Kimmage interviews Floyd Landis: Sunday Times + Bombshell NYVC transcript [merged]

[Benotti69]

"Charging a man with murder in this place was like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500." -- Apocalypse Now.

Great quote Bro and a perfect analogy.

yep, i think lots of the riders that are caught feel like they got speeding tickets at the indy 500.

As kimmage says in the articles it's a crock of Sh*t.

 

[Benotti69]

I think they're fairly harmless. For the most part I only skim through their posts at best, mainly I ignore them because of the drivel that they post. I'm sure many here probably do the same to me, if not worst-have me on ignore. They have just as much right to post here as anyone and I leave it up to the moderators to decide who stays and who doesn't.

best thing to do is report these guys, then mods have to make a call either to do something on the thread or PM them, but at least they are aware of posters who Darryl has mentioned...

it is easy to get caught into their trap by trying to respond so that new members don't believe it.

Kimmage has asked Floyd to stay away from these places for similar reason.

 

[Angliru]

best thing to do is report these guys, then mods have to make a call either to do something on the thread or PM them, but at least they are aware of posters who Darryl has mentioned...

it is easy to get caught into their trap by trying to respond so that new members don't believe it.

Kimmage has asked Floyd to stay away from these places for similar reason.

Well I've learned that as a matter of fact just recently. In the past I would debate and show my outrage at an offensive post, but this time for whatever reason a light came on in my head that this one should be reported. I guess I reached the end of my rope. I personally prefer to wait to see if the moderators are going to correct it themselves but in this particular case it seemed to me this individual was on a constant rant that seemed to last for days.

Sorry to sidetrack the op.

 

[Polish]

Ask Jesus Manzano how safe transfusions are.

I will ask Manzano if he felt Kelme had a safer program than USPS -
if you ask Floyd if he ever had coffee beans injected into his keester ouch it hurts.

I would think that many in the Clinic would be horrified to learn that the doping program at USPS was NOT nearly as heinous as most other teams gasp.

 

[Granville57]

Of course, no-one in this thread will believe this story, but hey, it's wat Boogerd says. Now go on discussing the words from the great harbinger of truth, Floyd Landis.

Have you asked yourself why "no-one on this thread" would accept the word of a pro cyclist when confronted with first-person testimony about a doping conversation? One's imagination can only be stretched so far...and so many times.

The Kimmage/Landis interview was an intimate conversation that took place in Floyd's home. I hardly think he was dead set on casting accusations about, with the deliberate attempt of bringing down Boogerd. The topic comes up, he talks about. I think it's that simple.

And if Pereiro really did call Floyd out after having openly spoken about doping, why wouldn't Floyd have a grudge? Floyd has nothing to gain by that at this point. The UCI isn't going to reverse their decision and re-declare Floyd the winner.

Common sense should dictate just who is telling the truth at this point.

 

[Barrus]

Boogerd has denied Landis' allegations on Dutch radio, saying the occasional bruises were due to blood controls gone slightly wrong, when they missed the vain. It happened all the time back then, he claims. Boogerd says he doesn't know why he got singled out by Landis, maybe because he once called Landis an arrogant **** when he didn't show respect for the yellow jersey in 2006.

Of course, no-one in this thread will believe this story, but hey, it's wat Boogerd says. Now go on discussing the words from the great harbinger of truth, Floyd Landis.

Now, this might be true, however when taken with the words of Kohl, I do have my doubts on the honesty of Boogerd

 

[Granville57]

Now, this might be true, however when taken with the words of Kohl, I do have my doubts on the honesty of Boogerd

But Kohl was a cheater, so that means he's a liar. Right?

 

[Barrus]

But Kohl was a cheater, so that means he's a liar. Right?

That's not anything I ahve ever said, however I do not take their words now that they have 'cleared' their conscience as complete gospel though

 

[Cobblestoned]

Boogerd has denied Landis' allegations on Dutch radio, saying the occasional bruises were due to blood controls gone slightly wrong, when they missed the vain. It happened all the time back then, he claims. Boogerd says he doesn't know why he got singled out by Landis, maybe because he once called Landis an arrogant **** when he didn't show respect for the yellow jersey in 2006.

Of course, no-one in this thread will believe this story, but hey, it's wat Boogerd says. Now go on discussing the words from the great harbinger of truth, Floyd Landis.

He called him arrogant jellyfish.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

I will ask Manzano if he felt Kelme had a safer program than USPS -
if you ask Floyd if he ever had coffee beans injected into his keester ouch it hurts.

I would think that many in the Clinic would be horrified to learn that the doping program at USPS was NOT nearly as heinous as most other teams gasp.

By "heinous" you mean of course: Dangerous in the short term

We'll see how unhealthy it really was over the next decades I guess. I certainly wouldn't want to have Lance's body in 20 years....

 

[Granville57]

That's not anything I ahve ever said, however I do not take their words now that they have 'cleared' their conscience as complete gospel though

Barrus, it was a joke on my part. It was meant in response to those who disavow anything a confessed cheat has to offer.

Personally, I find most of what Kohl says about doping to be believable. But neither do I accept anything, from any of these guys, as gospel.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

Boogerd has denied Landis' allegations on Dutch radio, saying the occasional bruises were due to blood controls gone slightly wrong, when they missed the vain. It happened all the time back then, he claims. Boogerd says he doesn't know why he got singled out by Landis, maybe because he once called Landis an arrogant **** when he didn't show respect for the yellow jersey in 2006.

Of course, no-one in this thread will believe this story, but hey, it's wat Boogerd says. Now go on discussing the words from the great harbinger of truth, Floyd Landis.

Funny that he actually (sort of)acknowledges the incident took place, and that he did have bruises on his arms from blood controls.

I would have thought he would go for the outright denial myself.

I posted this on a dutch cycling forum and it's amazing how many Dutch think Landis is a pathological liar for ever, no matter what.

Must either be Calvinism or the malign influence of jokers like Mart Smeets and Ducrot at the NOS.

Its pretty depressing at times. I have teammates who think that all the top pros dope, but still say we can't ever believe a word Landis said because he's a liar.

Must be the Dutch character.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

Boogerd has denied Landis' allegations on Dutch radio, saying the occasional bruises were due to blood controls gone slightly wrong, when they missed the vain. It happened all the time back then, he claims. Boogerd says he doesn't know why he got singled out by Landis, maybe because he once called Landis an arrogant **** when he didn't show respect for the yellow jersey in 2006.

Of course, no-one in this thread will believe this story, but hey, it's wat Boogerd says. Now go on discussing the words from the great harbinger of truth, Floyd Landis.

I read somewhere that the needles they use to put blood IN are larger than the ones they use to take blood OUT, and thus more likely to cause bruising.

Can anyone confirm?

Has anyone ever heard about riders being bruised by blood control tests before?

 

[Granville57]

Funny that he actually (sort of)acknowledges the incident took place, and that he did have bruises on his arms from blood controls.

HA! That is funny. Kind of puts himself right there in the moment, as opposed to just not acknowledging it.

 

[BroDeal]

HA! That is funny. Kind of puts himself right there in the moment, as opposed to just not acknowledging it.

He will be getting call from Armstrong, who will tell him that is not the way you deny.

 

[sniper]

Funny that he actually (sort of)acknowledges the incident took place, and that he did have bruises on his arms from blood controls.

I would have thought he would go for the outright denial myself.

I posted this on a dutch cycling forum and it's amazing how many Dutch think Landis is a pathological liar for ever, no matter what.

Must either be Calvinism or the malign influence of jokers like Mart Smeets and Ducrot at the NOS.

Its pretty depressing at times. I have teammates who think that all the top pros dope, but still say we can't ever believe a word Landis said because he's a liar.

still, it is quite something that the Kimmage/Landis interview has been picked up by Dutch journalists. A hopeful signal.

Indeed, the small Dutch NOS-world of cycling is as naive as it gets. Herbert Dijkstra? what a joke.
By the way, it's all ex-dopers in charge of Dutch cycling: Breukink, Dekker, Van Poppel.
Ducrot himself has admitted to doping, but is not willing or capable to really criticize modern day dopers.
In the Netherlands, everybody who's still making money with cycling is tacitly agreeing to live the Omerta.

 

[sniper]

He will be getting call from Armstrong, who will tell him that is not the way you deny.

+1

Funny that he actually (sort of)acknowledges the incident took place, and that he did have bruises on his arms from blood controls.

I would have thought he would go for the outright denial myself.

I posted this on a dutch cycling forum and it's amazing how many Dutch think Landis is a pathological liar for ever, no matter what.

Must either be Calvinism or the malign influence of jokers like Mart Smeets and Ducrot at the NOS.

Its pretty depressing at times. I have teammates who think that all the top pros dope, but still say we can't ever believe a word Landis said because he's a liar.

Must be the Dutch character.

+1 ....I'm as Dutch as a pair of wooden shoes, and couldn't agree more.
Still, it is quite something that the Kimmage/Landis interview has been picked up by Dutch journalists. A hopeful signal.

Indeed, the small Dutch NOS-world of cycling is as naive as it gets. Herbert Dijkstra? what a joke.
By the way, it's all ex-dopers in charge of Dutch cycling: Breukink, Dekker, Van Poppel.
Ducrot himself has admitted to doping, but is not willing or capable to really criticize modern day dopers.
In the Netherlands, everybody who's still making money with cycling is tacitly agreeing to live the Omerta.

 

[hrotha]

HA! That is funny. Kind of puts himself right there in the moment, as opposed to just not acknowledging it.

Actually it's a good tactic. Boogerd has given a plausible explanation for the conversation, so he's safe. Basing his defense on calling Landis a liar could backfire, for example if someone else confirms the conversation took place (very unlikely) or if Landis's credibility is established by, say, an investigation corroborating what he's said on more important issues (likely).

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Took me 2 days to read it all. I started yesterday and finished at lunch.

While I will not call him a hero, I will give my opinion on Floyd the person. -----It takes guts to put all of this information about ones self into the public for us asshats to discuss on public message boards. It would be much easier for him to just…hide out and let the chips fall. He is choosing not to do this and air out his business. That is not an easy decision for anyone to make.

 

[webvan]

Wow, how things change I bumped into this article from August 2009 by accident : http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=4423462 where LA said he didn't rule out joining his team and Landis commenting LA needed the best helpers to win so why not him...what would have happened if he'd joined eh...

 

[thehog]

Wow, how things change I bumped into this article from August 2009 by accident : http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=4423462 where LA said he didn't rule out joining his team and Landis commenting LA needed the best helpers to win so why not him...what would have happened if he'd joined eh...

It was Armstrong keeping Floyd on a string. Floyd was thinking about confessing all in 2008 and was already talking with investigators and the USADA in December 2009. Armstrong needed to keep the dream alive for Floyd so he wouldn't do anything stupid. Armstrong never had any intention of hiring Floyd. None the less Floyd kept the communication going at the direction of the investigation.

 

[Anonymous]

Boogers response hits the english speaking press
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...Cycling+News+&+Race+Results+|+VeloNation.com)

I had in total 16 blood tests in early december. Not ONE left a bruise.

 

[Francois the Postman]

Boogers response hits the english speaking press
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...Cycling+News+&+Race+Results+|+VeloNation.com)

I had in total 16 blood tests in early december. Not ONE left a bruise.

Don't think that the following comment is a reflection on how believable I consider Boogerd to be, but I have had 1 recently, and boy did it bruise.

The plural of anecdote is not fact.

 

[Benotti69]

Don't think that the following comment is a reflection on how believable I consider Boogerd to be, but I have had 1 recently, and boy did it bruise.

The plural of anecdote is not fact.

ya big girls blouse, you and Boorgerd

 

[Chuffy]

Don't think that the following comment is a reflection on how believable I consider Boogerd to be, but I have had 1 recently, and boy did it bruise.

The plural of anecdote is not fact.

Remind me again which area of the Forum you're posting this in...

What I know about Boogerd could be written on the back of a small postage stamp, but the facts of the incident fit both Landis' interpretation and Boogerd's explanation. Boogerd may be lying but equally Landis could be wrong. This is why it I get annoyed when people take *everything* that Landis says at absolute face value. It's called confirmation bias and this place is full of it.