Lance conducts 24th doping control

[Shogun]

That's right: 24 "random" doping controls, according to his Twitter account.

This time they took urine, blood, and hair samples.

This has to get tiring at some point, eh?

 

[Stani Kléber]

He annouced his comeback in September. So 24 tests means less than once a week on average.

Given he also announced he'd work with Don Catlin but later scrapped these plans, a once a week control should not be that tiring for someone used to training and racing in a gruelling sport.

 

[Shogun]

I wonder how many doping controls other top riders have had to submit to so far this year. It seems the vampires are following Lance everywhere he goes, which I don't find entirely surprising, but still interesting.

 

[Jarvis]

His twittering has become tiresome.

As for dope testing; when was his first test, has he actually done 6 months of testing yet and why did he sack Catlin? - As above

Shogun, you do realise that those Twitter things could be made up? I mean, it's not as if he manipulates the media now is it?

 

[Shogun]

His twittering has become tiresome.

I have an account specifically following pro riders only, so I will sometimes post any interesting tweets I come across.

 

[mainemike]

Lance has already flunked for corticioids & EPO in July 1999 alone.

Caught with cow blood bags, IVs and insulin in July 2000.

Pharmstrong has NEVER been drug tested by Don Catlin (as promised in his Cancer pension plan annuity comeback marketing effort) nor tested for:

exogenous testosterone
female fertility hormones
daily micro dosing of EPO
cow blood spinners (Actovegin, Hemopure, Polyheme)
insulin/glucose
hGH
Viagra
Prozac
Pot Belge

LIVE WRONG is a pharmacy fraud!

you are a dope

 

[Shogun]

Shogun, you do realise that those Twitter things could be made up? I mean, it's not as if he manipulates the media now is it?

Seeing how I wasn't born yesterday, of course I realize that his tweets could be made up.

However, considering they've followed riders on vacation across Europe, I really wouldn't be surprised if he has been tested that many times.

I find it amusing either way.

As an aside: Do the CN forums have its first official troll?

 

[mr. tibbs]

I think the reason he's giving so many samples for tests is b/c he's desperate to lose body mass before the Giro. Turns out Lance is a BIG dude when he's not on the cyclist/supermodel health regimen.

 

[Jarvis]

A troll? Not at all, just an opinion.

 

[Shogun]

A troll? Not at all, just an opinion.

Oops. I should have clarified, Jarvis... I didn't mean you were the troll!

 

[Jarvis]

Oh, you mean our angry Paddy Smith?

Well, you have the lovers and the haters, Armstrong is a bit like Marmite and some people - who quite frequently have some reference to the US in their username - get a little upset by this.

 

[Shogun]

Speaking of trolls...

 

[cody251]

I wonder how many doping controls other top riders have had to submit to so far this year. It seems the vampires are following Lance everywhere he goes, which I don't find entirely surprising, but still interesting.

Any way to find out? I've wondered how much others have been tested for some time now. Also, who tests? It seems different authorities at any given time.

From Twitter: Chris Horner on Feb 26th says "That's #9 since the start of December." Yesterday Taylor Phinney wrote " was woken up to USADA today... Didn't you guys come 3 days ago?? Yeah, I thought so. I think that might be number 10 in '09" Levi on Feb 24th "Now I'm getting tested at home by USADA, probably my 10th test in 10 days combined with #ToC"

Its' probably the money, at least female cyclist Liz Hatch might think so: "USADA testing. As a team VK has only had 2 tests in 3 years. How do I look at that? Women=clean or bigger fish to fry?"

 

[Tom Morris]

It means nothing. Many of the substances that are used are not detectable. Others are not detectable if they are used in many small doses instead of a large single does. The big thing is blood transfusions with your own blood, and there is no test for that.

Armstrong ran away from Catlin's tester when he came to test him. That is more indicative of what he is doing than any propaganda posted on twitter.

 

[Henri Desgrange]

But he's the 'most tested athlete in the world' Surely he's had more dope controls than that? Mind you he ignores the results of the ones he doesn't like though doesn't he? Like the EPO one from the '99 Tour, or just gets a TUE.

 

[cody251]

It means nothing. Many of the substances that are used are not detectable. Others are not detectable if they are used in many small doses instead of a large single does. The big thing is blood transfusions with your own blood, and there is no test for that.

Wouldn't the blood passport and HC level tests indicate autologous blood transfusions?

 

[Stani Kléber]

Not, there are ways around this.

Better would be to take the HC blood tests "on the start line", ie in the race start when riders sign on, rather than in stupid early morning raids. That way if someone's infused a lot just before the start, the alarm bells can start ringing.

I know several Bouygues riders signed a letter calling for an end to the UCI's early morning "Vampire" tests, saying they were easy for cheats to avoid, because if the rider is controlled at 6am and the race starts at midday, that's six hours to infuse blood cells, for blood doping. Sadly the UCI didn't even reply to the letter.

 

[Tom Morris]

Wouldn't the blood passport and HC level tests indicate autologous blood transfusions?

What bio passport? The bio passport is nothing more than a sham at this point.

Lst year, with very little data, the AFLD was able to target and bust 20% of the TdF's stage winners. The UCI has taken thousands upon thousands of samples and not managed to bust anyone.

In 2007 Anne Gripper was able to target and bust most of Astana's star riders. She did it with very little data. In fact, at the end of the season, it turned out that the UCI had done very very little OOC testing at all. Still she managed to catch people.

The bio passport has taken so many samples that it should be expected that some riders would test positive by accident or screwing up, just like they do on race days. But nothing.

The passport will be used to scapegoat a few riders while providing a cover story for the rest. If people think such a program run by the UCI will be effective then they are delusional. If you want an effective and comprehensive testing program, it needs to be run independently of those who can profit from the sport whitewashing its doping problem.

 

[180mmCrank]

Big yawn...

 

[Angliru]

Its' probably the money, at least female cyclist Liz Hatch might think so: "USADA testing. As a team VK has only had 2 tests in 3 years. How do I look at that? Women=clean or bigger fish to fry?"

Forum rule #25: Any references to Liz Hatch must be accompanied by her photo. Forum ban is the result if these conditions are not met.

 

[Angliru]

If you want an effective and comprehensive testing program, it needs to be run independently of those who can profit from the sport whitewashing its doping problem.

Excellent point!

 

[Anonymous]

on the flip side.. the life of a cyclist and the constant testing...

right now, right down a list of where you will be, for one hour every day for the next three weeks... every time that changes, make a note, make sure you are there for that one hour (and work doesnt count.. a cyclist work would mean out on the road).. try doing it for a week when you are going away on holiday, so you need to write down the hotel address and make sure you are there that hour every day...

it must be a right royal pain in the ****.. yes, i know its there job, and they are on the whole, paid fairly well to do it.. but i dont even know where im going to be for 1 hour at any one time tomoro, let alone a week on friday..

yes they need to be tested, i am wholeheartedly behind that.. but if id been tested 10 times in 6 weeks, on the eleventh time i would probably be "christ.. wernt you only here the other day" as well...

 

[unsheath]

Big yawn...

This was obviously a doping thread. If it doesnt interest you, dont read it. Pretty simple.

 

[Rice Daddy]

you are a dope

Herr Schmidt's remarks are spot-on.

How soon before the 'hair' starts hitting the fan?

 

[Angliru]

I wonder how many doping controls other top riders have had to submit to so far this year. It seems the vampires are following Lance everywhere he goes, which I don't find entirely surprising, but still interesting.

Shogun, why don't you look into this and get back to us with your findings?

Would you prefer no doping controls at all? Riders doping themselves up without fear of detection? Why are the people that are simply doing their jobs in testing the athletes referred to with such a negative moniker as "vampires"? It would seem that, as mentioned earlier, Armstrong would be getting tested even more had he not backed out of his "full disclosure" testing plan.