Kimmage on Wiggins, Sky

[Benotti69]

....usual ...............


If he were the anti-doping advocate he is made out to be, anti-doping would be his main subject most of the time.

Sadly sports editors are not interested in doping stories. Neither is appears are fans when it affects their hero worship

 

[Digger]

I think Kimmage has called out Roche and Kelly, though it was clearly Walsh who took the public flack on Roche - see famous Late, Late.

Kimmage gets some stuff wrong, but and his manner is sometimes needlessly abrasive, but he's one of the good guys. Please, in all seriousness, don't blame Kimmage for the faults of people like Digger, it's not fair on him, or the work he's done.

haha!!!!!!!!!!

 

[gooner]

Cadel Evans piece from 2010 - pulled by the times...who else questioned him?

David millar - who else questioned him?

Sky, him and about two others. Who else?

So if a paper says to Paul I want you to do a piece on a soccer player, Paul needs to tell them to f*** off that he's doing anti doping work instead...


You see his pieces on Pinotti, Lemond, Andreus,

Also forgetting that Paul was the guy who exposed the Trent lowe issue...and Allen Lim

I notice you aren't saying the other names anymore. Ha!

The Pinotti and Lemond ones are interviews. Again nothing exposed. Kimmage says Pinotti is the only rider with a true anti-doping stance in the sport and I like Marco but it has to be asked why hasn't he going after him consistently considering who he has ridden for in the past. He does it with Roche riding for Riis and Contador but what about Pinotti with Lelangue and Ochowicz. Remember Kimmage said there is nothing that sets off the alarm bells with Roche.

I find Kimmage holds riders today to a bigger standard he did himself. He wanted Nico to write a column on Kreuziger but Kimmage refused to do it back in 88 for the Delgado positive and told Walsh he would have got into trouble if he did so.

There's inconsistencies in his judgement at times.

 

[Benotti69]

He hasn't written once article since the Tour on Sky.

Kimmage doesn't won the newspaper. He does no doubt have a say in his choice of subjects, but a newspaper is not going send him on a long investigative story about doping. Those days are over, newspapers cannot afford that luxury anymore.

Newspapers and their sport sections preach and pander to fans who believe their heroes dont dope and refuse to consider their heroes as cheats.

Kimmage is a great interviewer and writer. His awards speak for themselves.

I have no doubt he is not an easy guy to get on with, but i doubt he cares. He made clear the only thing worse than talking to CN is reading it.

 

[TailWindHome]

Has he set up camp yet?

 

[Benotti69]

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I find Kimmage holds riders today to a bigger standard he did himself. He wanted Nico to write a column on Kreuziger but Kimmage refused to do it back in 88 for the Delgado positive and told Walsh he would have got into trouble if he did so.

There's inconsistencies in his judgement at times.

Got that wrong, Walsh advised him not too.

 

[Benotti69]

I find Kimmage holds riders today to a bigger standard he did himself. He wanted Nico to write a column on Kreuziger but Kimmage refused to do it back in 88 for the Delgado positive and told Walsh he would have got into trouble if he did so.

There's inconsistencies in his judgement at times.

Link?

Amazing how one of the few journalists who truly wants a clean sport gets shot at so much.

 

[martinvickers]

haha!!!!!!!!!!

Not sure what's so funny, it's not personal. Just making the obvious point that you ought to separate the view of the journo from the view on his supporters.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Not sure what's so funny, it's not personal. Just making the obvious point that you ought to separate the view of the journo from the view on his supporters.

Fair point. Good post.






I played the ball not the man.

 

[martinvickers]

Fair point. Good post.






I played the ball not the man.

Well, sorry to upset Digger, that isn't the intention; just seemed clear the discussion of Kimmage was going to be swallowed up in the two posters feelings for each other - didn't think that was useful, that's all. You can like and support Kimmage without liking or agreeing with all his acolytes, that's all.

 

[Digger]

I notice you aren't saying the other names anymore. Ha!

The Pinotti and Lemond ones are interviews. Again nothing exposed. Kimmage says Pinotti is the only rider with a true anti-doping stance in the sport and I like Marco but it has to be asked why hasn't he going after him consistently considering who he has ridden for in the past. He does it with Roche riding for Riis and Contador but what about Pinotti with Lelangue and Ochowicz. Remember Kimmage said there is nothing that sets off the alarm bells with Roche.

I find Kimmage holds riders today to a bigger standard he did himself. He wanted Nico to write a column on Kreuziger but Kimmage refused to do it back in 88 for the Delgado positive and told Walsh he would have got into trouble if he did so.

There's inconsistencies in his judgement at times.

The other names - there are so many I can't keep typing them. But your attitude is like the life of brian, outside of the viaducts what have the romans ever done for us

 

[Digger]

I notice you aren't saying the other names anymore. Ha!

The Pinotti and Lemond ones are interviews. Again nothing exposed. Kimmage says Pinotti is the only rider with a true anti-doping stance in the sport and I like Marco but it has to be asked why hasn't he going after him consistently considering who he has ridden for in the past. He does it with Roche riding for Riis and Contador but what about Pinotti with Lelangue and Ochowicz. Remember Kimmage said there is nothing that sets off the alarm bells with Roche.

I find Kimmage holds riders today to a bigger standard he did himself. He wanted Nico to write a column on Kreuziger but Kimmage refused to do it back in 88 for the Delgado positive and told Walsh he would have got into trouble if he did so.

There's inconsistencies in his judgement at times.

You talk about him falling out with journos but that's ok with Walsh?>

 

[oldcrank]

4-5 hours? How often does any cyclist do that for any journalist.

Let's not forget that Kimmage isn't a big journalist anymore. He writes for an Irish Sunday paper - not the The Sunday Times. He's really only of importance to certain minor sections of social media (such as this forum) these days. He still has his fans but far more seem to view him as a self-parody now.

There are plenty of journalists who would like 4-5 hours with Wiggins. Ones that actually go to races. Why should he jump ahead of them?

What Sky should do is treat him like all the British journalists and invite him to one of their press days with a promise of 5-10 minutes one-on-one with Wiggins. Kimmage will probably see this as beneath him and turn it down (and if he doesn't film the interview). If he want's more he can work for it like the other journos do.

Could it be the test audiences for Rough Ride (somebody posted a tweet
back in November that Kimmage had seen the "final cut") found it boring
or irrelevant or confusing or obsessively negative? Could it be Mr. Kimmage
was advised to get more film footage of a current super-star cyclist to
make Rough Ride commercially viable?

 

[Digger]

Not sure what's so funny, it's not personal. Just making the obvious point that you ought to separate the view of the journo from the view on his supporters.

Please, in all seriousness, don't blame Kimmage for the faults of people like Digger, it's not fair on him, or the work he's done.

Yeah that's not playing the man or personal at all Martin!!!

 

[martinvickers]

Yeah that's not playing the man or personal at all Martin!!!

it was a message for gooner, not you. No insult was intended. But I do stand by it, and if you don't like that, kinda tough.

 

[frenchfry]

You said that "there are 500 different posters to have posted in one of the sky threads in the last 2 years". (Both pro and con Sky). Nothing to do with Kimmage.
So you want be to find more people than that ridicule Kimmage based on a number completely unrelated to him.

The biggest reaction to Kimmage these days is actually indifference.

Almost $100K of indifference recently. But that is another story...

 

[Digger]

it was a message for gooner, not you. No insult was intended. But I do stand by it, and if you don't like that, kinda tough.

Oh playing the man again tut tut!!!

 

[gooner]

I think Kimmage has called out Roche and Kelly, though it was clearly Walsh who took the public flack on Roche - see famous Late, Late.

Kimmage gets some stuff wrong, but and his manner is sometimes needlessly abrasive, but he's one of the good guys. Please, in all seriousness, don't blame Kimmage for the faults of people like Digger, it's not fair on him, or the work he's done.

Agree Martin.

I'm with Kimmage on most of the big issues in the sport and I think for the majority of time he's well intentioned. Sometimes he goes over the top like his insulting comments to Richard Moore, the guy who runs stickybottle, Owen Slot or what he said to an ordinary fan on twitter. I still can't get my head around the fallout with Walsh and I don't think the issue of Sky is worth it in the wider scale of a long term friendship. I don't have any time for this. I think sometimes there are inconsistencies in his judgement and pointing this out is in reference to Kimmage solely,

Digger and a number of others have overplayed his influence on certain topics in the past and I feel that has to be addressed. I do draw the distinction.

It was the same on the Wiggins topic yesterday with Digger and his magic wand pulling out a quote on Contador and dismissing other ones where he questioned Contador.

I respect Kimmage's work and unlike some on this forum, the respect I have isn't totally for his work on doping in cycling. I love reading his columns every week in The Sunday Independent. I was delighted to see him back at work.

 

[Digger]

Agree Martin.

I'm with Kimmage on most of the big issues in the sport and I think for the majority of time he's well intentioned. Sometimes he goes over the top like his insulting comments to Richard Moore, the guy who runs stickybottle, Owen Slot or what he said to an ordinary fan on twitter. I still can't get my head around the fallout with Walsh and I don't think the issue of Sky is worth it in the wider scale of a long term friendship. I don't have any time for this. I think sometimes there are inconsistencies in his judgement and pointing this out is in reference to Kimmage solely,

Digger and a number of others have overplayed his influence on certain topics in the past and I feel that has to be addressed. I do draw the distinction.

It was the same on the Wiggins topic yesterday with Digger and his magic wand pulling out a quote on Contador and dismissing other ones where he questioned Contador.

I respect Kimmage's work and unlike some on this forum, the respect I have isn't totally for his work on doping in cycling. I love reading his columns every week in The Sunday Independent. I was delighted to see him back at work.

Do you realise what Moore did?

Secondly it's ok for Walsh to fall out with them so?

Finally and as been pointed out by someone else, the comments on Contador were nowhere near as direct as the comment I mentioned...How can you be anymore clear than I don't believe Contador is guilty and I am a big fan of his!!
The other ones you mentioned are just vague political crap

 

[Dear Wiggo]

David Millar.....
He also was the guy who found out about Allen lim...

But other than all that, he's done nothing!
And anyway....Walsh was with sky how long, he didn't even ascertain the tramadol use...didn't ascertain why wiggins' values spiked in 09, accepted without question versions that we know to be inaccurate.

Walsh has been completely blindsided by nutellagate.

 

[martinvickers]

Do you realise what Moore did?

Uncovered his attempt to get a job at Sky? Was that not what that row is about?

 

[RownhamHill]

Got a link for that?

Chapeau!!!

 

[Digger]

Uncovered his attempt to get a job at Sky? Was that not what that row is about?

Absolutely not - god people haven't got a clue.

 

[Digger]

http://stevetilford.com/2014/03/08/bradley-wiggins-is-a-******/

 

[del1962]

Sometimes I think ppl expect sportsmen to be politicians, especially if they ride a bike