Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[Anonymous]

I can't believe what I've just heard on Newstalk.ie.

McQuaid dropping the Armstrong denier phrases - "most tested athlete" and "never tested positive"

Fat knows where his paycheck, the real one, comes from...

 

[eleven]

Well, do you think possession and distribution of controlled substances, if proven, is an offense that deserves jail? Because that's what our legal system currently thinks.

again, there is zero evidence of possession and distribution of controlled substances in the US. you may as well say he should charged for second degree murder.

 

[thehog]

I can't believe what I've just heard on Newstalk.ie.

McQuaid dropping the Armstrong denier phrases - "most tested athlete" and "never tested positive"

Protecting his biggest commodity. I’m sure there are other cyclists who wish they got the same support from Pat.

 

[gjdavis60]

Where is the evidence of possession of a controlled substance in the US?

Distribution?

Conspiracy?

Racketeering?

Methinks you are just tossing charges against the wall of public opinion in the hopes that one sticks.

The implication of these allegations is that these illegal practices are widespread and systemic within the entire pro cycling industry. This means that is it highly likely that the criminal activity described in the one leaked Landis email is not limited to Europe. US law enforcement would be completely justified to initiate an investigation of illegal drug dealing and use in pro cycling. I can't think of a better place to start. This is organized crime.

 

[frenchfry]

I just hope Lance's withdrawl doesn't compromise the Shack's chances for the team classification.

 

[scribe]

wonder how folks over at radioshack are feeling right now? I mean the idiot CEO and lackeys who came up with the funds...

I'd say still pretty good. They have repositioned the brand (think it was for sale for a while) and they are doing well in a crappy economic environment.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

again, there is zero evidence of possession and distribution of controlled substances in the US. you may as well say he should charged for second degree murder.

Did you read the "if proven" part?

 

[Boeing]

Now you're really just trying to **** me off

sorry man

 

[ChilliConCarnage]

The fact that many of us believed he was a liar when he denied doping, but we believe him now that he admits what many of us have known for years is ironic to you?

yes.

Somebody apparently doesn't undersatnd the concept of irony.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Gullible of what? All cyclists dope, but do you see me blasting a cheat and then playing his fiddle cause it fits the agenda? No!

If as you say all cyclists dope then it is clear that FLandis was lying before and is now telling the truth, so why are you trying so hard to discredit what he is saying now? Could it be unrequited love for a certain bike rider from texas?

 

[spanky wanderlust]

And you believe your response is original?

no.

i do hope that floyd's personal catharsis can be applied by the right people in the right way to unravel the gordian knot. history does not point that direction.

if floyd does not get some corroboration fast, with either another brave insider's testimony or some physical evidence, nothing will probably come from the ****storm. except maybe lance skipping the tour (which i didn't think he was gonna show up to anyway) and phil trying to cover his saddle sniffing tracks.

i just hope floyd comes out ok. and i hope others are right that lance will back down and let it all disappear.

 

[slcbiker]

I don't think Lance bribing the UCI would likely fall under the foreign corrupt act. I don't think in this case the UCI would qualify.

 

[red_flanders]

I am sure that during his interview on ESPN (in front of the bus) Armstrong said it wasn't worth the effort to sue. Which is basically his way of saying what you just said!

That's code for "I have no basis for a suit, since it's all true and I'm going to do EVERYTHING I can to avoid a courtroom in this".

I mean, if it's a lie, it's OBVIOUSLY worth pursuing in court. Why wouldn't he want to clear his name.

That ANYONE could buy this crap is astounding.

 

[Hugh Januss]

sorry man

Go Celtics!

 

[Anonymous]

I'd say still pretty good. They have repositioned the brand (think it was for sale for a while) and they are doing well in a crappy economic environment.

well, that is what their books say anyhow...for now...they can drop strongarm and maybe get diddy...or ice cube or someone...problem is I think they still have a long contract to go...

 

[Boeing]

Anyone gone by a RS store today to see if they still have the LiveStrong and Lance stickers on the doors and in the windows???

lets say this all plays or and LA falls. Do you think Radio Shack can argue he violated their contract and pursue financial reparations?

 

[Boeing]

Go Celtics!

and to think I added you ad a friend

 

[mikkemus23]

Looks like Lance is following his own advice for Floyd from back in 06...LOL

updated 8:57 a.m. ET Aug. 14, 2006


“In this day and age, you’re not going to get a fair shake in the media,” said Armstrong, who rode his bike for charity Saturday at Indianapolis Motor Speedway.

“And the more you get out there and talk about it, I have to talk about it. The best is just to let the process play out and get out of the media. ... I would have encouraged him just to lay low.”

and this:

“It’s obviously not a good situation for cycling,” Armstrong said. “Everybody would admit that. Floyd would admit that. It’s certainly not a good situation for American cycling. But I am a fan and supporter of Floyd Landis. I believe in him.”

So why dont you believe him now, Lance?


http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/14321032/ns/sports-tour_de_france/

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

yes.

Somebody apparently doesn't undersatnd the concept of irony.

Yep, and you proved that you don't in your first post. Congrats.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

If Landis has no real proof other than his word then this whole story is going to get everyone worked up with no result because Landis' word is worthless. He has lied under oath, written false books, and stolen money from people to support his lies. Landis has absolutely zero credibility. Lets not pretend otherwise.

Nevertheless, this will do incredible damage to cycling world wide, but especially in the US. Sponsors will disappear, money will dry up, and events will go away for a long time to come. We are going to lose tv coverage of major events and the support of american sponsors for young american riders.

And all to what end? So we can put astericks next to riders names and palmares years ago? Great, yipeee. Sorry, but I just don't see what all the cheer is about on this forum. There should be no question in anyone's mind here that Landis did this out of vengeance and I guarantee nothing good will come of it.

Doping was ingrained into the culture of cycling for a long time. There is a high probability that almost every active pro rider active in the last decade doped at least some point in the their career. Does that include Lance? Well, of course, it probably does. Does that include contador? Probably. Does it include vino, well yes we actually know that for a fact. So what , are you going to take Lance's TdF wins and hand them off to the next guy even though the fact is that there is just as good of a chance that the next guy was doping too. They all doped, deal with it.

In every sport athletes are always seeking an advantage, an edge. They always will. Whether it is dope, special clothing, special food or a fancy bike part. Luckily, now the culture of cycling is shifting so cyclists are focusing on these other things and less on doping. That is good. We are making progress. Testing and tests are getting better. All good.

So I just don't see the advantage to dragging the skeletons out of the closet. Now, if Landis had accusations where he could implicate current doping cases in 2010 that would be quite another thing. But frankly, I don't give a crap about 2004 or 96 for that matter.

To put it more plainly, the amount of damage Landis is doing to 2010 and beyond is just not worth it to prosecute historical cases with no actual evidence.

Ok - you appear to be against doping in the highlighted above.

The system is whats corrupt - from top down, if you don't change it the only thing that chages are the faces of the poor pawns brought in to replace the unlucky who are caught.

Also -most of the names provided are still active in the sport.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Pro basketball ended with the retirement of Bird, Johnson, and Jordan. What you see now are the dying throes of a once beautiful sport. Lakers vs. Celtics used to be amazing to watch. Now? Meh.

 

[RTMcFadden]

Well, do you think possession and distribution of controlled substances, if proven, is an offense that deserves jail? Because that's what our legal system currently thinks.

In the US, controled substances are defined and regulated by the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, whereas perscription pharmaceuticals are regulated by the Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act of 1932 and it's progeny.

For the most part, PEDs are not controlled substances (some steriods may be). They are prescription pharmaceuticals. It's not really illegal to posses them, at most a misdemeanor and not worth the effort. However, it is illegal to distribute them without a license.

 

[Digger]

I have just come off the phone with a guy from Newstalk. Listen to this.
Kimmage was on at 8.30, McQuaid shortly after. But the producer told me straight out that McQuaid refused to go on at the same time as Kimmage. The presenters wanted it, but he would not.

 

[ChilliConCarnage]

Yep, and you proved that you don't in your first post. Congrats.

Here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

hope that helps!

 

[Digger]

http://www.newstalk.ie/on-tonights-show/

Go to media player, it is still on.