Kreuziger going down?

[Netserk]

For a a large number of guys it stopped after 1998 - and they were angry about all the guys who kept doing it until 2001 when the EPO test came out, and then there were another group of guys who stopped, who then became angry about those who found a way around the old EPO test...then another large group stopped in the 2005-2006 range, as the homologous transfusion test came out and puerto broke - and those guys then became really angry about those guys who tried to keep doping. Then when the passport came out, another group stopped.... and on it goes.

you could call each and every group that once doped and then stopped, hypocrites for being angry about the guys who kept doping. but, in the end, that's how progress is made, not some massive watershed event. takes a while to unravel 100 years of culture.

please, don't oversimplify my thoughts or opinions.

How much cleaner can it get when 85% IIRC already were clean in 2005?

 

[Walkman]

For a a large number of guys it stopped after 1998 - and they were angry about all the guys who kept doing it until 2001 when the EPO test came out, and then there were another group of guys who stopped, who then became angry about those who found a way around the old EPO test...then another large group stopped in the 2005-2006 range, as the homologous transfusion test came out and puerto broke - and those guys then became really angry about those guys who tried to keep doping. Then when the passport came out, another group stopped.... and on it goes.

you could call each and every group that once doped and then stopped, hypocrites for being angry about the guys who kept doping. but, in the end, that's how progress is made, not some massive watershed event. takes a while to unravel 100 years of culture.

please, don't oversimplify my thoughts or opinions.

This is an incredible hard sell since we did not see anything with regards to performance to support that. Unless you mean to tell me that the bottom 25 percent stopped and went clean.

Didn't Contador climbed faster than Lance and Basso in 2007? And you later wanted to hire him…

 

[jens_attacks]

first of all....lol hoggie avatar
second,where is kokoso? someone take care of him plz

kreuziger hmmm definitely disposaple for uci. hopefully that won't stop tinkov to go how they planned for this tour which is full throttle.rogers and roche are enough

the myth that kreuziger was so careful with his preparation since a child seem to vanish...sad

 

[Jspear]

Sounds like they stopped doping and moved their drugs to legal TUEs in races and non-testing during training, yes?

That's the answer.

 

[Digger]

Vaughters estimated about "80-85 percent" of the field is clean

In 2005

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2005/vaughters_1999

 

[JV1973]

Sounds like they stopped doping and moved their drugs to legal TUEs in races and non-testing during training, yes?

TUE's just shouldn't exist, for cycling's own sake. It's open to way too much interpretation to do anyone any good. Just yank the rider out of competition until they get better. as much as that might suck suck (I know, wasp sting thing) it turns out better, long term.

 

[JV1973]

In 2005

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2005/vaughters_1999

I stick by that statement. 100%.

If you take the whole of professional cyclists under employment at that time (Conto, pro-conti, WT) I think that is a valid statement.

Did it apply to the top 10 of the TdF? No. But that wasn't the question I was being asked.

 

[the sceptic]

So, who is investigating the passport? Zorzoli?

 

[blackcat]

For a a large number of guys it stopped after 1998 - and they were angry about all the guys who kept doing it until 2001 when the EPO test came out, and then there were another group of guys who stopped, who then became angry about those who found a way around the old EPO test...then another large group stopped in the 2005-2006 range, as the homologous transfusion test came out and puerto broke - and those guys then became really angry about those guys who tried to keep doping. Then when the passport came out, another group stopped.... and on it goes.

you could call each and every group that once doped and then stopped, hypocrites for being angry about the guys who kept doping. but, in the end, that's how progress is made, not some massive watershed event. takes a while to unravel 100 years of culture.

please, don't oversimplify my thoughts or opinions.

but the 99 dauphine record was incorrectly calibrated on that timeline

only joshing u JV, its about the laffs

 

[JV1973]

why would it raise flags? The BP is so wide when the UCI wants it to be and as narrow as they want!

That it didn't raise flags is not what you were saying before. You blamed the machine.

Clean cycling it sure aint JV. You been selling the sport as 85% clean in 2008 and cleanER since then and that is BS. UCI aint interested in policing doping, just interested in avoiding it a best or using it against teams at worst!

Most fans with half a brain know that the sport did not clean itself up, it just got better with orgainising its programs.

Take Wiggins from grupetto to TdF podium, yeah right. Froome worse than Wiggins to GT Podiums!!! We aint stoopid.

And F##king Millar sh!tting on Floyd while calling Contador clean!

How does Dan Martin beat dopers like Valv or JRod to win a monument FFS!

Hesjedal winning a GT clean. Not possible.

I agree. You should contact Pippa and open an investigation. This clearly could hurt the credibility of the Commonwealth.

 

[murali]

This is not anti-doping mechanism working propoerly.

This is someone in UCI planning to put a rider who didnt perform spectacularly in a suspect period to knowingly aid one specific rider like the good old Lance Armstrong days.

this stinks of corruption. a proper investigation by an independent agency should be able to prove it easily.

Shame on LA-clone and UCI to stoop to such low levels.

look at the timing of each letter, specifically the day that it is delivered to Kreuziger.
once is happenstance, twice in coincidence, third time is definitely enemy action.

 

[blackcat]

In 2005

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2005/vaughters_1999

you beat me to a 99 reference.

well, what do they say about being premature... i dont know, what do they say?

 

[Digger]

I stick by that statement. 100%.

If you take the whole of professional cyclists under employment at that time (Conto, pro-conti, WT) I think that is a valid statement.
Did it apply to the top 10 of the TdF? No. But that wasn't the question I was being asked.

hahaha!!!!!!!!

 

[Liquigas]

Now I understand why he wasn't so good in Suisse when compared to his teammates (Contador, Roche, Rogers) who are all flying.

 

[Digger]

Anyway heads I win, tails you lose...when there are spikes, like Wiggins', it's machine calibration issues....

JV is amazing!

 

[hrotha]

Back to this Kreuziger thingy for a minute if you guys don't mind, should Nibali be worried? He's the only one of Liquigas's Ferrari trio that hasn't been busted yet.

I always thought Kreuziger had been running a very professionalized program since he was like 21, so I'd sooner have expected him to go down for some low-octane product or another. I wasn't expecting a blood thing. Then again, even if you're 99% likely to do everything right and beat the test, it's just a matter of probability.

 

[JV1973]

but the 99 dauphine record was incorrectly calibrated on that timeline

only joshing u JV, its about the laffs

Yeah, I F-ed the guys who quit after '98. being serious. Was not cool at all. they were angry with me. And then, I, in turn was angry with the guys who kept doing it in 2005. A bit ridiculous of all of us. Still, progress isn't always pretty.

dont stress, i like the humor.

 

[hfer07]

Kreuziger is just another irrefutable proof on how wonderful the BioPass works.....

 

[BYOP88]

Back to this Kreuziger thingy for a minute if you guys don't mind, should Nibali be worried? He's the only one of Liquigas's Ferrari trio that hasn't been busted yet.

I always thought Kreuziger had been running a very professionalized program since he was like 21, so I'd sooner have expected him to go down for some low-octane product or another. I wasn't expecting a blood thing. Then again, even if you're 99% likely to do everything right and beat the test, it's just a matter of probability.

Yeah the net must be closing in on Nibbles.

 

[LaFlorecita]

first of all....lol hoggie avatar
second,where is kokoso? someone take care of him plz

kreuziger hmmm definitely disposaple for uci. hopefully that won't stop tinkov to go how they planned for this tour which is full throttle.rogers and roche are enough

the myth that kreuziger was so careful with his preparation since a child seem to vanish...sad

Full throttle is not possible anymore, Jens

 

[blackcat]

Sounds like they stopped doping and moved their drugs to legal TUEs in races and non-testing during training, yes?

not exactly. remember how Jens and Gan/CreditAg/REogerLegeay, they BURIED their drugs by the side of the rode in98.

they dug them up at some time before 2006. But they only used a small proportion of them.

So they dug another hole, and buried them again.

the drugs are almost run out now, and Jens in 42, and almost retired

 

[The Hitch]

All ex-USSR = eastern Europe

Czechoslovakia wasn't in the USSR

For a a large number of guys it stopped after 1998 - and they were angry about all the guys who kept doing it until 2001 when the EPO test came out, and then there were another group of guys who stopped, who then became angry about those who found a way around the old EPO test...then another large group stopped in the 2005-2006 range, as the homologous transfusion test came out and puerto broke - and those guys then became really angry about those guys who tried to keep doping. Then when the passport came out, another group stopped.... and on it goes.

you could call each and every group that once doped and then stopped, hypocrites for being angry about the guys who kept doping. but, in the end, that's how progress is made, not some massive watershed event. takes a while to unravel 100 years of culture.

please, don't oversimplify my thoughts or opinions.

Kreuziger wasn't a pro in during 3 of the turningpoints you identify.

And yet...

So what seems to be missing from your analysis of when people stopped, is when people started. Or in the case of those who didn't dope in 99 but then doped again, in 2000 or after, re-started.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I stick by that statement. 100%.

If you take the whole of professional cyclists under employment at that time (Conto, pro-conti, WT) I think that is a valid statement.

Did it apply to the top 10 of the TdF? No. But that wasn't the question I was being asked.

LOL. Ekimov, Vaughters, and Popovich. World's most clueless Postal teammates. Never saw evidence of anything.

If Saddam were still around, he could hire these clowns as his information ministers.

 

[murali]

This is such a shameful thing by UCI.

This stinks entirely like the way LA* arm-twisted UCI to play by his rules.

Just because Froome got beaten by AC in Dauphine they are doing all this.
pretty sure that clenbuterol in Rogers' sample must also have been doctored by the same group of criminals

such a shameful tactic by those stupid a**holes who dont want to clean up cycling. using CAFD for blackmailing is horrible. Also, look at the timing of all the letters. everything is done so that this card can be played if froome is found to be losing.

If froome ends up winning this tour, i am going to bet that ppl will discuss here how LA and CF are working exactly the same. one claimed cancer, the other claims bugzilla. thts the only difference between the two.



*sorry for using that name, but this stinks exactly the same

 

[hrotha]

Just because Froome got beaten by AC in Dauphine they are doing all this.

Don't be silly, all the letters predate the Dauphine.