Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[BroDeal]

Vaughters has to come forward now. I can't see how he can keep silent.

Vaughters sold out. He rolled over like a b!tch the last time he was questioned.

 

[red_flanders]

More: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=5203604&type=story

 

[Hillavoider]

this is why i think flandis should push the use of postal service money to buy drugs angle if that is what happened. You can bet there will be a politician ready to step in and demagogue the situation for his own personal agrandizement. Put some of these riders before congress and see what they say.

+900000000

 

[Dr. Maserati]

As I suggested earlier this has the potential to go much deeper than a accusation that can be explained away by the USAC or UCI.


From the New York Daily News:

Both sources, who each insisted on anonymity, said that Landis has met with U.S. Anti-Doping Agency officials as well as FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky, the investigator who uncovered the BALCO doping ring and other doping conspiracies that were ultimately prosecuted by U.S. Attorneys.

 

[Cobblestones]

Vaughters sold out. He rolled over like a b!tch the last time he was questioned.

Indeed he did.

But now, the situation has changed. He won't bear the brunt, he would just confirm someone else's story. Kind of like rats leaving the sinking ship. Group pressure now works in reverse.

 

[Epicycle]

I wonder if Bahati's influence was a factor in this.

 

[Publicus]

More: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=5203604&type=story

If he has copious journals/diaries as indicated here, then Armstrong and others are going to have a very tough time impugn his character:

Landis, who began his career as a top mountain biker, had kept detailed training journals since he was a teenager. He said he continued the same methodical record-keeping once he started using banned drugs and techniques. Landis said he spent as much as $90,000 a year on performance-enhancing drugs and on consultants to help him build a training regime, including Michele Ferrari, the Italian doctor who worked with Armstrong. Landis said he has kept all of his journals and diaries and has offered to share them with U.S. anti-doping authorities in recent meetings. He added that he has given officials detailed information on how athletes are beating drug testing.

 

[Cooper]

Unless FL has pictures, video, or other credible witnesses there will be a huge shower of denials and this will be yet another bizarre chapter in the life of Floyd that everyone will soon forget.

I for one grow weary of it and don't care about what happened prior to 2007 anymore. Everyone doped. VDB was right.

I would prefer that various doping agencies ignore this and focus on the present and future and we all just move on.

 

[Cobblestones]

So ESPN talked to him yesterday and he confirmed. NY daily news has picked it up, too.

It's all going down in flames and he's taking everybody with him.

 

[red_flanders]

It's hitting the ticker on ESPNnews right now, only FLandis is mentioned.

 

[Oldman]

This and if it is USAC - who you rightly pointed out have Weisel appointees on the board - and if it is shown that a sporting organisation failed to follow up on information or actively protected certain people this could end up being very messy.

Q - Is USAC given Federal grants?

Weisel's hand is all over LA's career from Montgomery-Subaru and Eddie B's vitamin supplements to setting up tax shelters and "foundations". He made his dough inflating the tech bubble and cashing in before the explosion. He is as motivated to win on his terms as LA and this from former partners who have met them both. The suppression of facts to this date will be met with the same financial force as in the past. As I said, unless Floyd has a syringe with the genetic material and the gas together he has nothing but another legal problem.

 

[theswordsman]

I just did a Landis search on twitter. Most people are saying thanks, but others are tossing out "without proof", "most tested and never positive, etc."


Landis confirmed he sent e-mails to cycling and anti-doping officials over the past few weeks, implicating dozens of other athletes, team management and owners; and officials of the sport's national and international governing bodies. ESPN.com is seeking further evidence and comment from those individuals.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Unless FL has pictures, video, or other credible witnesses there will be a huge shower of denials and this will be yet another bizarre chapter in the life of Floyd that everyone will soon forget.

I for one grow weary of it and don't care about what happened prior to 2007 anymore. Everyone doped. VDB was right.

I would prefer that various doping agencies ignore this and focus on the present and future and we all just move on.

I'm sure you do. Feel free to move on all by yourself.

 

[BroDeal]

"He wanted to enlighten people, and he wants to leave the sport in a better place than where he started it. He had a feeling that was an obligation he had to fulfill."

Go FLandis!!!!!!

You wanted to bring down the establishment. This is the way to do it. I wish you the best of luck.

 

[BikeCentric]

Vaughters has to come forward now. I can't see how he can keep silent.

Vaughters came on this very board last fall and tried to force-feed us his BS spin. He was co-opted by the system. Welcome to the machine JV, sometimes it grinds you up.

 

[red_flanders]

I'm sure you do. Feel free to move on all by yourself.

Don't fool yourself. This is what will keep the cognitive disconscenti from losing it. He will not be alone.

 

[Publicus]

Unless FL has pictures, video, or other credible witnesses there will be a huge shower of denials and this will be yet another bizarre chapter in the life of Floyd that everyone will soon forget.

I for one grow weary of it and don't care about what happened prior to 2007 anymore. Everyone doped. VDB was right.

I would prefer that various doping agencies ignore this and focus on the present and future and we all just move on.

If the training journals/diaries have corroborating evidence about the timing of the new doping regime he started in 2002 with the assistance of Bruyneel, that's all the corroboration he will need. The fact that he's tracked the data since he started racing will give the documents credibility. Again, this depends on what is in the training journals/diaries. But if it's there, then Armstrong and Bruyneel are screwed.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

If Floyd's story is confirmed by Vaughters, Hamilton, and others, it's going to be a huge story. He has to either have a) proof or b) confirmation from others.

Without either, the guilty skate free.

 

[theswordsman]

He's been talking to doping agencies for weeks, and is doing this now before the statute of limitations start to run out on things - that from the ESPN link

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Indeed he did.

But now, the situation has changed. He won't bear the brunt, he would just confirm someone else's story. Kind of like rats leaving the sinking ship. Group pressure now works in reverse.

Normally I would agree - but the fact that Dave Zabriskie is named could damage the credibility of Garmin - although it is most likely that Landis was refering to when DZ was at USPS.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

It's posted over on RBR - the only comments there are "wrong forum" and " don't believe it"

Figures.

RBR is good for a) classifieds, b) reviews, c) hot deals forum.

Forums are filled with lemmings.

 

[Cobblestones]

Vaughters came on this very board last fall and tried to force-feed us his BS spin. He was co-opted by the system. Welcome to the machine JV, sometimes it grinds you up.

I remember it well and was part of the very disappointing discussion. But as I said, the situation has changed now.

 

[SpartacusRox]

No - I don't agree.

If 'the letter' names rider X and CN call rider X then they will probably deny it and say they will open proceedings to withhold CN from releasing the contents of the letter.

I would assume that once whoever had the letter (official or organization) confirm that they received the letter the first step is to see if they confirmed the source of the letter - ie Landis.
If they confirm that it was Landis (or his legal team) who sent it then it will matter little if Landis denies ever sending a letter.

Check this out: Landis coughed up to ESPN

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5203604&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Don't fool yourself. This is what will keep the cognitive disconscenti from losing it. He will not be alone.

Well the Wall Street Journal is only a tabloid rag....

 

[Oldman]

Normally I would agree - but the fact that Dave Zabriskie is named could damage the credibility of Garmin - although it is most likely that Landis was refering to when DZ was at USPS.

Except that everyone is now living a different reality and an allegedly reformed one. Back to real life: no bullet trail to the corpse: no murder conviction. Credibility is a gray area at any given moment.