Kimmage on Wiggins, Sky

[del1962]

This seems to be totally preplanned to tell Kimmage. Cook up something 'voodoo' to tell him, try and convince the public that something simple gives them a psychological advantage!!!

It is nothing. Wonder who the others are in the peloton who use them....

So you haven't read the interview

 

[Benotti69]

So you haven't read the interview

I have read the interview

 

[Benotti69]

Froome claims to Kimmage not have seen much of Kerrison...

Not what the guardian reported.

Chris Froome's Tour de France success the reward for Team Sky's training
Team Sky's physiologist Tim Kerrison has revolutionised the way their riders prepare for big races such as the Tour de France

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/jul/15/team-sky-chris-froome-tour-de-france

 

[LaFlorecita]

Surprised nobody is picking up on this part of the interview...

Lol nice one

 

[Pack Fodder]

Froome claims to Kimmage not have seen much of Kerrison...

Not what the guardian reported.



http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/jul/15/team-sky-chris-froome-tour-de-france

Froome explicitly said that Kerrison designed the workload, and then passed it to the coaches, one of whom dealt with Froome directly - i think Rod Ellingworth. I don't really see any contradiction there, tbh.

 

[Benotti69]

Froome explicitly said that Kerrison designed the workload, and then passed it to the coaches, one of whom dealt with Froome directly - i think Rod Ellingworth. I don't really see any contradiction there, tbh.

One does not get that impression reading the guardian's interview. Why would he not work directly with guru Kerrison? I mean it was obvious that 2013 was Froome's year?

Not buying any of it. Why doesn't Kerrison phone it in from Australia if he doesn't need to be there and Rod can do it???

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Yes, I know. I asked bc she acts like his mommy.

That sounds Kinky

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Can anyone confirm/add to this list of every treatment he has recieved?

Biltricide/Praziquantel (timeline )
Fluimacil (Barloworld)
Tramadol (2010)
hydrocortisone cream (2011 Vuelta)
Antibiotics: Gabbroral, Azimax, Orfix (2012) (treating Typhoid, Blastocystosis)
prednisone (2014 Romandie)
Leratadine, Salbutamol, Ventolin and Fluticasone (Current)

Food Supplaments and Asthma dosing:

PK: What supplements are you taking?

CF: I take a protein drink, fish oils, energizer greens – a CMP vegetable drink -nothing out of the ordinary. I take Loratadine every day, an anti-histamine that helps me with skin reactions to sun creams and the rubbish that seems to flare up my skin. I take my inhaler every day.

PK: Is that Ventolin?

CF: Ventolin only if I’ve got effort. Fluticasone is a daily one, more a preventative, so I take two sprays.

PK: And it was Ventolin you used in the Dauphine?

CF: Yeah, so that was on the bike before a big effort.
- See more at: http://www.independent.ie/sport/oth...orm-part-2-30394950.html#sthash.ig3ab5v5.dpuf

Missing are any antibiotics for the chest infections, and how he treated Urticaria (hives) outside of the 2011 Vuelta


I too struggle to see how he can be any more clean...

 

[Pack Fodder]

One does not get that impression reading the guardian's interview. Why would he not work directly with guru Kerrison? I mean it was obvious that 2013 was Froome's year?

Not buying any of it. Why doesn't Kerrison phone it in from Australia if he doesn't need to be there and Rod can do it???

I read the guardian article before I posted. There's nothing in it to suggest direct contact , sorry - I think you are reading too much into it. It really doesn't seem to be the 'gotcha' you appear to believe it to be. Everything in it is basically set up as "we" do this, and "the team" does that. there's really no suggestion of Kerrsion HIMSELF meeting up with riders. Sorry.

Kerrison, to be blunt, seems to do most of his work behind a laptop with datasets - he's not a coach at all, really - he's a number cruncher. I think I have read he's done some stage recon with some riders (Wiggins for the '13 Giro?), but if memory serves, the main function of having Kerrsion 'on site' was to allow reasonably close contact with the coaches and Brailsford, not the riders.

Again, going back to the Year in Yellow doc, Sutton was the one talking sh*t to Wiggins as he went up training climbs - Kerrsion was, from what I saw, in a manchester office with Brailsford and Sutton going through computer models and drawing graphs.

 

[Pack Fodder]

Can anyone confirm/add to this list of every treatment he has recieved?

Biltricide/Praziquantel (timeline )
Fluimacil (Barloworld)
Tramadol (2010)
hydrocortisone cream (2011 Vuelta)
Antibiotics: Gabbroral, Azimax, Orfix (2012) (treating Typhoid, Blastocystosis)
prednisone (2014 Romandie)
Leratadine, Salbutamol, Ventolin and Fluticasone (Current)

Food Supplaments and Asthma dosing:


Missing are any antibiotics for the chest infections, and how he treated Urticaria (hives) outside of the 2011 Vuelta


I too struggle to see how he can be any more clean...

Salbutamol IS ventolin. Ventolin is a trade name.

He would only get antibiotics if his chest infection was bacterial, not if it were viral.

 

[thehog]

Given he has to record his whereabouts information in ADAMs, unless someone is entering it for him, every time he logs in he would see a link to his recent test results:

You can see the link there, quite prominent in an otherwise practically empty screen.

When you click on that link you see a list of your most recent tests as so:

I find it incredibly hard to believe that someone logging in to this system would never click on the "my recent tests" link and check out their results.

Natural curiosity is a basic attribute of human beings and aliens alike.

That's gold. Assuming Froome is not filling out his "whereabouts" then?

 

[armchairclimber]

If only he hadn't taken Fluimacil, he might not have to take all the medication for hives/bad skin etc.

 

[TheRossSeaParty]

After reading all this, I have the feeling that Froome is being kept oblivious to the fact that he is doping. In his mind, he has had all these ailments that have kept him from achieving his 'true potential'. With the proper medical treatment, he has been able to cure these ailments and ride at the level he has always imagined he should be riding at. The fact that almost all of the cures for his ailments are doping products is completely missed by him. He just thinks, I have a cold, my asthma is flaring up, I feel sluggish, must be the Bilharzia. Just take some cortisone and I'll be back to normal. And the people around him who know the truth about all these medications, they are happy to keep him blissfully ignorant. I mean, it's not like he is taking EPO and roadside blood bags! Only dopers use those methods, clean riders just take proper medications to clear up any illness that keeps them from dominating the sport of cycling.

 

[Bannockburn]

That's gold. Assuming Froome is not filling out his "whereabouts" then?

No doubt Ms. Cound handles it for him. If she can't even let the guy answer a question without sticking her snout into things, you really think she's going to let him play around in ADAMS?

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Salbutamol IS ventolin. Ventolin is a trade name.

He would only get antibiotics if his chest infection was bacterial, not if it were viral.

Chalk that as another thing Froome doesn't know about his treatment:

CF: And the only ones I mentioned on the form this morning are the ones I’ve mentioned to you: Leratadine, Salbutamol, Ventolin and Fluticasone – the other spray I use.

 

[thehog]

No doubt Ms. Cound handles it for him. If she can't even let the guy answer a question without sticking her snout into things, you really think she's going to let him play around in ADAMS?

True. She knows his "whereabouts" at all times!

 

[Pack Fodder]

Chalk that as another thing Froome doesn't know about his treatment:

It is entirely possible he has obtained it under both names, depending on the country of origin. You can look it up in the WADA database under either name.

 

[Benotti69]

I read the guardian article before I posted. There's nothing in it to suggest direct contact , sorry - I think you are reading too much into it. It really doesn't seem to be the 'gotcha' you appear to believe it to be. Everything in it is basically set up as "we" do this, and "the team" does that. there's really no suggestion of Kerrsion HIMSELF meeting up with riders. Sorry.

Kerrison, to be blunt, seems to do most of his work behind a laptop with datasets - he's not a coach at all, really - he's a number cruncher. I think I have read he's done some stage recon with some riders (Wiggins for the '13 Giro?), but if memory serves, the main function of having Kerrsion 'on site' was to allow reasonably close contact with the coaches and Brailsford, not the riders.

Again, going back to the Year in Yellow doc, Sutton was the one talking sh*t to Wiggins as he went up training climbs - Kerrsion was, from what I saw, in a manchester office with Brailsford and Sutton going through computer models and drawing graphs.

Kerrison supposedly 'revolutionised' the way they train and he doesn't impart this personally. Hmm yeah right.......

 

[thehog]

Kerrison supposedly 'revolutionised' the way they train and he doesn't impart this personally. Hmm yeah right.......

Yes according to Walsh Kerrison is the man.

 

[thehog]

Yes according to Walsh Kerrison is the man.

 

[Pack Fodder]

Kerrison supposedly 'revolutionised' the way they train and he doesn't impart this personally. Hmm yeah right.......

Leaving aside whether I believe in such a revolution in this instance (I sincerely don't), your response is in a general sense actually a bit silly. Sorry.

An obvious worked example - Barnes Wallace is brought into the war effort; and he developed an absolutely revolutionary bomb, and a revolutionary airplane with which to drop it.

Did he instruct the pilot how? Talk to the aluminium manufacturers?

Did he heck! He drew up the maths (literally, in his case, graphs and all) and sent them to the RAF and they did what was needed. His key skill, and key job, was engineering and mathematical. Any time spent explaining to pilots personally was a waste of his actual talents in favour of talents there was little evidence he possessed.

For a talented number cruncher to spend his time explaining the numbers to 'the troops' is going to be a waste of his time in an area - communication - he may have little talent or ability in. It's a basic error of management. And to be honest, I'm a little surprised you would believe it works that way.

 

[sniper]

Leaving aside whether I believe in such a revolution in this instance (I sincerely don't), your response is in a general sense actually a bit silly. Sorry.

An obvious worked example - Barnes Wallace is brought into the war effort; and he developed an absolutely revolutionary bomb, and a revolutionary airplane with which to drop it.

Did he instruct the pilot how? Talk to the aluminium manufacturers?

Did he heck! He drew up the maths (literally, in his case, graphs and all) and sent them to the RAF and they did what was needed. His key skill, and key job, was engineering and mathematical. Any time spent explaining to pilots personally was a waste of his actual talents in favour of talents there was little evidence he possessed.

For a talented number cruncher to spend his time explaining the numbers to 'the troops' is going to be a waste of his time in an area - communication - he may have little talent or ability in. It's a basic error of management. And to be honest, I'm a little surprised you would believe it works that way.

hate to break it to you, but in fact it does work that way.
just ask froome:

Tim was always working with Brad and the more top-end guys.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/oth...orm-part-2-30394950.html#sthash.huSW9my9.dpuf

 

[Pack Fodder]

hate to break it to you, but in fact it does work that way.
just ask froome:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/oth...orm-part-2-30394950.html#sthash.huSW9my9.dpuf

Directly, though?

 

[Benotti69]

Leaving aside whether I believe in such a revolution in this instance (I sincerely don't), your response is in a general sense actually a bit silly. Sorry.

An obvious worked example - Barnes Wallace is brought into the war effort; and he developed an absolutely revolutionary bomb, and a revolutionary airplane with which to drop it.

Did he instruct the pilot how? Talk to the aluminium manufacturers?

Did he heck! He drew up the maths (literally, in his case, graphs and all) and sent them to the RAF and they did what was needed. His key skill, and key job, was engineering and mathematical. Any time spent explaining to pilots personally was a waste of his actual talents in favour of talents there was little evidence he possessed.

For a talented number cruncher to spend his time explaining the numbers to 'the troops' is going to be a waste of his time in an area - communication - he may have little talent or ability in. It's a basic error of management. And to be honest, I'm a little surprised you would believe it works that way.

Yeah, one does wonder if a war situation relates to pro cycling....

But if the coach don't need to be there than why are so many coaches standing on the side of fields why their teams are in play, why not sit at home and phone it in to someone there to do their bidding!

Why does the DS sit in the team car behind the race? Why not in the hotel or better still Paris........

 

[The Hitch]

Yes according to Walsh Kerrison is the man.

What? He says he didn't dope. Wow that is revolutionary journalism from Walsh. How can anyone possibly say they dope when they themselves make clear they are clean.