Kimmage on Wiggins, Sky

[gooner]

Do you realise what Moore did?

I'm referring specifically to the disgraceful insult Kimmage did. You know very well what I was referring to.

It was the Second Captains interview where Kimmage was talking about The Times and it being an "in house" thing with regards to Sky. Slot didn't like it and Kimmage mentioned that there was a list of columns he had pulled which Moore said it was nothing to boast about. It lead on to Moore asking him about his agent trying to get him a job as a pundit on Sky. Come to think of it, it's another hypocritical point considering his criticism and what he seems to see of The Times and it's closeness with Sky. He refused to answer which makes it highly likely it's true. Kimmage didn't like it which lead to remark on his part.

I find it hard to accept how some find Walsh's comments about bitter Armstrong fans is insulting while Kimmage is allowed to go as he pleases in a lot more colourful language to people.

 

[Digger]

I'm referring specifically to the disgraceful insult Kimmage did. You know very well what I was referring to.

It was the Second Captains interview where Kimmage was talking about The Times and it being an "in house" thing with regards to Sky. Slot didn't like it and Kimmage mentioned that there was a list of columns he had pulled which Moore said it was nothing to boast about. It lead on to Moore asking him about his agent trying to get him a job as a pundit on Sky. Come to think of it, it's another hypocritical point considering what he seems to see The Times and it's closeness with Sky. He refused to answer which makes it highly likely it's true.

I find it hard to accept how some find Walsh's comments about bitter Armstrong fans is insulting while Kimmage is allowed to go as he pleases in a lot more colourful language to people.

Again showing yourself not to know the facts - Moore did something long long before last year. And do you know or have you had it verified by anyone other than Moore that Kimmage supposedly asked for a position during the tour

And again it's ok for Walsh to have bad relationships with other journos I take it.

 

[The Hitch]

Sometimes I think ppl expect sportsmen to be politicians, especially if they ride a bike

You mean like you when you judged Horner for attacking Hincapie?

And of course this thread is just loserville. http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17476
Totally unnecessary to look at how cyclists react to doping. Who cares, they are succesful they can do what they want.

 

[gooner]

Again showing yourself not to know the facts - Moore did something long long before last year. And do you know or have you had it verified by anyone other than Moore that Kimmage supposedly asked for a position during the tour

And again it's ok for Walsh to have bad relationships with other journos I take it.

If it was no issue for him, why didn't he answer it then. At a later stage a normal fan on twitter put it to him on the subject and he was again similarly evasive where he refused to answer.

You fail to address any of my points. Firstly you tried to overplay Kimmage's role by saying he did investigative work which exposed certain people. That has been dispelled and you still fail to admit it. Address the abuse to Moore. Do you find this acceptable? The insult was on the back of what I posted above.

I can't remember Walsh giving insulting disgraceful comments to journalists on the level of what Kimmage did. I don't endorse that behaviour. If you can bring something to my attention that Walsh might have said similar, feel free to do so. He'll deserve the criticism as well.

I can't understand how you have a go at the likes of Kennaugh for his comment to Kimmage and then say nothing about comments by Kimmage that are even more insulting to others. How is this OK for Kimmage to do and the likes of Kennaugh is then called a bully by you?

 

[gooner]

Link?

Amazing how one of the few journalists who truly wants a clean sport gets shot at so much.

His inconsistencies are there to be brought forward like everyone else. Your comment can easily be said for Walsh too but I accept he's not above criticism either. Walsh wants a clean sport but it doesn't stop you hammering him in the other thread.

Regarding not writing a column on Delgado's positive, he said it in an interview with Marian Finnucane last year. I already mentioned this and posted the link to it in the Walsh thread.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1233199&postcount=294

 

[martinvickers]

Absolutely not - god people haven't got a clue.

Well how about you lay it out, then, fella, rather than play 'guess who'?

 

[elduggo]

If it was no issue for him, why didn't he answer it then. At a later stage a normal fan on twitter put it to him on the subject and he was again similarly evasive where he refused to answer.

You fail to address any of my points. Firstly you tried to overplay Kimmage's role by saying he did investigative work which exposed certain people. That has been dispelled and you still fail to admit it. Address the abuse to Moore. Do you find this acceptable? The insult was on the back of what I posted above.

I can't remember Walsh giving insulting disgraceful comments to journalists on the level of what Kimmage did. I don't endorse that behaviour. If you can bring something to my attention that Walsh might have said similar, feel free to do so. He'll deserve the criticism as well.

I can't understand how you have a go at the likes of Kennaugh for his comment to Kimmage and then say nothing about comments by Kimmage that are even more insulting to others. How is this OK for Kimmage to do and the likes of Kennaugh is then called a bully by you?

sorry to but t in but is your point that Kimmage is a bit of an a s s h o l e?

 

[Digger]

If it was no issue for him, why didn't he answer it then. At a later stage a normal fan on twitter put it to him on the subject and he was again similarly evasive where he refused to answer.

You fail to address any of my points. Firstly you tried to overplay Kimmage's role by saying he did investigative work which exposed certain people. That has been dispelled and you still fail to admit it. Address the abuse to Moore. Do you find this acceptable? The insult was on the back of what I posted above.

I can't remember Walsh giving insulting disgraceful comments to journalists on the level of what Kimmage did. I don't endorse that behaviour. If you can bring something to my attention that Walsh might have said similar, feel free to do so. He'll deserve the criticism as well.

I can't understand how you have a go at the likes of Kennaugh for his comment to Kimmage and then say nothing about comments by Kimmage that are even more insulting to others. How is this OK for Kimmage to do and the likes of Kennaugh is then called a bully by you?

I already specified the people like millar he investigated, trent lowe, lim, vaughers - you dispelled it in your head!!!

Again you still don't know the context of the moore situation...it's from way before last summer - so get your facts straight. You honestly have no idea what you are talking about...is Kimmage meant to just continuously take crap from Moore...not that you know anything about it.

Kennaugh is a coward..and is another example of the 'gang mentality' of sky - something your boy Walsh didn't address. And again I quote you Walsh saying he has no respect for the other journos...or most of them. That's acceptable in your eyes but Kimmage isn't - eventhough you know nothing of the context of Moore and Kimmage.

 

[Digger]

Well how about you lay it out, then, fella, rather than play 'guess who'?

Nah - go find it out yourself...it's your little research project!!

Remember the ball not the man Martin

 

[martinvickers]

Nah - go find it out yourself...it's your little research project!!

Remember the ball not the man Martin

Nope, you raised it, you prove it. Otherwise, it's bullsh!t. You've got previous, so you aren't to be taken on trust.

 

[Digger]

Nope, you raised it, you prove it. Otherwise, it's bullsh!t. You've got previous, so you aren't to be taken on trust.

haha - ball not the man martin!!

you were the one who made a claim about how moore and kimmage had an incident last summer and that was the start of it - that moore made a claim about kimmage seeking work with sky...firstly have you verified that kimmage sought work with them?

secondly their history goes way back - and even if you bothered researching it on the internet even you would see that...clue...goes back to before 2013.

and ball not the man!!

I want Race Radio type mod protection on here!!! haha!!!

 

[thehog]

Nope, you raised it, you prove it. Otherwise, it's bullsh!t. You've got previous, so you aren't to be taken on trust.

Martin, you make me giggle sometimes. Huffing and puffing like you do

 

[ferryman]

haha - ball not the man martin!!

you were the one who made a claim about how moore and kimmage had an incident last summer and that was the start of it - that moore made a claim about kimmage seeking work with sky...firstly have you verified that kimmage sought work with them?

secondly their history goes way back - and even if you bothered researching it on the internet even you would see that...clue...goes back to before 2013.

and ball not the man!!

Do you both know how tedious these exchanges are?

 

[the sceptic]

Do you both know how tedious these exchanges are?

maybe you mods havent noticed, but martinvickers does this on purpose. He is always involved in this stuff. at least you could ask him to stop acting like a pompous *******.

 

[Digger]

Do you both know how tedious these exchanges are?

what exactly did I do wrong? go back there and see who got personal first. Didn't realise we can't defend ourselves on here!!

 

[thehog]

maybe you mods havent noticed, but martinvickers does this on purpose. He is always involved in this stuff. at least you could ask him to stop acting like a pompous *******.

My advice to Martin would be to place a rubber mat under his keyboard.

I can hear hear his keystrikes across the Atlantic

 

[martinvickers]

haha - ball not the man martin!!

you were the one who made a claim about how moore and kimmage had an incident last summer and that was the start of it - that moore made a claim about kimmage seeking work with sky...firstly have you verified that kimmage sought work with them?

secondly their history goes way back - and even if you bothered researching it on the internet even you would see that...clue...goes back to before 2013.

and ball not the man!!

I want Race Radio type mod protection on here!!! haha!!!

Actually, no. I didn't. You started it with this little cryptic number -

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1412166&postcount=585

Please don't tell lies, Digger.

And a word of advice; if you have to keep repeatedly typing out your laughter, it becomes pretty clear, pretty quickly, you aren't laughing. You're seething.

 

[martinvickers]

Martin, you make me giggle sometimes. Huffing and puffing like you do

Glad you're amused, Hog. I do take your amusement into account with every keystroke...

 

[martinvickers]

maybe you mods havent noticed, but martinvickers does this on purpose. He is always involved in this stuff. at least you could ask him to stop acting like a pompous *******.

Maybe the mods haven't noticed that sceptic is on record as deliberately attempting to bait me into a ban..

 

[Digger]

Actually, no. I didn't. You started it with this little cryptic number -

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1412166&postcount=585

Please don't tell lies, Digger.

And a word of advice; if you have to keep repeatedly typing out your laughter, it becomes pretty clear, pretty quickly, you aren't laughing. You're seething.

so gooner started it!

Grrr I am so angry!!!


But anyway you accept you have no verification that what moore said was true...and you also accept you don't know the context to Moore and Kimmage...cheers martin no worries man


Still seething!!!

 

[martinvickers]

so gooner started it!

Grrr I am so angry!!!

Your temper is well known, Diggsy. It doesn't really matter, but let's not pretend it's not.

And No. Gooner didn't start it. You raised it, very clearly, with the "Do you realise what Moore did?" line after Gooner had mentioned the Moore-Slot- Kimmage incident. You raised this 'background'. Nobody else.

But anyway you accept you have no verification that what moore said was true

Actually, as it happens, No; I DID get verification, privately, and it was, at least according to my source, broadly true. As I was told, discussions didn't get very far.

...and you also accept you don't know the context to Moore and Kimmage...

I accepted no such thing. I made the simple point, and I repeat it. You raised it. You prove it. Otherwise, it's bullsh!t.

 

[Digger]

Your temper is well known, Diggsy. It doesn't really matter, but let's not pretend it's not.

And No. Gooner didn't start it. You raised it, very clearly, with the "Do you realise what Moore did?" line after Gooner had mentioned the Moore-Slot- Kimmage incident. You raised this 'background'. Nobody else.



Actually, as it happens, No; I DID get verification, privately, and it was, at least according to my source, broadly true. As I was told, discussions didn't get very far.



I accepted no such thing. I made the simple point, and I repeat it. You raised it. You prove it. Otherwise, it's bullsh!t.

Another person attack Martin!! How many bans you had from here now?!!

Ball not the man dude tut tut

this is genius! Gooner mentions Moore and Sky and kimmage...I said to him as I told you that it was wrong...which seems to be problematic for you...but anyways moving along

You said you did get verification...well unless you tell us who told you, it's also BS, according to the logic you've put forth later on towards me!!

But going by your lack of knowledge of the context to Kimmage tweeting a reply to Moore, something which escapes you and Gooner...something you could find on the internet if you were bothered.......

 

[Digger]

But talking stupid doesn’t make one a ****** always.

What makes him a ****** is when he answers a question later on in the interview about people asking him about doping, specifically his role in it.

Here, I’ll let Bradley speak for himself-

“I am proud to be a winner of the Tour de France, with no history and no skeletons in the closet. So I’ll challenge people: the real hypocrites of the sport who are asking those questions. Even Paul Kimmage, to an extent. Someone summed it up for me: ‘Paul Kimmage: he took drugs, and he was still ****.’ And he has the cheek to challenge us on a daily basis. So it’s a funny old thing.”

A previous, “clean” Tour winner, classifying people that people that ask questions about doping in the sport as hypocrites? Huh? Most of them never even raced bicycles. But he did single out one journalist that did, Paul Kimmage. And Paul quit, wrote a book exposing doping in the sport, nearly two decades ago, and has been one of the most outspoken persons on planet condemning​ it.


http://stevetilford.com/2014/03/08/bradley-wiggins-is-a-******/

 

[martinvickers]

You said you did get verification...well unless you tell us who told you, it's also BS, according to the logic you've put forth later on towards me!!

I'm not asking to be believed. I didn't raise verification, you did. I'm making no claims of the accuracy of the info I received - i just know I asked and that was the answer I got. You may have got a different answer from Paul, I don't know, nor do I, frankly, care. You asked a question. I answered it. Unlike the 'backgroiund', wher eI asked a question, and you squirmed all over the shop instead of answering it..

 

[Digger]

I'm not asking to be believed. I didn't raise verification, you did. I'm making no claims of the accuracy of the info I received - i just know I asked and that was the answer I got. You may have got a different answer from Paul, I don't know, nor do I, frankly, care. You asked a question. I answered it. Unlike the 'backgroiund', wher eI asked a question, and you squirmed all over the shop instead of answering it..

you clearly do care!!! why else are you typing reply after reply!

I said to you and Gooner, the answer to your question is on the internet...and is something also told to me...but for those who aren't afraid of google it's there...


Take it easy Martin though and don't get yet another ban dude.