Lance offered donation to USADA

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Tom375 said:
I see where your coming from with this but even if he hasn't got a trail (say it was just a phone call) Its TT's word against LA's - At this stage who are you going to believe? I don't think LA will be suing for defamation its not like he hasn't got previous for offering large sums of cash to supposedly independent governing bodies.

Either way i suppose whatever evidence TT has that this happened he didn't feel it was strong enough in 2004 to reveal this offer had been received, that says a lot about the way LA and cohorts operated and if they could intimidate organisations such as USADA just imagine what it felt like to the Betsy Andreu's & Emma O'Neill's that got in the way. Fly swotting!

"We like our credibility." Oh, wait . . .
 
alanshearer said:
It may have already been pointed out, but didn't Armstrong seek and obtain from Tygart a declaration that he used in the SCA case?

Yes, he did.

Next question: Was Tygart deposed, or did he just provide a statement.

Next question: Had he been deposed, was the alleged offer before or after the deposition?

Next question: If it was before the deposition, did the SCA Attorney or Herman, in cross, ask Tygart about offers to donate to the USADA?

Next question: What would Herman had done had he been asked?

Dave.
 
Race Radio said:
That is not me. One of his deranged groupies is all over the internet posting as me.

If you see Race Radio in the comments sections of anything on line it is not me

You are Internet famous! What are you going to do with your semi-anonymous-celebrity status? Demand a table at CacheCache and then stiff them on the bill?

Voice of Eric Cartman: "I'm Race Radio Dammit! Give me a table!"
 
Tom375 said:
..that says a lot about the way LA and cohorts operated and if they could intimidate organisations such as USADA just imagine what it felt like to the Betsy Andreu's & Emma O'Neill's that got in the way. Fly swatting!

Regarding the potential for a donation, IMHO, it "poisons the well" in the worst case scenario. Best case scenario, it buys complicity like it did with the post-cancer treatment Hospital donation and others.

Anyone taking a he-said-she-said doubting Tygart is just pretending.
 
Oct 16, 2009
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del1962 said:
It is a real shame that someone feels the need to abusively impersonate RR on the internet, if they disagree with him they should engage in honest discussion rather than this pathetic impersonation.
There are no sane people on Armstrong's side anymore.
 
Oct 21, 2012
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DirtyWorks said:
Regarding the potential for a donation, IMHO, it "poisons the well" in the worst case scenario. Best case scenario, it buys complicity like it did with the post-cancer treatment Hospital donation and others.

Anyone taking a he-said-she-said doubting Tygart is just pretending.

Bolded was what I was trying to say maybe I didn't express it well as got a bit of abuse for these posts - anyways obviously completely agree. I think I said somewhere that it was classic chess tactics - they couldn't lose on this move.
 
D-Queued said:
Anymore?

Dave.
I think there's actually a few who will be digging up yellow bracelets from their rubbish drawers. Whatever nonsense their object of worship utters will make them warm, fuzzy, and believing again. It's not about the truth, but what the message stands for. We still think he'd be our kids' favorite unkle. There's a new baby boy on the way, let's call him La....Luke. Else, the smart kids will pick on him for no reason at all.

He really ruined a whole generic first name, didn't he?
http://names.mongabay.com/male_names.htm
#245 and droppin' like a brick...
 
May 18, 2009
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Race Radio said:
That is not me. One of his deranged groupies is all over the internet posting as me.

If you see Race Radio in the comments sections of anything on line it is not me

Awww, man! :mad:

I read your "comments" in that article and spit coffee on my computer at work yesterday. You had elevated yourself up several rungs on my hero ladder with those comments, now I see it wasn't you.

You sure are making a habit out of deflating myths. :cool:
 
May 26, 2010
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Cloxxki said:
I think there's actually a few who will be digging up yellow bracelets from their rubbish drawers. Whatever nonsense their object of worship utters will make them warm, fuzzy, and believing again. It's not about the truth, but what the message stands for. We still think he'd be our kids' favorite unkle. There's a new baby boy on the way, let's call him La....Luke. Else, the smart kids will pick on him for no reason at all.

He really ruined a whole generic first name, didn't he?
http://names.mongabay.com/male_names.htm
#245 and droppin' like a brick..
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That is evidence of how he is viewed by the public. He aint gonna recover, no matter what he does.
 
Jun 16, 2012
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I still wonder why he thought he should spend more on the USADA then on UCI. Though of course total cash to UCI and related individuals could have been any number between zero and $$$$.
 
reginagold said:
I still wonder why he thought he should spend more on the USADA then on UCI. Though of course total cash to UCI and related individuals could have been any number between zero and $$$$.

The declared donations totalling $125K aren't the real news, despite their totally inappropriate nature.

As you point out, what would be really interesting to know is how much went directly into Verdruggen's and Fat Pat's pockets.
 
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frenchfry said:
The declared donations totalling $125K aren't the real news, despite their totally inappropriate nature.

As you point out, what would be really interesting to know is how much went directly into Verdruggen's and Fat Pat's pockets.

Might even be trackable payments from consulting agreements put in place with sponsors in Wonder's extended family of supporters. They all seemed perfectly aligned in the same show for so long....
 
May 26, 2010
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reginagold said:
I still wonder why he thought he should spend more on the USADA then on UCI. Though of course total cash to UCI and related individuals could have been any number between zero and $$$$.

We only know that he gave the UCI 100K, he might have given more? He used his jet to travel with PEDs why not cash?
 
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Race Radio said:
That is not me. One of his deranged groupies is all over the internet posting as me.

There must be legal precedent taking this clown to task for identity theft... if you can find a way to get/force a site to confirm the poster's identity that is...
 

mountainrman

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You guys need to accept that Tygart is playing a masterful game of manipulating media and all is not quite what it seems. I take both sides with a pinch of salt.

If there had been verifiable substance to the claims of attempted "donations", it would have appeared in the reasoned decision as a footnote alongside the UCI donations, and the fact it did not, demonstrates that is probably just hearsay. That is: Tygart did not take the call, and whoever did is not willing to put it in writing - so there is clearly a question mark over who said what.

Tygart is playing media games some of them serious. For example when he says "it was a low time for him, when Armstrong was given the same chance and refused it"

Read the transcripts and just is not so.
Like him or hate him, LA was given no real opportunity at all.

It was 2nd june that USADA first contacted LA attorneys, and after some bouncing of times a telecon did not take place till 6 june - a wednesday.
It is stated that LA was abroad at that time.

Whatever was said on the attorney telecon it becomes clear that the only basis on which USADA would meet with LA at all was with precondition of a total confession before any indications of strength of evidence, which his attorneys rightly rebuffed , it is also clear that USADA were demanding literally immediate meeting when LA attorneys rightly said - he is abroad, and since it has taken USADA 10 years to get this far, why the need for such ridiculous speed.

In any event 6nd june when the attorney speaking was a wednesday the charging letter was out at the beginning on Tuesday 12th, which would have taken at least a day or more to prepare. and throughout that period LA was abroad.

So all that was given for diplomacy was thursday friday of that week, aSo no time was given at all for negotiations leading to LA confession, nor any attempt made to persuade.

If Tygart had wanted LA to confess - then it is simple - he would have agreed to meet "off the record" with no "preconditions" and summarized what he had in the "amoury", and would try to persuade LA that he might as well come clean, and hint at the lighter sanctions he might expect if he did, and what would happen if he did not.

He would also have waited a week or two if needs be to ensure such a meeting - after a decade, who really cares? and given it a couple of attempts to arrange it.

It is clear from the actions of USADA, that not only did he not do that, Tygart did his best to railroad and frustrate it.

In short - Tygart is a media manipulator too. 60 Minutes should have been more agressive at finding the truth begind the Tygartisms. "LA given opportunity" stated again in the 60 min interview is simply not true in any realistic sense.

IN short - my suggestion is take everything you read with a degree of cynicism. Not just that from the LA camp.
 

mountainrman

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Benotti69 said:
..you write as trolling for your hero Wonderboy.

Read the facts Benotti - read the transcripts of the dialogue between USADA and LA. They are facts - and as you know, I have not and have never supported Armstrong. I am a fan of justice, not LA.

The facts is Tygart is manipulating media. You cannot assume what he says is the whole truth...and in the case of the "LA opportunity" - it is not even an approximation to the truth - disregarding even the dialogue the timeframe proves he did not attempt to get LA to confess. So I certainly question the veracity of the "attempted donation" because it smells on the question of "why has this only surfaced now?"
 

mountainrman

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frenchfry said:
Good for Tygart for using the media to further the cause of USADA. He should do more of it.

I agree Tygart has to win the media war and public opinion too - but BECAUSE of that, you have to take care to read between the lines of what he says - you cannot assume it is quite what it seems.

As in politics, you can assume your "favourite politician" is being just as creative, dirty and twisting the truth as your political enemy.
 
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mountainrman said:
<...more trolling on behalf of a fraud, doper, bully and founder of a fraudulent charity.....>

Where were you when wonderboy was doping as a Teenage triathlete?

Where were you when wondeboy was telling teammates that they were getting killed by others and need to dope more on Team Motorola?

Where were you when DZ was told he had to dope?

Where were you when Emily O'Reilly was called an alcoholic *****?

Where were you when Betsy wa called a fat, jealous psychotic *****?

Where were you when Mike Andersons dreams were stolen then crushed?

Where were you when Bassons was told to f*ck off out of the sport?

Where were you when Simeoni was told the same?

Where are you now when LieStrong are telling people they are 'fighting' cancer so please donate?

You are full of it.

Tygart is a David fighting a Goliath and boy are his stones hitting the bullsyes.