Kimmage interviews Floyd Landis: Sunday Times + Bombshell NYVC transcript [merged]

[luckyboy]

Lemond's son? Can someone link me to that please? I don't believe I remember seeing that.

 

[mtb Dad]

Dude, Max Mosley, former head of the FIA and son of Britain's most notorious fascist, was video recorded with five hookers as he acted out a sick concentration camp fantasy while speaking pidgin German. He won a vote of confidence and kept his job with the support of motor sport federations of non-European countries that undoubtedly owed him favors. If motor sport could not get rid of its head under those circumstances then what chance does cycling have?

I'm moving my answer to a separate thread on reforming the UCI.

 

[Barrus]

Cut it out with the personal assaults
IF you don't like his posts, which in general are not against any rules, do not read them, there is an ignore function on this forum

 

[MacRoadie]

Cut it out with the personal assaults
IF you don't like his posts, which in general are not against any rules, do not read them, there is an ignore function on this forum

I know this is off-topic so I'll be brief.

The problem with the "just ignore him" option is that then there is no one to refute the vile ramblings of these people. There is no one to provide a counter-point for the casual viewer of the forum, the new member who only sees flicker's posts and no one refuting what he says because everyone who knows his true nature has him on ignore.

When they came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Martin Niemoller

And no, Godwin's Law did not just surface...it's a poignant quote.

 

[Barrus]

I know this is off-topic so I'll be brief.

The problem with the "just ignore him" option is that then there is no one to refute the vile ramblings of these people. There is no one to provide a counter-point for the casual viewer of the forum, the new member who only sees flicker's posts and no one refuting what he says because everyone who knows his true nature has him on ignore.



Martin Niemoller

And no, Godwin's Law did not just surface...it's a poignant quote.

So what should we do, ban everyone who annoys people? Ban everyone who do not agree on Lance. If you can't deal with someone his posts do not respond, do not read them, or at least remain civil and do not resolve to personal attacks, if you cannot attack the post instead of the poster, do not post

 

[Cobblestoned]

NYVelocity twittered that Floyd wasn't paid for the inteview.

UCI would have a look @ that, if Floyd was still riding.
He has to be paid.

 

[Skandar Akbar]

I do not often agree with you, but this we can consider common ground. Floyd is still living in "victim land". He does not understand the big picture that fraud and dishonesty is what got him bounced onto the rock-bottom. He thinks he's the victim of a "thrown under bus" accident. He thinks there is honor among thieves.

And the sad part is, he's still a thief. He says he'd do it the same way all over again.

I don't think he should go back to his Mennonite town. He's not worldly enough to hang with them. He doesn't understand right from wrong.

The dishonesty after the fact is what got him bounced. If he would have come clean in 2006 then the sport would be different. He explained his thought process on lying in the
interview, and I find it easy to sit and criticize from afar like you are doing. You are and were not in his shoes in that sport at that time under that circumstance.

What is 'cheating' in professional bike racing? I would have done the same thing if I decided to enter that sport. Who is to say what I would have done if I got caught. I'm through criticising him; I feel bad for the guy.

 

[BroDeal]

+ 1.
I`l ask this publicly.
Why are the continued and meaningless meandering riddles of Flik and Polish being tollerated so much on this forum?
While they might not be using any offensive wording there outright belittling and vile nature so cetainly do offend.

Race Radio, I believe, once wrote that the only difference between flicker and BPC is posting volume. The mods have not yet figured out the truth in that statement.

 

[BroDeal]

So what should we do, ban everyone who annoys people? Ban everyone who do not agree on Lance. If you can't deal with someone his posts do not respond, do not read them, or at least remain civil and do not resolve to personal attacks, if you cannot attack the post instead of the poster, do not post

How about putting a stop to people whose only purpose is to bait other members and derail threads?

 

[Barrus]

How about putting a stop to people whose only purpose is to bait other members and derail threads?

He does not post anything that is outrageous or off-topic, msot often it is your sides reaction to it that is more damaging to the threads

 

[frenchfry]

Roll back a few posts. Its been confirmed by Kimmage that he didn't pay Floyd.

Of course the point isn't whether Floyd was paid or not.

The objective is to repeat the talking point enough that the mindless fanboys believe it.

 

[Darryl Webster]

So what should we do, ban everyone who annoys people? Ban everyone who do not agree on Lance. If you can't deal with someone his posts do not respond, do not read them, or at least remain civil and do not resolve to personal attacks, if you cannot attack the post instead of the poster, do not post

It`s not a case of banning its a case of "having a word".
How many times can a poster continually infer Lemond doped without a single shred of supporting evidence?. How many times can the same poster bring up Lemond of topic?.
It`s clear to most here that at least a couple posters reason de etra for being here is nothing much more than purile entagoinsm with little interest in discourse based on the evidence.

 

[BotanyBay]

The dishonesty after the fact is what got him bounced. If he would have come clean in 2006 then the sport would be different. He explained his thought process on lying in the
interview, and I find it easy to sit and criticize from afar like you are doing. You are and were not in his shoes in that sport at that time under that circumstance.

What is 'cheating' in professional bike racing? I would have done the same thing if I decided to enter that sport. Who is to say what I would have done if I got caught. I'm through criticising him; I feel bad for the guy.

I feel bad for him too. I just don't think he's fully processed his accountability and what his recovery requires of him at this point.

And you wouldn't want to walk a mile in my shoes. It makes climbing Palomar Mountain seem easy.

 

[Skandar Akbar]

Race Radio, I believe, once wrote that the only difference between flicker and BPC is posting volume. The mods have not yet figured out the truth in that statement.

Yeah, in your arrogant little world baiting and derailing = somebody that doesn't agree with you. Thankfully the mods see thru your ruse to turn this place into an echo chamber. Now run back to your little thread and complain some more about how this forum blows.

 

[BroDeal]

He can't move forward until he recognizes that he was wrong to make the choice to "do whatever it takes".

That is a judgement call, and few people in FLandis' position would have not have doped. We had a perfect example of this during the housing bubble. There was fraud throughout the system from Wall Street to the suburbs. Millions of people committed fraud by lying on their mortgage applications. They were not highly ambitious, driven athletes. They were not people who were facing loss of their career if they did not do it. They were people who just wanted a bigger house. It is human nature not to want to be the one chump who does not get what is his by refusing to do what everyone else is doing.

 

[Barrus]

It`s not a case of banning its a case of "having a word".
How many times can a poster continually infer Lemond doped without a single shred of supporting evidence?. How many times can the same poster bring up Lemond of topic?.
It`s clear to most here that at least a couple posters reason de etra for being here is nothing much more than purile entagoinsm with little interest in discourse based on the evidence.

I have not seen it, no-one reported it and if I had he would have had an infraction or a short ban as I warned him about it before. But we can't read all the posts, if something is off-topic or over the line, report it, but you do not seem to do that in many cases, yet ***** and moan that nothing is done about it

 

[Dr. Maserati]

- I won't say I didn't dope I'll just say I'm innocent!

Q. So you can say that your Tour de France victory in 2006 was clean? Without doping?

A. I am going to repeat – we are here at a team presentation — I am innocent. Why do I have to prove my innocence? I am not guilty. I’m innocent. To be honest, I am not going to enter into some bull**** game like this. All I can say is that there is a lot of envy and bad feelings involving a lot of people in this sport. It started with Lance, now with Floyd, everyone will see that they are wrong.

Oscar also went on to say this:

Q. No, he claims during your time together at Phonak, that he says he saw you partake in doping practices, how do you respond to those claims?

A. To be frank, I am not going into a game like this. I believe that during my entire cycling career that I never had any sort of problem with doping. I am not going to respond to something like from someone like Floyd Landis, who did test positive. I believe what he’s said and done these past few years has left him with very little credibility. It’s too bad, because he was a cool guy, but it’s really annoying what he’s doing in the manner that he’s doing

Oscar must have forgotten about testing positive for salbutamol and when requested having a difficult time producing the TUE.

 

[BotanyBay]

That is a judgement call, and few people in FLandis' position would have not have doped. We had a perfect example of this during the housing bubble. There was fraud throughout the system from Wall Street to the suburbs. Millions of people committed fraud by lying on their mortgage applications. They were not highly ambitious, driven athletes. They were not people who were facing loss of their career if they did not do it. They were people who just wanted a bigger house. It is human nature not to want to be the one chump who does not get what is his by refusing to do what everyone else is doing.

Yes, and Floyd is essentially doing a "strategic mortgage default" (like people who now feel they have a right to default because "America was duped by banks"), instead of owning his problem... and his role IN his problem.

At some point, we need to cease being "sheeple" and account for ourselves.

And true, I'm not sure how I would have handled the situation differently. I'm older than Floyd, and I sure made some really bad judgment calls in that period of my life. I'm just trying to be firm in what needs to be said NOW as far as how to get past this. And I do not think he's adopted the proper attitude. It's that simple.

 

[Francois the Postman]

BroDeal [and others], you have raised this point frequently, and it is obvious that our attitude doesn't please you. And that some posters annoy you to the bone.

However, this forum doesn't exists so it is exactly to your wishes. And yes, god we try. If you keep raising it in threads instead of the discussion area, you are derailing too. You are quick to call some new posters trolls, even if they are not always. You also bait and insult when you think it justified, especially against people you dislike or opinions you deem inferior or one that ccan only beheld by a troll or a paid member of Lance's staff.

We will make the call who is a troll, and who is probably a poster who just annoys you but who we will deal differently with than just turf them out to please you. And who you can put on ignore if you want to. The feature exists.

Take this conversation to the about-the-forum area now, or shut up.

LAST WARNING to all, next posts better be on topic.

 

[theyoungest]

Boogerd has denied Landis' allegations on Dutch radio, saying the occasional bruises were due to blood controls gone slightly wrong, when they missed the vain. It happened all the time back then, he claims. Boogerd says he doesn't know why he got singled out by Landis, maybe because he once called Landis an arrogant **** when he didn't show respect for the yellow jersey in 2006.

Of course, no-one in this thread will believe this story, but hey, it's wat Boogerd says. Now go on discussing the words from the great harbinger of truth, Floyd Landis.

 

[BroDeal]

Yes, and Floyd is essentially doing a "strategic mortgage default" (like people who now feel they have a right to default because "America was duped by banks"), instead of owning his problem... and his role IN his problem.

At some point, we need to cease being "sheeple" and account for ourselves.

And true, I'm not sure how I would have handled the situation differently. I'm older than Floyd, and I sure made some really bad judgment calls in that period of my life. I'm just trying to be firm in what needs to be said NOW as far as how to get past this. And I do not think he's adopted the proper attitude. It's that simple.

"Charging a man with murder in this place was like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500." -- Apocalypse Now.

 

[Darryl Webster]

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[Angliru]

Pereiro Responds
http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...%2580%2598i-am-innocent%25e2%2580%2599_158327

two points of interest. Nice to see the credibility word bandied around again, and when (despite saying he hasnt read the article) asked about the fact Landis accuses him of doping, his first reaction is "in 2006?"

Guilty conscience oscar?

Would Hood interrogate LA like this? Hell no! He's a coward and a lap dog.

 

[Angliru]

Who is one of my heroes. Being a fan of the team does not mean being a fan of every rider. Im not keen on Gerrans either. but anyway.

I regrett wording it like that but didn't bother to correct it. My bad.

 

[Angliru]

+ 1.
I`l ask this publicly.
Why are the continued and meaningless meandering riddles of Flik and Polish being tollerated so much on this forum?
While they might not be using any offensive wording there outright belittling and vile nature so cetainly do offend.

I think they're fairly harmless. For the most part I only skim through their posts at best, mainly I ignore them because of the drivel that they post. I'm sure many here probably do the same to me, if not worst-have me on ignore. They have just as much right to post here as anyone and I leave it up to the moderators to decide who stays and who doesn't.