Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[kurtinsc]

good luck with those p. o. v.

I would not be surprised if the fed's were gathering search warrants for some folks houses here in the US. And a team facilities and buses.

Just my thoughts.

If they are... it would be a big change of course from how other doping cases in the US were handled.

I'd welcome it... but I don't expect it to happen.

 

[epo1999]

I just heard a blurb about this on NPR. They basically quoted the WSJ article, and made absolutely no mention of LA or JB. With so much tied up in the LA "myth," I think this revelation is going to have a hard time finding any real, ie: mainstream, traction. I for one applaud FL, and think that it's certainly better late than never.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Errr... he states that these people went to jail, but not for PED use. He's correct, so why do you do such an idiotic attack on him.

I'm a bit fed up with the slash and burn tactics if someone fears it doesn't stick.

Because sorry, I still think this will blow over. Maybe he will retire. Case closed. Let's hope I'm wrong

If Floyd had gone on Larry King and said "I once saw Lance dope in a bus" then yiu would be right.

However Floyds accusations against the UCI and to a lesser extent the USA Cycling will mean that they cannot be the judges - this will require independent investigation and since Pro Cyclings house is made of sand there won't be left of those who collaborated in its demise.

 

[bicing]

nbc have a poll

BPC has used all of his IP addresses to tip the scales in the favour of "No".

 

[mr. tibbs]

good luck with those p. o. v.

I would not be surprised if the fed's were gathering search warrants for some folks houses here in the US. And a team facilities and buses.

Just my thoughts.

I actually WOULD be a little surprised. As much as I'd love to see the kind of action we would expect from the gendarmes on this, kurt's earlier post noting that French justice would be more likely to act than American is pretty spot on.

Still, we'll see what happens. That FDA guy is on the case. But remember that US justice has a tendency to favor people whose names we all know.

 

[blackcat]

BPC was originally arbiter

 

[Ferminal]

When is the press conference?

 

[frenchfry]

I must say that I am really, really disgusted by McQuaid's comments.

This guy is one pathetic piece of sh*it.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

So who was suspended/charged with a crime/jailed because of that... and who suspended them?

You keep suggesting that this won't stick to Lance - the T-Mobile incident shows that all it needs is one person to back up Floyds version and everyone cracks.

Lance may never get a suspension - like Riis - but his name as any type of ambassador or athlete will be in ruins.

And if the Feds are on this - will he lie under oath?

 

[Race Radio]

The SCA affair was a civil case. Which Armstrong testimony do you believe would constitute perjury in that situation?

The one where he said he did not dope.

You are assuming that Landis is the only witness in this case. Don't worry the Feds will do their job

 

[eleven]

The one where he said he did not dope.

can you show us his testimony from that event?

 

[ExRower]

I must say that I am really, really disgusted by McQuaid's comments.

This guy is one pathetic piece of sh*it.

the guy;'s obviously on the dopers payroll.

Finally redemption is on the horizon for guys like Simeoni.

 

[Anonymous]

good luck with those p. o. v.

I would not be surprised if the fed's were gathering search warrants for some folks houses here in the US. And a team facilities and buses.

Just my thoughts.

I'm not so sure. Baseball is American as apple pie. Pro Cycling is as alien on the US shores as fork rake is to the everyday baseball fan. So the outcry, I don't think, will be big enough for federal intervention. We, as cyclists, are just a spec on the sporting radar in the US. Most people despise us as spandex wearing woosies that block traffic.

In the end, it will be brushed under the rug like the Bonds and Clemens case is being swept under as we speak.

Those that hate Lance will continue to do so and will reference FL's emails. Those that like Lance will attack FL's credibility. So we will have gone absolutely no where.

 

[eleven]

I'm not so sure. Baseball is American as apple pie. Pro Cycling is as alien on the US shores as fork rake is to the everyday baseball fan. So the outcry, I don't think, will be big enough for federal intervention. We, as cyclists, are just a spec on the sporting radar in the US. Most people despise us as spandex wearing woosies that block traffic.

In the end, it will be brushed under the rug like the Bonds and Clemens case is being swept under as we speak.

Those that hate Lance will continue to do so and will reference FL's emails. Those that like Lance will attack FL's credibility. So we will have gone absolutely no where.

I think that about sums it up. No way we'll be having congressional hearings ala the McGwire - Palmiero three ring circus.

 

[fruit bars with eyes]

the guy;'s obviously on the dopers payroll.

Finally redemption is on the horizon for guys like Simeoni.

i think it might be quite productive if UCI/ McQuaid become the main villian of this piece rather than any particular rider (although i do understand the unique power/influence/lies of LA) - SMASH THE SYSTEM!!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

can you show us his testimony from that event?

Search the Betsy Andreu thread - there was quite a lot of the depositions on that including him not knowing how much money he gave to the UCI.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I'm not so sure. Baseball is American as apple pie. Pro Cycling is as alien on the US shores as fork rake is to the everyday baseball fan. So the outcry, I don't think, will be big enough for federal intervention. We, as cyclists, are just a spec on the sporting radar in the US. Most people despise us as spandex wearing woosies that block traffic.

In the end, it will be brushed under the rug like the Bonds and Clemens case is being swept under as we speak.

Those that hate Lance will continue to do so and will reference FL's emails. Those that like Lance will attack FL's credibility. So we will have gone absolutely no where.

Was MArion Jones a baseball player? Tammy Thomas perhaps....

 

[La Vie Claire]

And amazingly, the majority (barely) say "yes." Imagine if that poll had been taken in 2003.

Or even yesterday morning...

 

[Anonymous]

If people want a clean sport, they're going to have to get serious.

If we want to be honest with ourselves, we have to admit that pro cycling defrauds the public while it systemically condones the distribution and use of controlled substances. It is professional wrestling on wheels. There are civil and criminal allegations here at least as serious as those in BALCO. If you want to get to the bottom of this, then there needs to be a grand jury investigation and these people need to be put under oath where lying is perjury and carries some real consequences. Even the mightiest athlete will wilt under that kind of scrutiny. Then maybe some truth will come out. Until then, it's just a big soap opera. Pass the popcorn!

True enough...my feeling is that unfortunately it will be just another story...christ, when it happened in baseball, they had numerous congressional hearings...cycling aint a pimple on the *** of american sport...so it will burn for a few days and that will be it...which is really just too bad as I would love to see the armstrong myth busted for the farce it really is...unless Landis has some real evidence like photos...as for JV, I havent yet looked to see what his comments are but I bet he will throw Landis under the bus via DZ...too many interests to protect...JV is the same as all the rest when it comes to his paycheck...

 

[scribe]

I'm not so sure. Baseball is American as apple pie. Pro Cycling is as alien on the US shores as fork rake is to the everyday baseball fan. So the outcry, I don't think, will be big enough for federal intervention. We, as cyclists, are just a spec on the sporting radar in the US. Most people despise us as spandex wearing woosies that block traffic.

In the end, it will be brushed under the rug like the Bonds and Clemens case is being swept under as we speak.

Those that hate Lance will continue to do so and will reference FL's emails. Those that like Lance will attack FL's credibility. So we will have gone absolutely no where.

Sort of. The idea that someone is willing to talk will have quite an impact, even if we don't see results on the surface.

Probably the biggest factor that will prevent the Feds from doing anything to Armstrong is his foundation work. Face it, it is very difficult for them to sell to the general American public that Armstrong did a terrible thing by taking his blood out and reinjecting it at a later date. Most people here are dumb enough to vote for George Bush. It would be a prosecutor's kiss of death to push this too far.

 

[buckwheat]

THEY WERE CHARGED WITH LYING/PERJURY.... NOT PED USE.

We have several admitted PED users... who came out and publicly stated they used illegal PED's (and recently). But they haven't seemed to face any criminal charges for doing so.

Part of Marion Jones plea agreement was that she admit PED use. It would have been no deal otherwise.

Barry Bonds is in court for his PED use, just as Bill Clinton was in hot water for extra marital affairs. Any other take on these situations is delusional at best.

 

[Anonymous]

Statement from George Hincapie, U.S. national champion:

"I have been a professional on the circuit for 17 years – which is one of the longest careers in the peloton. During that time, I have earned the respect of my peers and a reputation for working hard, honestly and honorably. I'm really disappointed to hear these accusations."

 

[altark123]

This is one interesting case. I am anxious to see what will happen with this. It's been rehashed but if a witness in a criminal case had the credibility and history of past denials as Flandis does, I doubt an attorney would even call him to the stand, he'd be torn apart. My point is, the guy is ****ed, he has no credibility and besides some people on here, I am skeptical anyone will truly believe the guy even if it is true.

 

[FastMatt]

True Lies Part II

I am not sure what to make of this. His reputation is dirt after the last 4 years of trying to prove his lies were true.

Although Lance has never been proven positive and suspended many will argue for or against him with the evidence at hand.

This should come as no surprise to any rational individual with an IQ>70. In fact the top 20 finishers in the TDF for the last 10+ years have all been juiced in my opinion.

I am disappointed that my favorite rider George Hincapie as been implicated.

I hope that Contador is caught before he wins several TDF's. Contador is the new Lance.

 

[rhubroma]

It may not be popular to say this, but I think Landis is severely lacking in critical thinking skills. If he had any at all, he'd have been able to figure out that this isn't going to work. If he had any at all, he wouldn't be in this position to begin with.

Everyone he names is going to sue the hell out of him; and, in addition to the personal reputations at stake, there are the corporate interests: the companies that sponsor cycling in general and the implicated riders in particular. They and their money and their publicity machines won't like this. At all.

The only way I can see this having any real impact is if the U.S. Congress holds hearings because of it, subpoenas those concerned, and then catches them out in perjury. Cycling isn't really considered an American sport - it isn't very much on the radar, in terms of national interest - so I doubt that's going to happen.

Landis is a drowning man clutching at everyone around him. He hopes to drown them all, as though doing so could somehow save him. I doubt it will.

Edit: On second thought, though, Landis might experience something worse than being sued by everyone: after the initial brouhaha, he might be merely ignored. I am screaming at the top of my lungs and no one hears me. Like that.

Though you've got to admit, the man's got balls.

His lack of critical judgment is overcome by his sheer reckless bravura.