Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[Roland Rat]

Neil Brown is the guy answering the questions. I assume he's just using someone else's account to reply.

 

[Tangled Tango]

And that, for me, is the most significant part of Landis's accusations. The accusations against individual riders probably won't amount to much, since there's no way to prove it (except by measuring the size of Hincapie's ears). But the corruption allegations should lead to a inquiry and house-cleaning.

The problem is it´s been well documented that Lance has padded countless pockets through the years including an undisclosed but hinted $500 K to the UCI. Talk about conflict of interest. Still nothing ever came of it. I doubt anything will this time. Lance and JB will destroy him with lawsuits as they´ve always tried to do to anyone or any press that alleged doping. It´s going to get ugly for Floyd. His only hope is if some of the X-Postal team speak up. Won´t hold my breath on that.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Your link to the full one doesn't work..have another?

You were the one who said there was a discrepencey... I checked the IM and there is none that I can see, so have you a link or are you going off memory?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

if there are any photos, Armstrong's attorneys (and attorneys for anyone else being accused) will have those photos as soon as the legal precedings begin - with sufficient time to respond.

They will have them through discovery. They're the ones filing a lawsuit. Floyd is entitled to discovery as well, or did you not think of that?

Floyd can release those photos through the media and they will do 1000 times the damage done in court.

 

[Roland Rat]

[Comment From Guest Guest: ]
When will Landis provide information on how riders have eluded the tests? The legitimacy of that info could help to back up his claim. Thursday May 20, 2010 2:23 Guest

2:25 Ariel Helwani: Neil Browne: He didn't tell me, but a lot of it is common knowledge among riders and USADA. A very recent case was with Freal of BMC, who had been taking EPO for several years and been testing clean and getting away with it. But he got lazy and got caught.

 

[Boeing]

Lost in all this mess is the fact that brodeal got the sticky

word

 

[Roland Rat]

[Comment From Mark Jordan Mark Jordan: ]
Is this his full list, or is talking about others? Thursday May 20, 2010 2:25 Mark Jordan

2:25 Ariel Helwani: Neil Browne: That's all he's seen.

 

[buckwheat]

FL will need some corroborative support. Someone like Hamilton coming forward soon will be very very damaging. His words, by themselves, will be difficult to mete past the initial sensationalism.

Who on USPS/Discovery subsequently tested positive?

His words are hardly "by themselves" unless you're living in wonderland.

 

[--oisin--]

Does anyone know if Pat's claim that for the early 2000s (before WADA) any drug test result was sent from the Lab directly to the governing federation AND the IOC?

 

[santacruz]

Were Bahati and him drinking whiskey the night before he decided to release this stuff??

 

[US Patent Exploding Cyclist]

I'm hoping that this can be seen through to the end. It will be incumbent upon the US media to continue to run this story until all the details are know to be true.

I just hope another high profile athlete or entertainer does not have a story come out over the next few days that will trump this. If that happens it is very likely the heat will subside, and there will not be enough pressure on all parties involved. The media over here has ADD when it comes to scandal.

 

[Publicus]

The journal corroborates only (likely) that he was doped.

If his claim is that he started a systematic doping program in 2002, then it would be part of his 2002 journal, no? Also, the diary aspect may be more telling. If he relates the stories that are included in his email, then he has a contemporaneous record of the conversation that can be entered into evidence against Lance (statement against interest) over his (Lance's) hearsay objection.

I'm not saying this is a slam dunk, it will all depend on how consistent he was with the training journals/diaries and how much information is involved. It stops being about Floyd and starts being about what information is in that contemporaneous record.

 

[eleven]

They will have them through discovery. They're the ones filing a lawsuit. Floyd is entitled to discovery as well, or did you not think of that?

Floyd can release those photos through the media and they will do 1000 times the damage done in court.

That's the point - these alleged photos will not come as some courtroom surprise ala bad American television. They will come as publicly released photos or as part of the discovery process.

Who are the ones filing a lawsuit, by the way?

 

[Boeing]

Who on USPS/Discovery subsequently tested positive?

His words are hardly "by themselves" unless you're living in wonderland.

There is always Heras as well

 

[Oncearunner8]

I want to see why Cancellara came back from California in early 2009, after the prologue which he had won. Supposedly he was sick. I thought it was to make a test go away. Thread I started on thise was closed quick smart by Susan.

Yes there was some talk of this before. IT just happens to go away like some other rumors. Must have been something to it.

 

[Roland Rat]

From the ToC:
@johanbruyneel: There was a huge crash, with Chechu and Lance involved. LA had to abandon and is going to the hospital for Xrays.

 

[Roland Rat]

[Comment From dana dana: ]
do you think the feds might be able to help in finding that second shoe person? Thursday May 20, 2010 2:29 dana

2:29 Ariel Helwani: Neil Browne: Yes.

 

[Anonymous]

It may not be popular to say this, but I think Landis is severely lacking in critical thinking skills. If he had any at all, he'd have been able to figure out that this isn't going to work. If he had any at all, he wouldn't be in this position to begin with.

Everyone he names is going to sue the hell out of him; and, in addition to the personal reputations at stake, there are the corporate interests: the companies that sponsor cycling in general and the implicated riders in particular. They and their money and their publicity machines won't like this. At all.

The only way I can see this having any real impact is if the U.S. Congress holds hearings because of it, subpoenas those concerned, and then catches them out in perjury. Cycling isn't really considered an American sport - it isn't very much on the radar, in terms of national interest - so I doubt that's going to happen.

Landis is a drowning man clutching at everyone around him. He hopes to drown them all, as though doing so could somehow save him. I doubt it will.

Edit: On second thought, though, Landis might experience something worse than being sued by everyone: after the initial brouhaha, he might be merely ignored. I am screaming at the top of my lungs and no one hears me. Like that.

Um, you obviously have not used ANY critical thinking skills. Armstrong will not sue. In a civil case, "preponderance of the evidence" is the burden of proof, not "beyond reasonable doubt." The Uniballer knows that he can't take this to court. Its why he shut down his sue happy nature several years ago. Kristin is not covered by spousal privilege anymore, and can be compelled to testify. Landis wants to be sued by Armstrong at this point. He appears to have said so in his email to Armstrong. The reason being that in a civil action, Armstrong has to balance the scales his way, and I don't think could. He will wage a media campaign against Floyd and nothing else. The question is whether there is grounds for an indictment on criminal charges in either the US, France, or Spain as Landis' allegations involve conduct within those countries.

 

[Roland Rat]

From the ToC:
@johanbruyneel: There was a huge crash, with Chechu and Lance involved. LA had to abandon and is going to the hospital for Xrays.

How convenient

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

From the ToC:
@johanbruyneel: There was a huge crash, with Chechu and Lance involved. LA had to abandon and is going to the hospital for Xrays.

I'm not surprised to see Lance abandon one bit. I bet he wants to get away from the race as fast as possible.

 

[eleven]

Somewhat related, Armstrong is on the way to the hospital after crashing out of ATOC.

 

[Juan Pelota]

You were the one who said there was a discrepencey... I checked the IM and there is none that I can see, so have you a link or are you going off memory?

I'm going off the book, From lance to landis.. but i don't have it on me..iirc there was a snippet of the convo that went like this

jv Lance was giving Floyd a real hard time during the tour 2005

fa he did great

jv he did it without any extra blood too

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

That's the point - these alleged photos will not come as some courtroom surprise ala bad American television. They will come as publicly released photos or as part of the discovery process.

Who are the ones filing a lawsuit, by the way?

I don't think anyone will file it, but if anyone does, it'll be Armstrong's group. Why would Floyd file?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

certainly hope you are right...but I doubt it as just which official is going to look into this? Fat Mcquaid is already out there bull****ting and sliming and the media will follow...again tho, I hope you are right and I am wrong...

WADA & USADA have already stepped up to the plate - the IOC have been silent so far, but expect them to cut one of their newest members (PMcQ) loose. "Sorry Pat, Cycling is a small sport..."

Pat was in a position before to deny deny deny as he was the great anti-doping crusader, but now he is potentially the accused.

The IOC will let WADA look in to the UCI.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Somewhat related, Armstrong is on the way to the hospital after crashing out of ATOC.

Did he fall on his a$$? Is Polish ok?