Kimmage interviews Floyd Landis: Sunday Times + Bombshell NYVC transcript [merged]

[Benotti69]

23rd Jan
cath: I reserve severe profanity for occasions such as this,for which I apologise,but Landis,you are a vindictive poisonous little ****.There.
I shan't be swearing again severely,instead I shall christen the dogs' turds as Floyds, or Landii. Can't decide.
little cretin accused Brad of cheating.I'm not wasting any more time thinking about the vile little lying ***.

31st Jan
cath: I don't love him, I wish the little rat would go away

dim:but things arent going to change for the better as long as we continue to hide the past and pretend doping isnt an issue :/
maybe floyd isnt the best way to do it, but something needs to be done. Surely the truth coming out and the dopers being chucked out of cycling will benefit the clean riders... Wont it. Doesnt brad feel ****ed that hes lost races to cheats? Surely if armstrong doped in 2009 then he took a podium place off of your husband? I was in Paris that day. If Lance doped then the fans and @bradwiggins had the joy of a british podium taken from them
Im ****ing angry now. Surely the clean riders, their families and the fans should want the truth to come out! Going for a cup of tea. :/

cath: Seriously? Oh my ****ing GOD you were in Paris that day? You must be feeling awful now I can't imagine.

dim:just saying. If landis is telling the truth shouldnt the anger be directed at lance and other dopers. im shutting up now.

should this be a separate thread as i would like it to get a bit more discussion, but not here as it will detract from this thread...

 

[131313]

Its strange that some people say that Landis is only doing this because he’s hit rock bottom and there’s nothing left – no options. Of course that’s why he’s doing it. And there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s the realisation that there is no other option to him now – he’s setting himself free before he moves on.

Agree, completely. Would it be more honorable if a guy like Hincapie came out with the exact same story as Floyd? Sure it would. But instead we get stuff like this from cycling's Forrest Gump: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hincapie-unsure-of-long-term-impact-of-doping-controversy

That doesn't really make any of Floyd's story less true, though. Everyone seems to want another Jerome Chiotti. Good luck with that.

 

[thehog]

23rd Jan
cath: I reserve severe profanity for occasions such as this,for which I apologise,but Landis,you are a vindictive poisonous little ****.There.
I shan't be swearing again severely,instead I shall christen the dogs' turds as Floyds, or Landii. Can't decide.
little cretin accused Brad of cheating.I'm not wasting any more time thinking about the vile little lying ***.

31st Jan
cath: I don't love him, I wish the little rat would go away

dim:but things arent going to change for the better as long as we continue to hide the past and pretend doping isnt an issue :/
maybe floyd isnt the best way to do it, but something needs to be done. Surely the truth coming out and the dopers being chucked out of cycling will benefit the clean riders... Wont it. Doesnt brad feel ****ed that hes lost races to cheats? Surely if armstrong doped in 2009 then he took a podium place off of your husband? I was in Paris that day. If Lance doped then the fans and @bradwiggins had the joy of a british podium taken from them
Im ****ing angry now. Surely the clean riders, their families and the fans should want the truth to come out! Going for a cup of tea. :/

cath: Seriously? Oh my ****ing GOD you were in Paris that day? You must be feeling awful now I can't imagine.

dim:just saying. If landis is telling the truth shouldnt the anger be directed at lance and other dopers. im shutting up now.

Nice going. To be honest Wiggins threw the first punch.

He could have defended Lance but to call Landis a drunk was very poor form. Especially with Wiggins record for turning up to races hungover!

The stupid thing is that Wiggins knows better than we do who dopes. He’d have to be stupid to think Lance was clean. He’s taking the p!ss by saying any different. But I like the previous poster can only draw one conclusion from the Brad’s statements. He was ensuring that he got the UCI protection by holding the party line.

 

[flicker]

Agree, completely. Would it be more honorable if a guy like Hincapie came out with the exact same story as Floyd? Sure it would. But instead we get stuff like this from cycling's Forrest Gump: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hincapie-unsure-of-long-term-impact-of-doping-controversy

That doesn't really make any of Floyd's story less true, though. Everyone seems to want another Jerome Chiotti. Good luck with that.

I think we can ausume that Mr. Hincapie is not only an exceptional athlete, good looking, a stud, loving father/husband, but also a "product."

If you are looking for some revealing reading from Big George you will be waiting a long, long time.

After all, he was on the cover of BICYCLING magazine last month and he has a big future in his apparel business.

 

[131313]

Remember that McQuaid won it by actually making trips. The guy campaigned. He traded horses with the voters.

Well, it's hard to travel when you don't know where to go...

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/riders/2005/interviews/?id=sylvia_schenk05a

"But Schenk claims that neither Singh or Moreno were given the contact details of the delegates for their electoral campaign, whereas McQuaid is being supported by the UCI and Verbruggen.

"It just cannot be that a Federation finances one of the candidates to the presidency, when there are in fact three candidates," Schenk told us. "That never happens anywhere. The other two candidates were not even given the addresses of the electoral delegates (for lobbying) whereas Verbruggen mailed all of them saying they should vote for McQuaid," she alleges."

 

[BotanyBay]

I think the key is he’s not throwing anyone under a bus. He’s just telling it like it is. By not giving a name makes the story sound like innuendo or mere rumour. I think he lost the will to protect people long ago. If anything cycling tossed Landis under a bus.

Its strange that some people say that Landis is only doing this because he’s hit rock bottom and there’s nothing left – no options. Of course that’s why he’s doing it. And there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s the realisation that there is no other option to him now – he’s setting himself free before he moves on. Well he has the Pantani option but stregth to him not to go down that path. One day in 5 years we’ll all look back and thank Floyd for what he did. It won’t happen today or this year but we will. He’ll also thank himself.

He can't move forward until he recognizes that he was wrong to make the choice to "do whatever it takes".

I think Floyd has done some good as he goes through this bruising and battering tumble down the slope, but he's not done enough to help himself in all of this. He needs to take personal accountability. Saying "I'd do it all again tomorrow" is far from the attitude of a guy who says he's in recovery. It says to me that he'd be happy to be accepted back into the ranks of the fraud again. And 9 months ago, he would have been happy to accept a slot on RadioShack, patting his Capo on the back as they rolled across the line.

Floyd is coming from a place of vengeance and anger, not the place of "lift this off my shoulders"

 

[luckyboy]

The stupid thing is that Wiggins knows better than we do who dopes.

I wonder if riders (same teams + on other teams) still talk openly about it in the peloton [Referring to Landis about Boogerd + Pereiro]

 

[Anonymous]

Pereiro Responds
http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...%2580%2598i-am-innocent%25e2%2580%2599_158327

two points of interest. Nice to see the credibility word bandied around again, and when (despite saying he hasnt read the article) asked about the fact Landis accuses him of doping, his first reaction is "in 2006?"

Guilty conscience oscar?

 

[131313]

If you are looking for some revealing reading from Big George you will be waiting a long, long time.

I'm not looking for it. I'm sure it'll only happen if he's unlucky enough to contract aplastic anemia in his 50's, or something along those lines. And by then no one will care since there will be a new generation of riders ruining their health for a few $$ (and your enjoyment).

I don't need Forrest Gump to do anything, but I'm glad I can look in the mirror with zero reservations. He's a sensitive sorta guy, and I bet on some level it bothers him.

 

[Angliru]

The whole Landis interview makes pretty sad and depressing reading and then to read this coming from a self appointed Sky and by association Wiggins fanatic just about sums up what fans are feeling right now.

Wiggins wife having a go was very strange, it struck me as the words of a wife scared that her husbands huge salary was under threat.

I just wish that one of the major sponsors such as Sky, SaxoBank, Garmin etc would come out and say that they are sick of the UCI and they are out of the sport if things don't improve.

That won't happen because they are told by their team management that the likes of Kimmage and Landis are talking rubbish and things aren't really as bad as they are making out.

Think about it: who would've thought when we all joined this forum and began exchanging posts with Skyfan and ACF that they would so soon either accept the possibility that their hero's may have or are doing PED's. I would've thunk it maybe further down the line, a few years, but not this soon.

 

[Benotti69]

I'm not looking for it. I'm sure it'll only happen if he's unlucky enough to contract aplastic anemia in his 50's, or something along those lines. And by then no one will care since there will be a new generation of riders ruining their health for a few $$ (and your enjoyment).

I don't need Forrest Gump to do anything, but I'm glad I can look in the mirror with zero reservations. He's a sensitive sorta guy, and I bet on some level it bothers him.

i bet it bothers him a lot, unless he likes lying a lot. It must get asked of him all the time by members of his family and the general public and he has to lie.

 

[luckyboy]

Pereiro Responds
http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...%2580%2598i-am-innocent%25e2%2580%2599_158327

two points of interest. Nice to see the credibility word bandied around again, and when (despite saying he hasnt read the article) asked about the fact Landis accuses him of doping, his first reaction is "in 2006?"

Guilty conscience oscar?

"Q. In that interview, Landis says he claims he saw you dope …

A. In 2006?"

How could he have seen him dope if they weren't even on the same team?

Haven't seen anyone talk about Pereiro's artificial haemoglobin yet. Wonder what product it was.

 

[BotanyBay]

i bet it bothers him a lot, unless he likes lying a lot. It must get asked of him all the time by members of his family and the general public and he has to lie.

When you have to lie as a matter of routine in your life, it spreads to the stupid, dumb crap. The habitual lying is what kills the relationships of the people being mentioned. They lie about where they're calling from, they lie about taking out the garbage, they lie about stuff they never needed to lie about. Because they always go for the easy way out of their conflicts. Lying about the doping is what teaches them to do as as a matter of routine.

It destroys one's life.

 

[thehog]

Pereiro Responds
http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...%2580%2598i-am-innocent%25e2%2580%2599_158327

two points of interest. Nice to see the credibility word bandied around again, and when (despite saying he hasnt read the article) asked about the fact Landis accuses him of doping, his first reaction is "in 2006?"

Guilty conscience oscar?

- I won't say I didn't dope I'll just say I'm innocent!

Q. So you can say that your Tour de France victory in 2006 was clean? Without doping?

A. I am going to repeat – we are here at a team presentation — I am innocent. Why do I have to prove my innocence? I am not guilty. I’m innocent. To be honest, I am not going to enter into some bull**** game like this. All I can say is that there is a lot of envy and bad feelings involving a lot of people in this sport. It started with Lance, now with Floyd, everyone will see that they are wrong.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Backing up a step, as this needs to be clarified:

Do you have a source saying Floyd was paid by Kimmage/ST?,,,So far he hasn't been paid for any interviews since May. At least that's what I think.

As a principle reporters do not pay for interviews. They may cover your coffee or lunch, but it's a real fallacy that reporters have a lot of cash to wave around to being with, let alone pay for interviews. It instantly compromises the integrity of the interview, and journalist.

There are exceptions to this, but they usually fall into the TMZ/Globe/Star type of interview for tabloid dirt, where integrity isn't so much an issue. This interview by someone like Kimmage doesn't fall into that category. When David Walsh interviewed Emma O'Reilly he paid her for the equivalent of transportation, board and food during the time of interview, he says because she feared for her safety - and she probably was just in that fear - but this is a very rare exception. 99.9999% of the time, legit reporters don't pay for interviews. And I'm all but certain that Kimmage wasn't paying Floyd. Nightline didn't pay him either, and I seriously doubt they paid Emma either.

 

[Benotti69]

Pereiro Responds
http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...%2580%2598i-am-innocent%25e2%2580%2599_158327

two points of interest. Nice to see the credibility word bandied around again, and when (despite saying he hasnt read the article) asked about the fact Landis accuses him of doping, his first reaction is "in 2006?"

Guilty conscience oscar?

Pereiro states in an answer

It started with Lance, now with Floyd, everyone will see that they are wrong.

anyone know what he means by it started with Lance?

 

[thehog]

Backing up a step, as this needs to be clarified:



As a principle reporters do not pay for interviews. They may cover your coffee or lunch, but it's a real fallacy that reporters have a lot of cash to wave around to being with, let alone pay for interviews. It instantly compromises the integrity of the interview, and journalist.

There are exceptions to this, but they usually fall into the TMZ/Globe/Star type of interview for tabloid dirt, where integrity isn't so much an issue. This interview by someone like Kimmage doesn't fall into that category. When David Walsh interviewed Emma O'Reilly he paid her for the equivalent of transportation, board and food during the time of interview, he says because she feared for her safety - and she probably was just in that fear - but this is a very rare exception. 99.9999% of the time, legit reporters don't pay for interviews. And I'm all but certain that Kimmage wasn't paying Floyd. Nightline didn't pay him either, and I seriously doubt they paid Emma either.

Roll back a few posts. Its been confirmed by Kimmage that he didn't pay Floyd.

 

[luckyboy]

NYVelocity twittered that Floyd wasn't paid for the inteview.

 

[Roland Rat]

Oscar Per... Pur... Pirrer... Oscar P

Hey Oscar, you're Spanish, you have no credibility either.

To be frank, I am not going into a game like this. I believe that during my entire cycling career that I never had any sort of problem with doping. I am not going to respond to something like from someone like Floyd Landis, who did test positive. I believe what he’s said and done these past few years has left him with very little credibility. It’s too bad, because he was a cool guy, but it’s really annoying what he’s doing in the manner that he’s doing

There you go, the old two truths thing. Not "I never had...". The old pre-denial caveat. Case closed.

 

[hfer07]

He can't move forward until he recognizes that he was wrong to make the choice to "do whatever it takes".

I think Floyd has done some good as he goes through this bruising and battering tumble down the slope, but he's not done enough to help himself in all of this. He needs to take personal accountability. Saying "I'd do it all again tomorrow" is far from the attitude of a guy who says he's in recovery. It says to me that he'd be happy to be accepted back into the ranks of the fraud again. And 9 months ago, he would have been happy to accept a slot on RadioShack, patting his Capo on the back as they rolled across the line.

Floyd is coming from a place of vengeance and anger, not the place of "lift this off my shoulders"

the problem here is to acknowledge that Landis probably was "ambitious" too- and by that I mean a driven person-perhaps not at the disturbing level of LA, but someone who set for himself a very high goal-which was to win the Tour.
As far as Landis being accountable for the doping in cycling- well- he is and he's responsible for all his actions-what separates his stand in comparison to the rest is that he's fully aware of what cycling requires to be competitive- no matter what kind of absurd rhetoric is out there to say that someone can comeback to the sport and ride "clean"-I also understand that part of his revelations come from anger-not necessary from vengeance, but rather a pay back for what a corrupt system deserves.

 

[Anonymous]

Think about it: who would've thought when we all joined this forum and began exchanging posts with Skyfan and ACF that they would so soon either accept the possibility that their hero's may have or are doing PED's. I would've thunk it maybe further down the line, a few years, but not this soon.

Who is one of my heroes. Being a fan of the team does not mean being a fan of every rider. Im not keen on Gerrans either. but anyway.

 

[Digger]

Whoever that poster was, who said Floyd has not taken full responability for his infractions is correct. Remember 12 days ago Floyd said to legalize doping.

Floyd is cynical about all the issues, I do not blame him. To think he has had an epiphany and walk the straight and narrow from here on in is dilusional.

Something in his upbringing tweeked him and allowed him to go against the morals of his Mennonite upbringing.

A man like Kimmage can help Floyd come to the surface and reveal his inner demons, I guess it is healthy for Floyd to stand on a soapbox and reveal some(but) not all of his infractions. I do not understand why he includes others in his misery, but my read is misery loves company.

Loose lips sink ships, I think Floyd and Paul Kimmage have a full comprehension of that.

I do not get pleasure from hearing these things but, at this point Floyd has made the transition to" It is not about the bike."

It is now all about Floyd. Floyd finally learned from his mentor, a certain Mr. Lance Armstrong, that" it is all about me."

No one forced Floyd to do what he has done. He will never walk the straight and narrow again, if he ever did in his life.

You are a coward also because when Lemond's son was on here you backed in to a corner like a scared little child out of his depth.

 

[jimmypop]

Whoever that poster was, who said Floyd has not taken full responability for his infractions is correct. Remember 12 days ago Floyd said to legalize doping.

And this is why we can't separate the journalism discussion from the doping discussion as it relates to this interview.

EDIT: throwing stones, not worth it.

 

[Darryl Webster]

You are a coward also because when Lemond's son was on here you backed in to a corner like a scared little child out of his depth.

+ 1.
I`l ask this publicly.
Why are the continued and meaningless meandering riddles of Flik and Polish being tollerated so much on this forum?
While they might not be using any offensive wording there outright belittling and vile nature so cetainly do offend.

 

[Benotti69]

You are a coward also because when Lemond's son was on here you backed in to a corner like a scared little child out of his depth.

dont be giving him compliments. His motives are despicable.