another groupie with deep pockets that JV had managed to lock in. mid life crisis?

Nah, JV is ok, but he is def on the make. And if people want to swallow the Bernays PR holus bolus, so be it. they would be in the majority with their belief, so more power to them in that herd mentality.

But JV cant hurt, he is spruiking a realism, and the sport jumped the shark a long while back

* my "a" truth

"a" truth.

I dont deign to know the insider truth. Cos I aint, werent, will never be, an insider, indeed, my grammar needs work.

But, I did not have to read all the Lance books over the last 24 months. I did not need to read Macur, or O'Connell nor Albergotti. The salacious element, factual they were, were only white noise. I have a much better clarity, a meta truth, the overarching narrative. Anyone following the escapade over the last decade and followed Betsy and Race Radio under his various handles on other fora, did not need to read individual tidbits.

But just because I did not know the anecdotes on motoman, does not mean my truth about this embroglio was invalidated. Those journalists had a different market when the publishers put it into print.

 

[D-Queued]

argh... Will Geoghagen was pretty funny, so was Arnie Baker, he replied to a post I made with a threatening subtext, and I sent him a pm said I assumed it was him and his handle was but sockpuppet, and told him what I was aware of. That sockpuppet never posted again. I suppose he needed to get his cokebottle lenses attuned

the conversation with Landis I had in Geelong he managed to disabuse the anecdote of the hog pouring his blood down the faucet(sic) of some Francois hotel

#ArnieBakerftw
the good dr

Ah, the good old days.

As you likely recall, I took Will on because he was posting nonsense. At the time, I had no idea who he was. His assertions had no substance, though.

Had I known who he was, I am not sure if I would have been so willing to engage him. Funny that.

Whoever the poster, the best strategy is always to try and understand where they are coming from. If it is BS, then it should be pretty obvious and deserves being called on.

But, the Forum rules are good ones. Debate the post, and don't focus on the person.

There seems to be some 'already listening' attitudes here, however. It is not surprising that JV isn't posting anymore. If it were me, I would not have had the patience he did to face such hostility anytime he showed up.

Dave.