Kreuziger going down?

[ebandit]

remember when fat pat tried to do anything.........other than introducing the passport.........?

Mark L

 

[Energy Starr]

Re: Re:

That other sports with big doping problems, Tennis and Athletics to name 2, are looking to introduce the ABP, I would guess it is a smoke screen to leverage better control over the sport.

Athletics introdused the ABP in -09, they have banned many athletes based on it.

Unlike cycling...

Really? Whom?

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

That other sports with big doping problems, Tennis and Athletics to name 2, are looking to introduce the ABP, I would guess it is a smoke screen to leverage better control over the sport.

Athletics introdused the ABP in -09, they have banned many athletes based on it.

Unlike cycling...

Really? Whom?

Kenyans mostly, I guess. Need to show the 'investment' works to a point......

 

[peloton]

Re: Re:

That other sports with big doping problems, Tennis and Athletics to name 2, are looking to introduce the ABP, I would guess it is a smoke screen to leverage better control over the sport.

Athletics introdused the ABP in -09, they have banned many athletes based on it.

Unlike cycling...

Really? Whom?

Well, have a read. (This is the latest updated version, mind, there have been many)
http://www.iaaf.org/download/download?filename=23c1e0bd-d4f8-4c91-941d-6558e4a29091.pdf&urlslug=List%20of%20athletes%20currently%20serving%20a%20period%20of%20ineligibility%20as%20a%20result%20of%20an%20anti-doping%20rule%20violation%20under%20IAAF%20rules

edit.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

That other sports with big doping problems, Tennis and Athletics to name 2, are looking to introduce the ABP, I would guess it is a smoke screen to leverage better control over the sport.

Athletics introdused the ABP in -09, they have banned many athletes based on it.

Unlike cycling...

Really? Whom?

Well, have a read. (This is the latest updated version, mind, there have been many)
http://www.iaaf.org/download/download?filename=23c1e0bd-d4f8-4c91-941d-6558e4a29091.pdf&urlslug=List%20of%20athletes%20currently%20serving%20a%20period%20of%20ineligibility%20as%20a%20result%20of%20an%20anti-doping%20rule%20violation%20under%20IAAF%20rules

edit.

To be fair, still not any real big fish iirc. Olympic champions are not all equal. A women's one from say Russia is like the equivalent of the semi finalists in the 100m. They won't dare take down a real star, one who's impact goes beyond 10 minutes of screen time and into things like the sale of Nikie trainers. Ps is that last comment from dopingnytt sarcastic?

 

[peloton]

Re: Re:

That other sports with big doping problems, Tennis and Athletics to name 2, are looking to introduce the ABP, I would guess it is a smoke screen to leverage better control over the sport.

Athletics introdused the ABP in -09, they have banned many athletes based on it.

Unlike cycling...

Really? Whom?

Well, have a read. (This is the latest updated version, mind, there have been many)
http://www.iaaf.org/download/download?filename=23c1e0bd-d4f8-4c91-941d-6558e4a29091.pdf&urlslug=List%20of%20athletes%20currently%20serving%20a%20period%20of%20ineligibility%20as%20a%20result%20of%20an%20anti-doping%20rule%20violation%20under%20IAAF%20rules

edit.

To be fair, still not any real big fish iirc. Olympic champions are not all equal. A women's one from say Russia is like the equivalent of the semi finalists in the 100m. They won't dare take down a real star, one who's impact goes beyond 10 minutes of screen time and into things like the sale of Nikie trainers. Ps is that last comment from dopingnytt sarcastic?

Well, Benotti claimed Athletics wasn't even on the ABP program, and yet they have been banning many more athletes than cycling, go figure.

Olympic champions are not all equal? Have you watched athletics?

 

[del1962]

JTL wishes he had a rich daddy and a sympathetic national doping agency

 

[BYOP88]

Re:

JTL wishes he had a rich daddy and a sympathetic national doping agency

Shouldn't have pi$$ed away his money on a binge drinking session. I'm sure he'll learn

 

[thehook]

How and why would UCI/WADA take a payment from Oleg? Roman's contract is almost done. So why would Oleg pay more money to keep an athlete who might be done after this contract or renewed at a pay cut? Cmon makes no sense. Oleg is rich and you don't get his cash, making bad money moves.

In the end the ABP is now becoming slowly picked apart. If Roman was to win his case. Then all that money invested in the ABP goes out the window. And the line forms for the lawsuits from athletes who have been banned on ONLY ABP data. So UCI/WADA drop this case and live to fight another day. Wihout facing an onslaught of potential suits.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

Olympic champions are not all equal? Have you watched athletics?

Well its precisely from watching athletics that this obvious conclusion gets reached. The BBC didn't bother to show half the athletics final on their prime time highlights show. Bolt goofing around in the tunnel meanwhile was breaking news that required 10 minutes of analysis each time.

 

[spanky wanderlust]

well, tinkov wants kreuziger for the tour among other races.

i hope more information comes to light about how this all ended.

 

[classicomano]

So now that Roman can explain a 7% bump in his HTC during a GT, does he now have a Golden Ticket to dope to his hearts desire?

 

[cellardoor]

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So now that Roman can explain a 7% bump in his HTC during a GT, does he now have a Golden Ticket to dope to his hearts desire?

Freudian slip? HTC were a clean team don't you know.

 

[the sceptic]

Re:

JTL wishes he had a rich daddy and a sympathetic national doping agency

But the evidence says Kreuziger is clean, so that must mean he is clean. He doesn't need any rich daddys.

JTL on the other hand was a cheater and a doper. Nothing you can do about those people.

 

[burning]

http://kreuzigercase.cz/

I love that how he updated his site right away.

 

[del1962]

Re: Re:

JTL wishes he had a rich daddy and a sympathetic national doping agency

But the evidence says Kreuziger is clean, so that must mean he is clean. He doesn't need any rich daddys.

JTL on the other hand was a cheater and a doper. Nothing you can do about those people.

Yeah it is always nice when your national doping agency supports a clean athlete against the evil WADA

 

[ebandit]

Re: Re:

JTL wishes he had a rich daddy and a sympathetic national doping agency

But the evidence says Kreuziger is clean, so that must mean he is clean. He doesn't need any rich daddys.

doubts if evidence would be enough to stand up to appeal / legal dogfight is hardly evidence of clean....

...........troll on

Mark L

 

[LaFlorecita]

To all the conspiracists:
Why oh why would WADA accept money from Tinkov and drop the case? Or are they corrupt too all of a sudden?

Surely the most obvious reason is that UCI and WADA realized, with the latest info, they weren't going to get him punished at CAS.

 

[mrhender]

To all the conspiracists:
Why oh why would WADA accept money from Tinkov and drop the case? Or are they corrupt too all of a sudden?

Surely the most obvious reason is that UCI and WADA realized, with the latest info, they weren't going to get him punished at CAS.

I don't think money changed hands here...

But I do think that if there was even a 10% chance of losing in CAS it was enough reason to sound the retreat..

Think about what would be worse..

1. Taking a beating now amidst the FIFA scandal taking attention? And live to fight another day...

2. Taking a huge possibly precedental loss in CAS on top of all the flaws of the ABP in focus lately...

Surely option one is preferable...?

 

[hrotha]

On the other hand, if you can't risk taking even infinitesimally dubious cases to CAS, the whole thing isn't very helpful, is it.

It's just the latest example of ridiculous excuses that wouldn't have flown a few years ago resulting in dopers evading a ban, and I do believe it's a worrisome trend.

 

[the sceptic]

Re: Re:

JTL wishes he had a rich daddy and a sympathetic national doping agency

But the evidence says Kreuziger is clean, so that must mean he is clean. He doesn't need any rich daddys.

JTL on the other hand was a cheater and a doper. Nothing you can do about those people.

Yeah it is always nice when your national doping agency supports a clean athlete against the evil WADA

what? you think Kreuziger is a doper or not?

 

[mrhender]

Re:

On the other hand, if you can't risk taking even infinitesimally dubious cases to CAS, the whole thing isn't very helpful, is it.

It's just the latest example of ridiculous excuses that wouldn't have flown a few years ago resulting in dopers evading a ban, and I do believe it's a worrisome trend.

Oh, I agree with this as well...

Kreuziger was if I understand correctly the first with the means to fight such a case really hard.. Maybe that tells us something about the nature of the passport. That it is too open to interpretation and hard to be conclusive when faced with an army of "experts"...

Surely the claim "the system works" is a hollow one to make these days...

 

[roundabout]

I don't remember anyone claiming that the system is broken when Rosendo Prado had his excuse accepted

 

[hrotha]

I don't remember anyone claiming that the system is broken when Rosendo Prado had his excuse accepted

1. We didn't see his values, did we?
2. That was too early to tell.

 

[Netserk]

AFAIK UCI never got as far with the case as they did with Kreuziger.