Kittel Tweet

[Pentacycle]

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 23m
Tour of Turkey, Stage 6, Final Climb (last 2.57 km, 8.60 %, 221 m). Mustafa Sayar: 7 min 34 sec, 20.38 Kph, VAM 1752 m/h, 6.13 W/kg #TUR2013

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 17m
Note: Sayar attacked with 2.57km to go. There was a strong headwind on the climb (Sayar's power output [6.12W/kg] should be higher) #TUR2013

Above the human limit, so he must be doping. Why did we even need Kittel anyways?

 

[JimmyFingers]

Plenty of posters displaying double standards here, firstly being critical of a rider speaking out against another rider based on performance (when that is what is done here) then further qualifying that by accusing him of racism because he's Northern European calling out a Turk when he should be calling out his fellow Northern Europeans (which in itself is vaguely racist).

But of course the real reason is because he's not calling out the riders you want him to call out, so he's picking on small fry, he's a bully all of a sudden, and a coward for not going after the real dopers.

And so a tweet from a German about a Turk in a race they're not riding in becomes about Sky. Frankly that's laughable, but please carry on, it's not my credibility you are making a mockery of.

 

[tweak37]

Plenty of posters displaying double standards here, firstly being critical of a rider speaking out against another rider based on performance (when that is what is done here) then further qualifying that by accusing him of racism because he's Northern European calling out a Turk when he should be calling out his fellow Northern Europeans (which in itself is vaguely racist).

But of course the real reason is because he's not calling out the riders you want him to call out, so he's picking on small fry, he's a bully all of a sudden, and a coward for not going after the real dopers.

And so a tweet from a German about a Turk in a race they're not riding in becomes about Sky. Frankly that's laughable, but please carry on, it's not my credibility you are making a mockery of.

Exactly right.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Why does everyone refer to him as "the turk", even in the media? I mean when we talk about Alberto do we call him "the spaniard" the whole time? Nibali "the italian"?

 

[manafana]

I like that kittel spoke out, even if hes wrong and even if hes picked the easy target, their was silence for too long in sport full stop.

 

[screaming fist]

Quite funny: people anonymously calling Kittel a coward for him callking someone a doper - using his real name.

 

[Netserk]

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 23m
Tour of Turkey, Stage 6, Final Climb (last 2.57 km, 8.60 %, 221 m). Mustafa Sayar: 7 min 34 sec, 20.38 Kph, VAM 1752 m/h, 6.13 W/kg #TUR2013

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 17m
Note: Sayar attacked with 2.57km to go. There was a strong headwind on the climb (Sayar's power output [6.12W/kg] should be higher) #TUR2013

Above the human limit, so he must be doping. Why did we even need Kittel anyways?

That is not above human limit

 

[LaFlorecita]

That is not above human limit

it is according to skyborg fans. Under 6.0 W/kg = clean, above = doping. Sky ride at the human limit.

 

[Netserk]

it is according to skyborg fans. Under 6.0 W/kg = clean, above = doping. Sky ride at the human limit.

That is when it's FTP. This was for 7 minutes......

 

[LaFlorecita]

I like that kittel spoke out, even if hes wrong and even if hes picked the easy target, their was silence for too long in sport full stop.

Right so riders should just accuse other riders without any evidence. Kittel is a **** accusing other riders, playing anti-doping hero I guess he forgot about his UV blood treatment.

 

[LaFlorecita]

That is when it's FTP. This was for 7 minutes......

Yes But now whenever there is someone above 6.0W/kg we say "he's a doper" just for lolz I guess. I think someone can be above 6.0 W/kg even when it's FTP.

 

[Pentacycle]

That is when it's FTP. This was for 7 minutes......

Well, he eased out before the finish and had to tackle a serious headwind. His power numbers must've been higher than that. And it's just nice to call out at anyone above 6 W/kg.

It's not a real exact science though, but it's an indication. The VAM by Sayar over the whole climb was approximately 1730 m/h. I don't know what that's supposed to mean, considering the aforementioned circumstances on the climb.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Quite funny: people anonymously calling Kittel a coward for him callking someone a doper - using his real name.

I don't think it's necessarily cowardice, and of course internet posters under assumed names making the point may be in themselves hypocritical, there can be no denying he's picked a soft target. He won't have to answer to Sayar or his teammates as he won't face them again in 2013, and the guy's on a small team that isn't really in a position to put its weight around either.

That is not to say that Kittel is not right to call them out, however. Remember this gem of a clued-up comment from the Giro a few years ago?

At the Giro, there are only four teams with a tight control system – Slipstream, High Road, CSC and Astana... [Davide] Rebellin and [Riccardo] Riccò, I don't know how often they have controls like me. I don't want to talk about the team of Priamo.

The accuser on that occasion was that well known anti-doping crusader Andreas Klöden. Within that Giro, CSF Group-Navigare (the team of Priamo, as Klöden calls them) were the minnows. They were the little guys, who had no weight to put around and had the dodgy history (Richeze was excluded from the Giro for a positive shortly before the start). And who were riding around in ridiculous fashion throughout that Giro, punching way, way, way above their weight. Klöden, who caught quite a bit of flak from fans at that point for picking on the little guys even though he did also hint at a couple of other ProTour teams (Gerolsteiner and Saunier Duval, with the riders Rebellin and Riccò in particular), called them "the team of Priamo" due to his stage win, but could easily have called them "the team of Sella" (then leading the mountains classification) or "the team of Baliani" (who had been in several breaks with seemingly boundless energy, won the intermediate sprint primes and wound up finishing 12th despite all this). Matteo Priamo and Andreas Klöden had never met nor even bumped shoulders in the péloton, according to Matteo. So why the team of Priamo? Well, it turned out he was the one providing them with CERA.

 

[hrotha]

To be fair to Kittel, he's been more consistent than most pros. He spoke out against the likes of Armstrong and Contador (incidentally, that's the only reason why La Florecita dislikes him: because he spoke some uncomfortable truths).

 

[Netserk]

Well, he eased out before the finish and had to tackle a serious headwind. His power numbers must've been higher than that. And it's just nice to call out at anyone above 6 W/kg.

It's not a real exact science though, but it's an indication. The VAM by Sayar over the whole climb was approximately 1730 m/h. I don't know what that's supposed to mean, considering the aforementioned circumstances on the climb.

And the VAM for Huy is ~2400....

 

[LaFlorecita]

To be fair to Kittel, he's been more consistent than most pros. He spoke out against the likes of Armstrong and Contador (incidentally, that's the only reason why La Florecita dislikes him: because he spoke some uncomfortable truths).

Yes I dislike him since that moment. He's a hypocrite and a ****.

 

[Netserk]

Yes I dislike him since that moment. He's a hypocrite and a ****.

It's only fair to call out Alberto. He has been banned and was a Fuentes client.

 

[Arnout]

To be fair to Kittel, he's been more consistent than most pros. He spoke out against the likes of Armstrong and Contador (incidentally, that's the only reason why La Florecita dislikes him: because he spoke some uncomfortable truths).

That's different though, that was as reaction on presented truth. What Kittel does here is wildly accusing someone for winning. He even claims he saw it, which I doubt.

Just loosely calling random people dopers is not gonna help anything.

 

[Arnout]

It's only fair to call out Alberto. He has been banned and was a Fuentes client.

They even did tests on the butcher and slaughterhouse Contador claims was contaminated. Conclusion was that there was never any clen there...

Contadors current performance is already proof enough to be honest.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 23m
Tour of Turkey, Stage 6, Final Climb (last 2.57 km, 8.60 %, 221 m). Mustafa Sayar: 7 min 34 sec, 20.38 Kph, VAM 1752 m/h, 6.13 W/kg #TUR2013

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 17m
Note: Sayar attacked with 2.57km to go. There was a strong headwind on the climb (Sayar's power output [6.12W/kg] should be higher) #TUR2013

Above the human limit, so he must be doping. Why did we even need Kittel anyways?

Uh no. That's 10% less than Froome for 50% less of the time to finish the climb in a recent climb.

Consider the next person to finish was only 18 seconds behind. Another "nobody".

 

[will10]

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 23m
Tour of Turkey, Stage 6, Final Climb (last 2.57 km, 8.60 %, 221 m). Mustafa Sayar: 7 min 34 sec, 20.38 Kph, VAM 1752 m/h, 6.13 W/kg #TUR2013

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 17m
Note: Sayar attacked with 2.57km to go. There was a strong headwind on the climb (Sayar's power output [6.12W/kg] should be higher) #TUR2013

Above the human limit, so he must be doping. Why did we even need Kittel anyways?

7 minute effort man. 7 minutes.

 

[will10]

Nice reaction from Seeldraeyers here at 25 seconds!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7tmi88HQM-o#t=26s

 

[The Hitch]

That was not what *I* meant. Only if he has some intell on them.

Or riders with obvious links to doping.

Like Nibali?

 

[Netserk]

Like Nibali?

Yes if he has obvious link with doping.

And this is *not*.

 

[The Hitch]

So Torku, a team that actually had a positive case last year and that is looked at with suspicion by the whole peloton, including journalists ("Terrible for the Tour of Turkey that this guy won today. None of us felt like commenting the last ten minutes, it was so obvious.") should not be accused, but Sky which the clinic in all its wisdom has decided is dirty, should? How's that for hypocrisy?

Which "journalists" do you speak of? Their not the same ones who kissed Armstrong's *** for the last decade are they?