Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[issoisso]

I only just noticed he names Andy Rihs too.

 

[BroDeal]

The danger for Armstrong is if the tabloid press turns against him or sees a potentially juicy story. They could dig out all sorts of details that show his nasty side.

 

[theswordsman]

I wish I got the coverage, would be entertaining to hear Phil and Paul explain this away.

It hasn't worked well for me the past two days, but Phil and Paul also do the coverage on the tour tracker at the Tour Of California website. They're the first feed to go live each day around 2:00 PST.

http://tracker.amgentourofcalifornia.com/

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I have to admit I was wrong when I claimed that surely Levi's positive would resurface in the news to make Radioshack look bad during the Tour of California

It turned out to be a whole new level

Isn't 'Bottle' staring down the barrel of 8 years for a second offense?

On another thought - what are RadioShack the sponsor going to do??

 

[blackcat]

I imagine we will be reminded that Landis is an admitted and disgraced doper. That he is a bitter man who is seeking revenge. They will not accept that the man upon who's shoulders they now stand could be mired in such shlt. They will not in any way talk about the substance of the allegations or in any way apply an objective lens to this situation.

Hopefully the fact that this has hit the mainstream media in a very big way will counteract the spin. I hope that we can get some truth on the matter (which may be a sign of my naivete).

I cant see the meedja no longer playing stenographer to StrongArm's press releases and Public Strategies, gonna take more than that.

(yes, there was a double negative for rhetorical flourish)

 

[theswordsman]

On another thought - what are RadioShack the sponsor going to do??

I just asked myself that question about their stock.

 

[python]

wow, what a pleasure to wake up to such a news. barely was able to catch up with the thread.

any chance the sca case now can get re-opened ? don't know of any legal mechanisms myself but guessing if the fed was involved (as someone astutely noted) there should a way.

 

[Cobblestones]

The news is hitting Europe. ekstrabladet (danish) le figaro (french) (swedish)

 

[Epicycle]

I cant see the meedja no longer playing stenographer to StrongArm's press releases and Public Strategies, gonna take more than that.

Ari Fleischer?

 

[La Vie Claire]

From the ESPN interview:

He added that he has no documentation for many of the claims he is making about other riders or officials, and that it will be his word against theirs.

None of this is going to matter soon.

How's the view down there with your head in the sand?

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

Can someone explain the time frame for the statute of limitation that Floyd refers to please? Is it right that its 8 years for anything to do with WADA or UCI or USADA? Is there a possibility of criminal charges and whats the statute of limitations on them?

Floyd needs someone to back up his statement in public, otherwise this will go the same way as other revelations that have slid off the teflon texan. All it would take is a media character assassination job on Floyd. So, who can talk without jeopardizing their current career or risking a prison sentence?

 

[blackcat]

I just asked myself that question about their stock.

short Shack, buy Public Strategies

 

[issoisso]

Isn't 'Bottle' staring down the barrel of 8 years for a second offense?

On another thought - what are RadioShack the sponsor going to do??

The same thing most of the american media will do: Pretend nothing happened and that these are just the deranged ravings of a lunatic.

Now, since a few different riders read here, and even post, I wonder if Mr. Landis will be doing the same.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Thinking about this:

1. Money, from Quasi-Federal agency in USPS, goes buying illegal drugs/medicines, for years. Probable Felony
2. Pressure to dope from within team (dope or you got no job), owned to some extent by LA. Felony
3. Inquiry extending into Livestrong? seems to be a logical next step. Novitzski was an IRS prosecutor, IIRC. Just read he is FDA? hmmm... a drug angle? DEA and FBI seem the more equipped.

This all adds up to a very bad series of issues to have to answer for under penalty of perjury. Bad indeed.

Wow. Just, wow.

 

[python]

stature of limitation applies to those federation that harmonized to WADA code that is UCI as well.

 

[Cerberus]

I imagine we will be reminded that Landis is an admitted and disgraced doper. That he is a bitter man who is seeking revenge. They will not accept that the man upon who's shoulders they now stand could be mired in such shlt. They will not in any way talk about the substance of the allegations or in any way apply an objective lens to this situation.

Hopefully the fact that this has hit the mainstream media in a very big way will counteract the spin. I hope that we can get some truth on the matter (which may be a sign of my naivete).

Well objectively speaking I'm not sure that this would be wrong. There is a lot of evidence that Armstrong doped, but without confirmation an unsupported allegation by Landis doesn't add much. We already have 2 allegations, an EPO positive (well 7), suspicious blood values, suspicious performance jumps and more. If that doesn't convince you why would an allegation from a bitter, broken, convicted doper do it? Of cause it will get a lot of press and it could snowball if anything can be corroborated, someone else decides to come clean or if a criminal investigation is started, but as it is it shouldn't convince anyone who isn't already convinced.

 

[python]

Thinking about this:

1. Money, from Quasi-Federal agency in USPS, goes buying illegal drugs/medicines, for years. Probable Felony
2. Pressure to dope from within team (dope or you got no job), owned to some extent by LA. Felony
3. Inquiry extending into Livestrong? seems to be a logical next step. Novitzski was an IRS prosecutor, IIRC. Just read he is FDA? hmmm... a drug angle? DEA and FBI seem the more equipped.

This all adds up to a very bad series of issues to have to answer for under penalty of perjury. Bad indeed.

Wow. Just, wow.

+1
that's why i wonder if sca would want to reopen their case against armstrong.

 

[blackcat]

Ari Fleischer?

no, I think the MSM and tabloid are gonna turn on him, like they turned on Marion Jones, Barry Bonds.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The same thing most of the american media will do: Pretend nothing happened and that these are just the deranged ravings of a lunatic.

Now, since a few different riders read here, and even post, I wonder if Mr. Landis will be doing the same.

Nooo.... Floyd has played Lance at his own game.

He appeared to email a group of people together and was sending it on to the media.

There is mud flying in all directions - everyone will be too busy trying to avoid the hit - Floyd has done this quite well, divide and conquer.

 

[flicker]

I imagine we will be reminded that Landis is an admitted and disgraced doper. That he is a bitter man who is seeking revenge. They will not accept that the man upon who's shoulders they now stand could be mired in such shlt. They will not in any way talk about the substance of the allegations or in any way apply an objective lens to this situation.

Hopefully the fact that this has hit the mainstream media in a very big way will counteract the spin. I hope that we can get some truth on the matter (which may be a sign of my naivete).

I think outside the inside world of cycling and my guess only 8 percent of us want to see doping ended.

The outside world really just wants to see the spectacle. That goes accross the board to all sports.

In football and baseball (US)fans love dopers. Cycling fans seem more sophisticated.

 

[Publicus]

Well objectively speaking I'm not sure that this would be wrong. There is a lot of evidence that Armstrong doped, but without confirmation an unsupported allegation by Landis doesn't add much. We already have 2 allegations, an EPO positive (well 7), suspicious blood values, suspicious performance jumps and more. If that doesn't convince you why would an allegation from a bitter, broken, convicted doper do it? Of cause it will get a lot of press and it could snowball if anything can be corroborated, someone else decides to come clean or if a criminal investigation is started, but as it is it shouldn't convince anyone who isn't already convinced.

I agree. I think the difference will be the training journals/diaries. It all depends on what is in them.

 

[Wallace]

This is so beautiful. We've had a great Giro, and now this. Landis dragging them all down. It's magnificent. I love this sport.

 

[Cobblestones]

More and more coverage: Dagbladet (Norway) (Dutch).

 

[BroDeal]

Armstrong is an idiot. He should have made good on the suggestion that FLandis might be hired by RS. Just as he has Livingston as a pet at Mellow Johnny's, he should have kept Landis close.

 

[Cerberus]

I agree. I think the difference will be the training journals/diaries. It all depends on what is in them.

That would certainly count for a lot, but is there anything to suggest that such training journals existed? If I was doping I wouldn't write down anything that could be used against me.