Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[Eyjafjallajokull]

We don't know much yet, but it seems like this was released by a third party, not Floyd. Nice try.

Thehog claimed he is living on a couch. One draws conclusions.

?? This personality shares the same disregard for fact as the others. You just made that up.

Again, our great source, thehog, claimed that he does not mention Armstrong. It's all about how he, Landis, doped - bad for Armstrong but not as bad as all that.

Definitely not good though. I don't know why anyone would like to have the ignorant public and media, who don't understand how doping was critical for GC, to bring someone down. That's just me though.

 

[Race Radio]

This story can't be true, everyone knows Floyd can't write. Even BPC can spell better then Floyd.

I am thinking he had a ghost writer, maybe Hamilton he went to college?

 

[Race Radio]

How does this make any sense? If Landis wanted to blow the lid off, why would he send a letter to some cycling official talking about doping that occurred 4 years ago? Why wouldn't he just go on Larry King again?

Because he is trying to get his fine reduced?

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

How does this make any sense? If Landis wanted to blow the lid off, why would he send a letter to some cycling official talking about doping that occurred 4 years ago? Why wouldn't he just go on Larry King again?

I suppose he was on Larry King with his lawyer just a few weeks back, defending himself to the hilt and attacking the "drug trafficker" who set him up in court, he claimed. Would look really bad to go on there and just admit it was a pack of lies.

I don't know if he leaked this letter himself to CN, on the basis that they say it was a third party, but it would sort of make sense. This is hater central on the internet - real life people who have made it their role in life to bring down Lance are allowed to be based here, and thus are viewed sympathetically by the CN management. He knew they would likely run the story.

 

[Berzin]

Landis' credibility right now is absolutely ZERO.

Whatever he has to say, no one will believe him. The whole episode with his doping defense and the call his agent placed to Lemond, ridiculing Greg about the abuse he suffered as a youngster speaks volumes to his lack of credibility.

If Floyd rats anyone out, he will have to begin with himself and explain why he took his lie to such incredible lengths with the court case and that stupid book he wrote. Then Allen Lim will be next, because there is no way he dopes without this guy's assistance.

These things have to be addressed first before he even gets to what everyone is thinking he'll say about his time with Bruyneel and Armstrong.

I highly doubt this is going to be the bombshell everyone thinks it is.

I just found out about this 5 minutes ago and it's already boring beyond belief.

If Floyd does tell all (whatever that means) he'll go down as the Jose Canceco of cycling-a crackpot without a shred of integrity while the cycling version of Mark McGuire, Lance Armstrong, remains firmly entrenched in his position of influence and power.

Thank goodness for the Giro D'Italia.

 

[scribe]

How does this make any sense? If Landis wanted to blow the lid off, why would he send a letter to some cycling official talking about doping that occurred 4 years ago? Why wouldn't he just go on Larry King again?

Thinking along the same lines.

 

[Race Radio]

I think we can all agree there is nothing to this. Floyd once said he had never seen, or even talked about, doping in his years as a Pro. Certainly this has to be a hoax

 

[richwagmn]

Oh my goodness **** is going DOWN. Armstrong better get his lawyers on the phone pronto, because he is going to have to sue the **** out of someone.

Ummm no. You can bet team LA is going to engage in a full on media blitz if his name is in the letter. With the US media' hard on for LA, it'll probably be buried in a few days.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Some have speculated that Lance's hush money may have dried up, or never appeared

But there is somebody else who has come into a lot of money recently.... the revenge?

 

[thehog]

Thehog claimed he is living on a couch. One draws conclusions.



Again, our great source, thehog, claimed that he does not mention Armstrong. It's all about how he, Landis, doped - bad for Armstrong but not as bad as all that.

Definitely not good though. I don't know why anyone would like to have the ignorant public and media, who don't understand how doping was critical for GC, to bring someone down. That's just me though.

The way to get Armstrong is not to attack him but those around him.

My understanding there was a meeting at Gila to which Floyd explained what he was about to do.

Some may suggest the sober ToC press conference was an indication of what was coming up.

Still think all of this won't come to much but interesting to see the Lance fans here dropping their guard admitting they know the great man was a doper.

This is good for cycling. I'm keen to move on once Armstrong is gone. Give me back my sport.

 

[BroDeal]

Good for FLandis. I have said before that if he sets up a Floyd Fairness Fund, version 2.0 to help with legal bills over coming clean that I would donate.

Coming clean and describing to the world the systemic nature of doping in cycling is the only path to redemption. The alternative is to live the rest of his life as a scapegoat. I hope he is prepared to give a detailed chronological account of what happened throughout his time in Europe.

I also hope that he has been in contact with Hamilton...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

How does this make any sense? If Landis wanted to blow the lid off, why would he send a letter to some cycling official talking about doping that occurred 4 years ago? Why wouldn't he just go on Larry King again?

This is why I said that the letter CN have was not sent to them by Landis.

You're absolutley right - if he was going to blow the whistle he would hardly pick an online cycling publication to do so when he could probably earn a lucrative deal from a US network.

 

[thehog]

This is why I said that the letter CN have was not sent to them by Landis.

You're absolutley right - if he was going to blow the whistle he would hardly pick an online cycling publication to do so when he could probably earn a lucrative deal from a US network.

Disagree. Get the story out there first and wait for the offers. At this point nobody wants to speak to him. In one week he'll be picking through the six figure sums.

 

[131313]

This could explain why Armstrong has been hard to be around the last few days.

Were is trust but verify when you need the "Truth"?

Yeah, that about nails it. This was actually supposed to come out on Monday, but I think legal wrangling has already begun. The wheels on this were set in motion weeks ago, with supposedly day 1 of the ToC to be d-day. I figured it would never see the light of day, but there are a couple of guys in the bunch who are pretty uptight, to say the least!

Personally I find it really funny. And they can all kiss my a$$.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

This has been suspected for a while. At least that he'd snap. I hope for Floyd's sake he can find peace by doing this, and I think that's why he went to USAC or USADA with it (if true). Reading his book, and from people I know who have talked to him, one comes away with the feeling that at his core he's still a simple farm boy from rural Pennsylvania, even if he doesn't live a Mennonite lifestyle, going to church everyday, etc. anymore.

You can take the boy out of the country, but you can't take the country out of the boy.

As to fingering LA or USPS or Phonak, etc. I don't see that getting a lot of traction. It would be he said/he said, and Floyd is the one who came up positive, and is widely viewed as being troubled, a liar, desperate, etc. Let's hope whatever he did say to USADA(?) it was more about himself, and whatever info he gave about widespread doping in cycling is verifiable. If not, it's just more hearsay verifying widespread doping we all already know exists.

Either way, if it's true, and you're reading, thank you Floyd for finally telling the truth. It's never too late.

 

[barn yard]

let me tell you guys how this will pan out.

leaked doc starts internet frenzy
flandis attempts to drop people in the sh*t
people have powerful friends
money changes hands in many directions
flandis looks stupid again
internet frenzy stops
forum people await next frenzy

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

This is why I said that the letter CN have was not sent to them by Landis.

You're absolutley right - if he was going to blow the whistle he would hardly pick an online cycling publication to do so when he could probably earn a lucrative deal from a US network.

Or CN's leak has just ruined his special deal with Larry King or 60 minutes!

It is very strange. Just a couple of months ago he was reportedly trying to hack into the French lab and a warrant was sent out for his arrest.

Strange guy.

 

[VeloCity]

The CN subheader says "Letter claims of widespread drug use". If it's legit, this ain't just about Floyd coming clean about his own doping, and surely Floyd knows that just making unsubstantiated accusations won't hold water (not to mention will get him sued, and I think the last thing Floyd is looking for right now is to be sued).

Course, anything about doping at Phonak would hardly be revelatory.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Disagree. Get the story out there first and wait for the offers. At this point nobody wants to speak to him. In one week he'll be picking through the six figure sums.

Hmmm, you are probably more correct - especially with 131313s post saying this was a known event.

The only thing is - why a 'letter' to 'senior Cycling official', why not just say I saw this and that and did this and that? (of course this could be a way to corroborate the story)

 

[Galic Ho]

Or CN's leak has just ruined his special deal with Larry King or 60 minutes!

It is very strange. Just a couple of months ago he was reportedly trying to hack into the French lab and a warrant was sent out for his arrest.

Strange guy.

That was 3 years ago, not a couple of months back.

 

[Cobblestones]

It could make sense, I think he was (is) close to snap.

What I don't understand is the CN article. Either you have it confirmed, then you publish the letter. Or you haven't, which means you keep tight. What's the point of the article then?

 

[BroDeal]

As to fingering LA or USPS or Phonak, etc. I don't see that getting a lot of traction. It would be he said/he said, and Floyd is the one who came up positive, and is widely viewed as being troubled, a liar, desperate, etc.

This depends on the level of detail. An intricately detailed account that names names and explains events will be believable to many people. Sure the Hog and Armstrong will deny it and call FLandis a liar, but a juicy story will always stick like mud.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

The CN subheader says "Letter claims of widespread drug use". If it's legit, this ain't just about Floyd coming clean about his own doping, and surely Floyd knows that just making unsubstantiated accusations won't hold water (not to mention will get him sued, and I think the last thing Floyd is looking for right now is to be sued).

Course, anything about doping at Phonak would hardly be revelatory.

Maybe he has some special info on T-mobile?

I guess when I wake up tomorrow there will be some clarification on this. I'm more interested in what's going down on the road tomorrow at the Giro and ToC. The Giro especially. (Plus have a TT tomorrow night!)

Nite, nite.

 

[Cobblestones]

This depends on the level of detail. An intricately detailed account that names names and explains events will be believable to many people. Sure the Hog and Armstrong will deny it and call FLandis a liar, but a juicy story will always stick like mud.

I agree. A story with lots of details (some of which could be confirmed such as travel dates, dates of meetings, phone records, etc.) would sound convincing.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

It could make sense, I think he was (is) close to snap.

What I don't understand is the CN article. Either you have it confirmed, then you publish the letter. Or you haven't, which means you keep tight. What's the point of the article then?

They're definitely sure it's real so can't wait a moment to go public with something, hence the article, but at the same time they feel it's only proper to hold back all the info before they get some type of response from Armstrong and his people. And the US commitee thing.

I bet you that is it. Everything will be up in a few hours.