Kolobnev positive

[frenchfry]

Ladies and gentlemen, have fun and guess which lame excuse we're going to hear soon.

I'd advise him to learn from the masters, so steak or backdated TUE.

Training to become the Russian version of DSK.

Oops, that excuse only works for steroids, not masking agents.

 

[frenchfry]

It's scary how thin Brad is this year. My youngest brother is 18, five foot ten inches and weighs somewhere around 52kg. He has chronic fatigue syndrome and has been this size for years. Everyone in my family is naturally thin, well guys anyway, whilst in our teens. Wigans is 6'3" last time I checked and Liggett said he was 69kg this year. He looks as skiny as my brother, perhaps more. Here I was thinking they had a test for AICAR, so what the hell did he use this time to shed even more weight than in 2009?

One needs only look at the whole British track program funded the same way as Sky to realise something ain't natural about the noggins on some of those guys and girls.

As for Kolobnev. Shame, I liked him, same with Ignatiev. Pity Katusha have been as useful as a wet paper bag this Tour. As for Russian doping, this is nothing. Their Nordic skiers are the ones you should be taking concern with. Those dopers have been warned to tone down or risk not being allowed to compete in their upcoming home grown Winter Olympics. I've heard things about their blood profiles...stuff that makes cycling look a little too pure and clean by comparison.

I am 188 cm (6'2") and weigh 70kg without being excessively skinny and eating totally normally. 6'3" and 69kg doesn't seem too excessive - it all depends on his morphology.

As to Kolobnev's nationality, I tend to have a bias against eastern nations when it comes to doping - then I look across the Atlantic and realise that virtually all the best American riders of the last decade have either been caught doping, are under investigation for doping, or are lining up to confess to doping. Kind of makes me realise that it isn't fair to single out one nation or region (except French riders of course!!).

 

[blackcat]

It's scary how thin Brad is this year. My youngest brother is 18, five foot ten inches and weighs somewhere around 52kg. He has chronic fatigue syndrome and has been this size for years. Everyone in my family is naturally thin, well guys anyway, whilst in our teens. Wigans is 6'3" last time I checked and Liggett said he was 69kg this year. He looks as skiny as my brother, perhaps more. Here I was thinking they had a test for AICAR, so what the hell did he use this time to shed even more weight than in 2009?

One needs only look at the whole British track program funded the same way as Sky to realise something ain't natural about the noggins on some of those guys and girls.

As for Kolobnev. Shame, I liked him, same with Ignatiev. Pity Katusha have been as useful as a wet paper bag this Tour. As for Russian doping, this is nothing. Their Nordic skiers are the ones you should be taking concern with. Those dopers have been warned to tone down or risk not being allowed to compete in their upcoming home grown Winter Olympics. I've heard things about their blood profiles...stuff that makes cycling look a little too pure and clean by comparison.

they are on the same the AFL players are, the "exercise in a pill" gear, that gets their metabolism up and strips every millimeter of non-functional body mass (in Wigans case, his brain is shrinking too) so you even so Thor Hushovd leaner than he has every been, and losing his cheeks, and Thor aint your Jacky Durand type.

All elite athletes in any sport now are leaner than they ever have been, because in most sports, besides >200 metre swimming, being leaner and smaller for the functional body mass and strength is better, because of the power/weight. Only think about low bodyfat% is the vulnerability to sickness and their health. But on the park, 1kg/2lbs less, at same strength, is usually better.

 

[movingtarget]

So much for, only riders that are winning or getting good results, doping. Kolobnev has not had many good results recently or in the past few years but still on the stuff.

 

[hrotha]

oh Dimspace, so much for the cleanliness of Team Sky, they are as dirty as anyone.

But they don't have the reputation, which is what he was talking about. So there.

 

[nesocip]

So much for, only riders that are winning or getting good results, doping. Kolobnev has not had many good results recently or in the past few years but still on the stuff.

Its true he didnt have the results, but it was more a thing of luck and strategy then his strength. In my opinion he is one of top 10 "hilly" riders, very consistent making him a "top" rider regardless of his palmares.

 

[neineinei]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/11/cycling-tour-katusha-idUSL3E7IB2UD20110711

"He has been sacked and according to internal team regulations he will have to pay Katusha damages for tarnishing the team's image once the case is over," Outschakov said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/11/cycling-tour-kolobnev-idUSL3E7IB2R720110711

Katusha seems to have withdrawn this statement. Now they say:

"Team Katusha rider Alexandr Kolobnev, after testing positive for a diuretic at a medical examination during the Tour de France's first week, decided to suspend himself according to UCI rules, waiting for the B-sample,"

Maybe Outschakov was sacked instead?

http://www.katushateam.com/2011/eng/main.php?mod=news&n=736

"07/11/2011

Alexander Kolobnev suspended himself
Team Katusha rider Alexander Kolobnev, after testing positive for a diuretic at a medical examination during the Tour de France’s first week, decided to suspend himself according to UCI rules, waiting for the B-sample. At the moment, Team management and the rider have no further comment. It has to be noticed that internal rules in Team Katusha say that the rider, if the B-sample also tests positive, he will be fired and will have to pay five times his salary as a fine. The President of the sport group Andrei Tchmil went voluntarily to the police, together with Kolobnev and his room-mate Silin, in order to translate and reinforce the fact that he and the team are not involved to the contested facts."

 

[Anonymous]

Kolobnev denies knowledge of doping product, says not fired by Katusha Read more: ht

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/9...doping-product-says-not-fired-by-Katusha.aspx

 

[El Pistolero]

Let's ban him for 3 years like they are doing with Iljo Keisse

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

Popovych?

anyone think its strange that Popo has just pulled out with a fever? hours after Kolobnec gets busted?

Kolobnev is one of five Russian riders caught up in the Italian police investigation into Dr Michele Ferrari and his links to Lance Armstrong. His medical record and contract were seized by police from Padova in April. (from cyclingnews today)

The seizing of Popo's laptop seemed to be a crucial part of that investigation.

Is there a link? Is popo worried? I seem to remember rumours about Popo being a supplier of sorts.

 

[hrotha]

Popo has been in trouble pretty much since the Tour started. I doubt this has anything to do with Kolobnev, and even if Popo was popped tomorrow we couldn't be sure, since he has his own shady history and investigations to worry about.

 

[craig1985]

No doubt IMO Popo was a doper a few years ago, but if I look at his performances over the last few years, if he has been charging, he has been doing it wrong. I think he went clean after his best mate Bileka tested positive in '08 when they were both on Silence Lotto.

On another matter, who uses the word 'serenity' these days?

 

[uberbiker]

No doubt IMO Popo was a doper a few years ago, but if I look at his performances over the last few years, if he has been charging, he has been doing it wrong. I think he went clean after his best mate Bileka tested positive in '08 when they were both on Silence Lotto.

On another matter, who uses the word 'serenity' these days?

certainly wasnt "strong" enough to give Cadel any help at SL

 

[auscyclefan94]

Seems like the diuretic Shane Warne got caught with is the same stuff that Kolobnev has tested positive for.

I wonder if Kolobnev will get his Mum to testify that it was used to help appearance.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

No doubt IMO Popo was a doper a few years ago, but if I look at his performances over the last few years, if he has been charging, he has been doing it wrong. I think he went clean after his best mate Bileka tested positive in '08 when they were both on Silence Lotto.

On another matter, who uses the word 'serenity' these days?

so what did the police want with his laptop?

 

[Cimacoppi49]

It just doesn't stop. Shut the sport down for two years and let all these guys decide if farm and factory work is better than clean riding.

 

[craig1985]

so what did the police want with his laptop?

Maybe he still had information. Perhaps he is still doping or is back on the program, but his performances would suggest otherwise.

 

[python]

tchmil told eurosport that his rider is innocent until proven guilty.

in another piece of controversy, the former boss of the team (tinkoff) attacked the present boss (tchmil) for wasting money, not signing menchov and generally wrong direction including bringing over the all-russian team...

tchmil fired back via a press release on the team's site.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

No, more like riders like Danilo Di Luca.

Indeed but how is that worse than signing up Neil Stephens, Yates, Zabel, Aldag, Anderson or Holm to run your team?

How is signing DDL worse than signing up Contador, Basso, Rogers, Barry, Valverde, Ballan etc?

Katusha for all of their sins are no worse than any other team in the peloton for doping and hiring dopers. Their biggest crime is having RUS not GBR or USA next to their team name.

 

[luckyboy]

Was it Operation Grial he was involved in earlier this year?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Miche, he will be on the cheap now.

I was wondering about Andalucía-Caja Granada since they have a Vuelta invite and have done absolutely nothing to merit it.




As for the Russian Nordic skiers, yes, lots of suspicion there, plenty of convenient timing (where did Elena Khrustaleva - who has represented Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan - suddenly get those Olympic showings from? Or how about Maxim Maksimov, who has 3 top 5s and 2 podiums in his career, and all of them have been in the World Championships?), but ultimately that's a story for the XC thread (and my examples, as usual, are biathletes, where it's less obvious I guess since things like beta blockers come into it too for the shooting).

 

[Cloxxki]

I was wondering about Andalucía-Caja Granada since they have a Vuelta invite and have done absolutely nothing to merit it.




As for the Russian Nordic skiers, yes, lots of suspicion there, plenty of convenient timing (where did Elena Khrustaleva - who has represented Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan - suddenly get those Olympic showings from? Or how about Maxim Maksimov, who has 3 top 5s and 2 podiums in his career, and all of them have been in the World Championships?), but ultimately that's a story for the XC thread (and my examples, as usual, are biathletes, where it's less obvious I guess since things like beta blockers come into it too for the shooting).

Maksimov shot clean (essential in a championship, try it) and skied really, REALLY slow. Even when racing for the line, he was pedestrian at best. If anything, he was the only clean biathlete at his home world championships. Dozens and dozens of skiers with milder trianing regimes and team selections all skied laps around Maksimov.

I am pretty sure the Russians are just trying to keep up what doping is concerned. Where the top sports nations are a step ahead of the testers, or have good money to place pressure where needed, the Russians are a step behind, and pretty poor.

I Maksimov is suspect, all the Norwegians, Swedes, Germans, etc, are all on much, much more professional doping programs. Poor Russians. It's like their sport is the points race, and they're always the ones cut off the race by the testers.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

In which case at least the Norwegians, Swedes, Germans etc have the good graces to do it all season long so it isn't so suspicious when they pop up to top form at tournament time (this year at Khantiy was pretty much the opposite for the Russians of course, they all had a pretty torrid time except Makoveev and Maksimov). The same goes for the Finnish XC skiers who've been mentioned so many times on the XC thread.

Let's not pretend that the people who are getting caught are victims here. Plenty of comments from within and from outside the sport have commented on it. Either they're the only ones doing it, or everybody else is just more subtle than them.

 

[craig1985]

Indeed but how is that worse than signing up Neil Stephens, Yates, Zabel, Aldag, Anderson or Holm to run your team?

How is signing DDL worse than signing up Contador, Basso, Rogers, Barry, Valverde, Ballan etc?

Katusha for all of their sins are no worse than any other team in the peloton for doping and hiring dopers. Their biggest crime is having RUS not GBR or USA next to their team name.

Who in their right mind thinks that just because you speak English as their mother tongue you are automatically clean, when evidence shows otherwise? It's about as annoying as Ryo claiming all Colombians are clean.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Quite a lot of english speaking journalists give that impression and quite a few fans do too. Which is why BMC, Sky and HTC are able to get away with the **** they pull. There was an article last week (I forget where) which juxtaposed 'squeaky clean HTC' with dirty Saxo. Or the complete free pass that Vaughters is always being given.

You also only need to go and read some of the more mainstream blogs/comment threads in mainstream press to see plenty of fans who have this attitude. The reality is that there are lots of people who look at the passport first before deciding whether they like or dislike a particular rider.

Katusha are no worse than any other team in the peloton when it comes to doping - and I am pretty sure that if they were British, Australian or American they would get a far more favourable press and much more sympathy.