Lance Armstrong's lawyer: 'Stop leaks'

[Benotti69]

Most people, including me, are looking at the Livestrong kids with suspicion. And not even what they're doing now, but what they'll do when they "get to the next level". When Taylor Phinney suddenly is able to climb, there are going to be a lot of questions.

i am not looking at anyone associated with JB/LA and thinking at all. I dismiss them knowing they are...

 

[Oldman]

Actually this is what I would expect from a good attorney handling a case with very high public profile. If he was sitting on his hands right now, I'd fire him and get a new one. Start managing that reasonable doubt thing really early. If in the end Mr. Armstrong is guilty then I hope he gets his due, but until then, if he has the money to pay for a really good defense, good for him, it's still a free country.

There is a good possibility they (LA & Co) know more than they're saying and the case could be partially established, plea already arranged. Since this is a Federal case it is about alot more than LA. His outward demeanor could suggest he knows, has cooperated and the investigation is moving toward whatever bigger targets it's sights are set on.
Meanwhile some spin must occur to keep the endorsement income credible.

 

[Benotti69]

There is a good possibility they (LA & Co) know more than they're saying and the case could be partially established, plea already arranged. Since this is a Federal case it is about alot more than LA. His outward demeanor could suggest he knows, has cooperated and the investigation is moving toward whatever bigger targets it's sights are set on.
Meanwhile some spin must occur to keep the endorsement income credible.

i somehow don't think LA has played little piggy with the Feds and if he did i imagine those who he squealed about would be out in the press saying how LA controlled everything, pushed Dope on riders, he was the real big boss.etc.etc....

 

[MacRoadie]

i somehow don't think LA has played little piggy with the Feds and if he did i imagine those who he squealed about would be out in the press saying how LA controlled everything, pushed Dope on riders, he was the real big boss.etc.etc....

That and his lawyer wouldn't be out libeling/slandering a federal investigator and prosecutor while those two guys are still busily issuing subpoenaes.

 

[Oldman]

i somehow don't think LA has played little piggy with the Feds and if he did i imagine those who he squealed about would be out in the press saying how LA controlled everything, pushed Dope on riders, he was the real big boss.etc.etc....

It is complete speculation on my part but if he had provided some level of cooperation with Novitsky he would not announce it now. He'd need to maintain a public separation from the issue as he is still selling Armstrong, Inc. While not actively pushing his brand every other commercial during the Tour is about him. Wild-eyed speculation, for sure but I've had that look before.

 

[fatandfast]

You've hit on the key reason why this needs to be investigated right there.

Most people, including me, are looking at the Livestrong kids with suspicion. And not even what they're doing now, but what they'll do when they "get to the next level". When Taylor Phinney suddenly is able to climb, there are going to be a lot of questions.

This "it's in the past" BS is just that, BS. What about the "ancient history" of the team's transfusions kits (last year??).

Total BS. I can appreciate not caring for Floyd. Personally, I knew he was transfusing all along, just like I knew all along that some of what he said was true about a certain rider, so I tend to believe him. But whatever you think of him, and whatever his motivations, what he's attempting to expose needs to be exposed.

I'll say that overwhelmingly, the response among the riders yesterday was pretty positive. I took the time to thank him myself.

Are people really thinking that Armstrong is doing a development squad not because he wants to sell product and keep his cause going, but that he has a secret knowledge of how to micro dose young stars or he wants to perfect an unmarketable secret blood doping machine or book. Livestrong is making money,people all over the world still have yellow plastic on their wrists not because Lance is a swell guy but because the cause is way bigger than him. Lots of racers at this years tour are wearing the yellow strap of love..not for Lance but for a cause they believe in. The non-profit status that most of the big US teams enjoy always has a cause..some causes and spokespeople get more cash than others. When they look into US cycling they are going to find guys like Floyd that have raced for non-profits. They will look at the tax returns of these guys and figure out Lance is about the only guy doing it right. Pick a US team find out how they file the team taxes and lots of answers will come to light. Wait until an apples to apples is done with big US teams and where product goes..bikes ,helmets,shoes,glasses,clothing,food,other junk..everybody has been trading or selling stuff forever. Flandis was just too fukin dumb to notice..no smoking gun. If Lance is flawed..fine that doesn't take Landis out of the human discharge pool rotting in the sun..on the right side banner ad there is a spot for a Livestrong helmet from Giro..the rep said it's one of the best sellers..I wonder what the Landis model looks like? Mellow Johnny's up there also and Trek..what rig is Floyd failing on this week? Simple sour grapes

 

[MacRoadie]

Are people really thinking that Armstrong is doing a development squad not because he wants to sell product and keep his cause going, but that he has a secret knowledge of how to micro dose young stars or he wants to perfect an unmarketable secret blood doping machine or book.

Dunno. Let's ask Chris Comical...

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Are people really thinking that Armstrong is doing a development squad not because he wants to sell product and keep his cause going, but that he has a secret knowledge of how to micro dose young stars or he wants to perfect an unmarketable secret blood doping machine or book. Livestrong is making money,people all over the world still have yellow plastic on their wrists not because Lance is a swell guy but because the cause is way bigger than him. Lots of racers at this years tour are wearing the yellow strap of love..not for Lance but for a cause they believe in. The non-profit status that most of the big US teams enjoy always has a cause..some causes and spokespeople get more cash than others. When they look into US cycling they are going to find guys like Floyd that have raced for non-profits. They will look at the tax returns of these guys and figure out Lance is about the only guy doing it right. Pick a US team find out how they file the team taxes and lots of answers will come to light. Wait until an apples to apples is done with big US teams and where product goes..bikes ,helmets,shoes,glasses,clothing,food,other junk..everybody has been trading or selling stuff forever. Flandis was just too fukin dumb to notice..no smoking gun. If Lance is flawed..fine that doesn't take Landis out of the human discharge pool rotting in the sun..on the right side banner ad there is a spot for a Livestrong helmet from Giro..the rep said it's one of the best sellers..I wonder what the Landis model looks like? Mellow Johnny's up there also and Trek..what rig is Floyd failing on this week? Simple sour grapes

I think you have an amazing grasp on your hate and alternate reality.

Lance built his brand and marketing empire on the backs of super-doped teammates, a better personal response to EPO and other compounds, and a complicit governing body.

The whole of it is a sham. What other teams do/did, riders do/did, sports do/did are wholly immaterial.

The issue is one of organized and systematic doping that enhanced results and broke sporting rules and natl and intl laws, and provided the platform to defraud the US federal govt.

Not liking Floyd, how well he races, what a better use for his bikes, or the air he breathes, make not one iota of delta. Not a one.

I think you can't handle the truth that your god is false, and his supposed "good works" are built on the backs of doped bike racers, complicit sponsors, and has been personally enriched through fraud and cancer "donations".

It is like the kid on Christmas, finding out from his cousin that St. nick is fake, then attacking his cousin with a machete (or shoving a Madone in his front wheel).

Tell you what, strip away your personal issues with Floyd and confront the facts about the Lance lie. The sooner you do, the easier it will be for you release your own buried guilt and resentment about being a Lance fanboy, and then maybe you can move on, better for the process.

 

[Benotti69]

It is complete speculation on my part but if he had provided some level of cooperation with Novitsky he would not announce it now. He'd need to maintain a public separation from the issue as he is still selling Armstrong, Inc. While not actively pushing his brand every other commercial during the Tour is about him. Wild-eyed speculation, for sure but I've had that look before.

No he wouldn't announce it. But i imagine it would leak to those who he had squealed/fingered and boy they would be going to town on his pinky bottom through the media and probably find that threats would be coming thick and fast...i think he is riding the TdF tot he end for a number of reasons. Stalling for time. Trying to get his PR machine rolling to limit the damage from this. Trying to keep sponsors onside for as long as possible and get money out of them. He might not even go back stateside directly after the tour if he can find a reason to race again to stall for time to see how it is playing out and cover tracks.

 

[Benotti69]

It is like the kid on Christmas, finding out from his cousin that St. nick is fake, then attacking his cousin with a machete (or shoving a Madone in his front wheel).

Hang on just one minute. LA doped and is not the real deal. I can get that, BUT and this is a BIG BUT! are you saying that Father Christmas dopes too. WTF!!!No way, his reindeer maybe need a little something to get in the air because the sled is so heavy, but so do all reindeer. THe BIG GUY IN RED is pure man. You hate Xmas and love cancer.

 

[BikeCentric]

Hang on just one minute. LA doped and is not the real deal. I can get that, BUT and this is a BIG BUT! are you saying that Father Christmas dopes too. WTF!!!No way, his reindeer maybe need a little something to get in the air because the sled is so heavy, but so do all reindeer. THe BIG GUY IN RED is pure man. You hate Xmas and love cancer.

"You can't do Christmas on only milk and cookies! Anyone who can't put two and two together about what goes on on Christmas Eve is beyond my help." - St. Nick

 

[SaftyCyclist]

Are people really thinking that Armstrong is doing a development squad not because he wants to sell product and keep his cause going, but that he has a secret knowledge of how to micro dose young stars or he wants to perfect an unmarketable secret blood doping machine or book. Livestrong is making money,people all over the world still have yellow plastic on their wrists not because Lance is a swell guy but because the cause is way bigger than him. Lots of racers at this years tour are wearing the yellow strap of love..not for Lance but for a cause they believe in. The non-profit status that most of the big US teams enjoy always has a cause..some causes and spokespeople get more cash than others. When they look into US cycling they are going to find guys like Floyd that have raced for non-profits. They will look at the tax returns of these guys and figure out Lance is about the only guy doing it right. Pick a US team find out how they file the team taxes and lots of answers will come to light. Wait until an apples to apples is done with big US teams and where product goes..bikes ,helmets,shoes,glasses,clothing,food,other junk..everybody has been trading or selling stuff forever. Flandis was just too fukin dumb to notice..no smoking gun. If Lance is flawed..fine that doesn't take Landis out of the human discharge pool rotting in the sun..on the right side banner ad there is a spot for a Livestrong helmet from Giro..the rep said it's one of the best sellers..I wonder what the Landis model looks like? Mellow Johnny's up there also and Trek..what rig is Floyd failing on this week? Simple sour grapes

Can I just add that Alex Dowsett who's on the Livestrong squad is a hemophiliac, theres absolutely no way he's messing with his blood, he's not an idiot. He has to carry a kit which basically saves his life in an emergency with him, all panic broke loose when he crashed in a track league once and got cut up, ambulance was there incredibly quickly.
This makes me think that perhaps Armstrong's methods don't have much influence across this whole squad, a guy with a pre-existing blood condition is going to notice and recognise the equipment, so it's not a systematic team doping programme there. Phinney's twitter comments are disturbing though.

 

[Benotti69]

"You can't do Christmas on only milk and cookies! Anyone who can't put two and two together about what goes on on Christmas Eve is beyond my help." - St. Nick

Say it aint so, please say.....

 

[Deagol]

..... Phinney's twitter comments are disturbing though.

For those of us who do not go on Twitter, can you elaborate?
thanks

 

[SaftyCyclist]

For those of us who do not go on Twitter, can you elaborate?
thanks

His total confusion over his stance on doping, with the same individuals, there's another thread on it. It's like something's happened to change his mind on it all.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=8856&highlight=phinney

 

[Oldman]

No he wouldn't announce it. But i imagine it would leak to those who he had squealed/fingered and boy they would be going to town on his pinky bottom through the media and probably find that threats would be coming thick and fast...i think he is riding the TdF tot he end for a number of reasons. Stalling for time. Trying to get his PR machine rolling to limit the damage from this. Trying to keep sponsors onside for as long as possible and get money out of them. He might not even go back stateside directly after the tour if he can find a reason to race again to stall for time to see how it is playing out and cover tracks.

That'll be interesting and we'll know soon enough. It's not like he's going to be the toast of the Late Night shows after this Tour so he has time on his hands.

 

[dbrower]

Landis is a complete chump. He lies,races like shhit,ruined another team due to his antics.

Why does anyone think Landis ruined the Bahati team? OUCH added sponsorship money and didn't take any away that was already there. Where was the net loss to Bahati from Landis/Kay/OUCH's involvement? It appears to me that Bahati got another few months of it's original management formation out of Landis' involvement, postponing the reckoning, not causing it.

puzzled.

-dB, fat, sweaty, and slow.

 

[sliceofpy]

[/B]

That'll be interesting and we'll know soon enough. It's not like he's going to be the toast of the Late Night shows after this Tour so he has time on his hands.

That's because the Late Night shows love cancer.

I still don't see LA turning over for this. PR machine revved up, and "he likes his credibility." I see him fighting tooth and nail, sliming his way out of this and announcing Palin/Armstrong 2012 in the middle of his grand jury deposition.

 

[velosopher54]

Lance must be wondering at this point why he didnt just pay Floyd off when he was being difficult or give him whatever else he wanted when he was threatening to expose him. Why didnt he? He stood up to him and now he's going to be dragged the the mud in a Federal investigation. lol ....

Why didn't he? Because he is a narcissist who has come to believe his own lies, the myth he has surrounded himself with. He probably is still in disbelief that 'anyone would dare turn him in.'

Lance often stays in Europe after le Tour, that isn't unusual, though he may stay a bit longer this time....

 

[fatandfast]

I think you have an amazing grasp on your hate and alternate reality.

Lance built his brand and marketing empire on the backs of super-doped teammates, a better personal response to EPO and other compounds, and a complicit governing body.

The whole of it is a sham. What other teams do/did, riders do/did, sports do/did are wholly immaterial.

The issue is one of organized and systematic doping that enhanced results and broke sporting rules and natl and intl laws, and provided the platform to defraud the US federal govt.

Not liking Floyd, how well he races, what a better use for his bikes, or the air he breathes, make not one iota of delta. Not a one.

I think you can't handle the truth that your god is false, and his supposed "good works" are built on the backs of doped bike racers, complicit sponsors, and has been personally enriched through fraud and cancer "donations".

It is like the kid on Christmas, finding out from his cousin that St. nick is fake, then attacking his cousin with a machete (or shoving a Madone in his front wheel).

Tell you what, strip away your personal issues with Floyd and confront the facts about the Lance lie. The sooner you do, the easier it will be for you release your own buried guilt and resentment about being a Lance fanboy, and then maybe you can move on, better for the process.

Are you channeling Jack Nicholson? Handle the truth..no I probably can't. First the rules of the sport and it's history are there. Okay it's corrupt go to law school...If you have been at any level of cycling the pavement is the only thing that can grind the scum off of Landis or clean his epidermis of his sins. His T-shirt TT proves again that he is a player. This time intent on giving even the few people that showed up to see him less than their money's worth. He needs a reason for attention..look at my funny clothes..I am not like everybody else. He is right only a few people have had their title taken. There is no bicycle cross to be nailed to Floyd so just try and not to make a joke out of Cascade!! ABC should show his lack of prep or professionalism. The clown rides again this time in a T-shirt. If his conduct is that a Pro US rider then our fed should be cleared out. If he is able to start in clown wear, the race should be called because the officials are high. Everybody is his puppet..he needs the a hard hook. All the other guys trying to race and keep their job and sponsorship need not be props in his youtube dikvideo. He is bringing down US cycling with his unprofessional public race T-shirt sjhit. If he starts a mass start event and no rider takes action then all is lost. Cancel Cascade..you promised a pro level race. Start the Giro, Tour or any other Calender event in mockery and you would have been in an ambulance by now. Maybe he can wear John Daly pants for stage 2

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Are you channeling Jack Nicholson? Handle the truth..no I probably can't. First the rules of the sport and it's history are there. Okay it's corrupt go to law school...If you have been at any level of cycling the pavement is the only thing that can grind the scum off of Landis or clean his epidermis of his sins. His T-shirt TT proves again that he is a player. This time intent on giving even the few people that showed up to see him less than their money's worth. He needs a reason for attention..look at my funny clothes..I am not like everybody else. He is right only a few people have had their title taken. There is no bicycle cross to be nailed to Floyd so just try and not to make a joke out of Cascade!! ABC should show his lack of prep or professionalism. The clown rides again this time in a T-shirt. If his conduct is that a Pro US rider then our fed should be cleared out. If he is able to start in clown wear, the race should be called because the officials are high. Everybody is his puppet..he needs the a hard hook. All the other guys trying to race and keep their job and sponsorship need not be props in his youtube dikvideo. He is bringing down US cycling with his unprofessional public race T-shirt sjhit. If he starts a mass start event and no rider takes action then all is lost. Cancel Cascade..you promised a pro level race. Start the Giro, Tour or any other Calender event in mockery and you would have been in an ambulance by now. Maybe he can wear John Daly pants for stage 2

Better check your facts <dunce hat handed directly>.

Official would not let him race in anything but a plain uniform. Thus, he raced in the only plain thing he had: a t-shirt....a only dropped :19 seconds.

Channel your anger elsewhere, lest ye pop like a full tick. Full of mis-placed rage.

 

[fatandfast]

Better check your facts <dunce hat handed directly>.

Official would not let him race in anything but a plain uniform. Thus, he raced in the only plain thing he had: a t-shirt....a only dropped :19 seconds.

Channel your anger elsewhere, lest ye pop like a full tick. Full of mis-placed rage.

Facts are as follows..you can't race unattached as a pro..period. Your logos must match the team of record. He is a complete tool. He needed to start a team within the federation..period if he wants Cat1 status ask for it. He thought he was more important than he was when his credentials were checked his shiny new Jersey and skinsuit were DOA. Rules have been slightly changed. This is a throwback to having a guy in a plain jersey go off the front and some team block for him and everybody is wondering why. He is a Pro not a Cat1 or Nat team member. He is a convicted doper and recently was a no show for a couple of big races> His previous team is blown..everything he does is suspect. The guy can't even get the uniform right..come on? All other races that need high quality racers have composite teams..most premier events have some solo spots open but teams are the way they flesh up the race. Any official that doesn't hold him to the letter of the rule book could be liable when he crashes the pack while posing for ABC or when he says that he saw doping when he shouldn't have been in the race. His claims are against racers and racing he should be looked at as broken glass. I am not sure where you work but if a guy shows up out of uniform it is a reason to look at him. Unless a fireman in a bikini is your thing...Or a school teacher dressed as Gene Simmons..just a reason to look
F Landis

 

[BroDeal]

The best part of Landis coming forward is watching the haters go full ***. You cannot buy entertainment this good.

 

[MacRoadie]

The best part of Landis coming forward is watching the haters go full ***. You cannot buy entertainment this good.

I can't bear to put anyone on ignore...this **** is golden...

 

[fiftyfootorange]

Why didn't he? Because he is a narcissist who has come to believe his own lies, the myth he has surrounded himself with. He probably is still in disbelief that 'anyone would dare turn him in.'

Lance often stays in Europe after le Tour, that isn't unusual, though he may stay a bit longer this time....

You know why he didnt pay him off? Because he did not have to, and will never have to pay anyone off. Honestly, the worst thing that is going to happen to Lance is he is going to have another blemish on his record. If they can get Armstrong to admit to anything or even prove anything it would be miraculous. But even if they had proof, he would most likely end up not guilty.

You know why? Because you do not gain the sort of popularity that he has without making many many friends. A related example: A little over a year ago Steven Gerrard (captain of Liverpool FC, one of the biggest football teams in England) was caught on film beating a man up completely unprovoked in a club. ON FILM! Even though there was video evidence and witnesses, he still walked out with a not guilty verdict because he was tried in Liverpool. No one in their right mind would have voted guilty if they valued their life.

And in this case, we arent talking about video evidence. If they do not bring up incontrovertible evidence that Lance used something illegal then he gets off the hook. I dont mean silly little testimonies either. It is going to take DNA samples which I am sure could easily be destroyed with a simple phone call courtesy of the Shack. And for every person that wants to testify against lance, I am sure he has about 10 willing to put in a good word for him.

Why people are even wasting their time with this is beyond me. Its great to see tax dollars at work on something so pointless.

Perhaps if Lance was being tried in europe, he might be in trouble, but not in the US. You do not become a household name in this country without making a few friends in high places along the way.