Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[Race Radio]

Phil and Paul are on a Versus show called The Line. It is disturbing how far up Lance's A$$ they are. Vomit inducing.

 

[patswana]

Landis said he has diaries from the period that will document and support his claim. Let the evidence be brought forth.

Any word from Tyler Hamilton yet?

 

[barn yard]

Any word from Tyler Hamilton yet?

or his brother?

 

[Berzin]

My apologies if this has been published in a previous post, but this thread took off like a rocket being shot into orbit. Over 180 pages in less than 24 hours-that has to be some kind of record.

This is a radio interview with Paul Kimmage, and afterwards with Fat Pat McQuaid-

http://media.newstalk.ie/extra/790/popup

Catch up.

Landis doesn't matter any more.

At this point he's extraneous.

The grenade has been thrown into a crowded room.

Landis is just sitting back watching at this point.

Let's hope this grenade works out better, explosion-wise, then it did when Hitler survived that bomb attempt at the Wolf's Lair.

 

[danjo007]

I personally know two of these people, one is already there

and the other is going. I'm horrified that two such talented

and decent young men are being controlled by these

monsters. There will come a point when things are not

going so well and the question will be asked, very subtly, by

the rider, not the DS, as to what can be done to improve the

performance, this performance was at one point the very

reason he made the team, it now being prefaced with the

word lacking, within no time from that time, these kids will be

the junkies of the peloton and I will be left to consider what I

now think of these former heroes. They have alreadyurpassed

most ofwhat our top domestic riders will achieve in the career,

but it wont dragthem to the dizzy heights that attract that

sought after hero worship, whichlooks and feels great to

everybody, except of course, to the receiver of the worship,

they know to much to make it a pleasent experience. It is just

horrible. I did loads of drugs, mostly easy stuff(if there is

such a thing), I never knowingly introduced any kids to drugs

in my life. Our so calledheroes do it all the time. I'm happy

to be rug free, I still have my magic carpet to fly around on. I

will e-mail the father tomorrow and ask him to talk the boy

out of it. Then I will jokingly send a message on off

yourfacebook, he might delete me but I wont hold it against

his almost pathological need to succeed. Their hopes and the

straws they grasp at arethe very reason drugs in sport do so

well/badly, you choose the word thatfits for you. I came

fourth tonight, no drugs, just loads of coffee, and I

deliberately didn't try to win the sprint as I'd not put in the

work for it. I was only trying to finish, I had that in spades,

first one I managed to finish this year.

where the **** did you copy and paste that from... missing letters ****ed spacing, BIG calls! - name and explain or stfu! youre as bad as landis!

 

[ChrisE]

Neil Browne of VeloNews, who posted his interview with Landis from today, is also on Larry King Live. I read on twitter that the show will be repeated at 9:00 P.M. PST.

In case you missed the blog interview, here's some key points from Landis today.



http://www.versus.com/blogs/2010-cycling-events/cycling-landis-advance/

I call BS on this amnesty shyt. I think FL is backtracking a little here.

If he was looking for amnesty on those who taught him to dope or doped with him, the emails didn't have to name names. They could have said "I did this with other people, etc" and then followed up with "I will tell you who they are if you give them amnesty".

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks to all for the forum and links as events develop.

As a former cyclist and global citizen, I appreciate all of your opinions and feelings about this issue, which to me encompasses a phenomenal mix of law/science/sport/media/politics/ethics/business/life (livestrong)/religion (believers) that has a footprint covering just about every continent.

I wish Lance the best with his recovery, and with the stress of having to deal with his past. Whatever the outcome, he can never be a hero of mine for the way he has lost the sense of what it is to be a human being.

Floyd may just be to Lance what Gorbachev was to the Soviet Union, I recommend Lance go onto youtube and learn from the humility in which guys like Fedor Emelianenko, Don Bradman and other great champions deal with the public eye despite the difficulties of whatever is thrown at them.

+1

im going to bed, this has been a very long and interesting day

 

[wmneff]

I hope FL gets peace with this,and that some good comes out of it>>>>>so Linus Gerdemann doesn't have reporters up his **** every race,and that testing is able to find and dispense of cheaters quickly and effectively.

 

[Boeing]

or his brother?

Or Tug Boat II

 

[Race Radio]

It is now confirmed that the FDA is investigating the Landis allegations. Landis has met with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky.

Landis had planned to make his allegations at a press conference in Los Angeles on Saturday during the time-trail stage of the Tour of California. Federal investigators with whom Mr. Landis was cooperating urged him not to make any public statements out of concern that it would complicate their efforts to collect information and that they would have had trouble insuring Mr. Landis's safety at a crowded public event.

Armstrong sent an email on May 6th that claimed he had "sources inside the antidoping agencies who inform you of goings on."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703559004575256913635747280.html?mod=quicklinks_landis

Wonder if Armstrong is stupid enough to lie to the feds?

 

[danjo007]

Phil and Paul are on a Versus show called The Line. It is disturbing how far up Lance's A$$ they are. Vomit inducing.

please do. on what evidence do you base your quite accurate knowledge on? inuendo and landis? or surely it must have been?

 

[Laszlo]

or his brother?

I think he disappeared somewhere

 

[battery89]

Tyler Hamilton on his brother:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9tHJ-cm338


Interesting notes, keep it coming! This thread has kept me entertained for over a day now.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Good detective work Race Radio. It makes me think this is going to go much deeper than a he said/he said stuff that quiets down in a few weeks with the FDA involved. I wonder who else they are going to try to talk to? I wonder who will say what?

If I were Floyd, I'd stay completely out of the limelight for a long while, and only answer the phone to my family, closest friends, and investigators.

 

[Parrot23]

It is now confirmed that the FDA is investigating the Landis allegations. Landis has met with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky.

Wonder if Armstrong is stupid enough to lie to the feds?

Don't think so, and I think it's why they are being very careful to restrict their comments to ad hominem attacks on Floyd as the basis of their defense.

They have to be real careful now (esp. the facilitators on teams, and people like Lim, etc. IF involved). With fed. officials these become criminal matters and they will jail someone who lies to them. Perjury to a federal investigator, even one, is a criminal offense.

The Feds are not patsies like the UCI, and crucially, they have no conflict of interest in simultaneously regulating and promoting the very same "industry" like the UCI does with cycling. They don't have to pull punches.

And that means the USA cycling authorities better start to be real careful, too, because they Feds will be having a good look at them too.

 

[d.c. douglas]

My apologies if this has been published in a previous post, but this thread took off like a rocket being shot into orbit. Over 180 pages in less than 24 hours-that has to be some kind of record.

This is a radio interview with Paul Kimmage, and afterwards with Fat Pat McQuaid-

http://media.newstalk.ie/extra/790/popup





Let's hope this grenade works out better, explosion-wise, then it did when Hitler survived that bomb attempt at the Wolf's Lair.

Geez guys, lighten up on the imagery, drawing analogies between Hitler (or as the message boards call him, AH) and LA is a tad extreme.

I know you are all dying for Lance to get his comeuppance. I wouldn't mind it, either. He'll probably throw a few more people in his orbit to the wolves and just walk away.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

In case anyone isn't sure, Jeff Novitzky was the lead investigator in the BALCO case.

 

[Laszlo]

It is now confirmed that the FDA is investigating the Landis allegations. Landis has met with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky.

Landis had planned to make his allegations at a press conference in Los Angeles on Saturday during the time-trail stage of the Tour of California. Federal investigators with whom Mr. Landis was cooperating urged him not to make any public statements out of concern that it would complicate their efforts to collect information and that they would have had trouble insuring Mr. Landis's safety at a crowded public event.

Armstrong sent an email on May 6th that claimed he had "sources inside the antidoping agencies who inform you of goings on."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703559004575256913635747280.html?mod=quicklinks_landis

Wonder if Armstrong is stupid enough to lie to the feds?

that is good news- let them investigate and lets hear what they find - forget the inuendo and such," just the facts Mamm"

 

[Anonymous]

Went to RBR and DPF today. Had to blow the dust off DPF before I could read anything. That place is dead. OAR called out Whareagle. There was no response. RBR is full of Coolhand threatening people with excommunication for questioning his proclamations. What a douchebag that guy is. As far as I can tell, this forum is the place to discuss this. Great stuff today by lots of people. This will continue to be fun to watch.

Checked out Phil and Paul on Versus. Paul said he believed FLandis for the last 4 years, but now doesn't??? Like someone already pointed out, he was truthful when he lied and now a liar when he comes clean? Interesting take there Phil...hey, you have some sh!t on your nose there guy, maybe clean it off during the next commercial break.

 

[theswordsman]

In case anyone isn't sure, Jeff Novitzky was the lead investigator in the BALCO case.

Best...news...ever

 

[Anonymous]

Whats the prize for post 2000?

 

[d.c. douglas]

Whats the prize for post 2000?

we'll find out in about an hour. some of you guys have been here.....alll dayyyy????

 

[BroDeal]

It is now confirmed that the FDA is investigating the Landis allegations. Landis has met with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky.

Landis had planned to make his allegations at a press conference in Los Angeles on Saturday during the time-trail stage of the Tour of California. Federal investigators with whom Mr. Landis was cooperating urged him not to make any public statements out of concern that it would complicate their efforts to collect information and that they would have had trouble insuring Mr. Landis's safety at a crowded public event.

Armstrong sent an email on May 6th that claimed he had "sources inside the antidoping agencies who inform you of goings on."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703559004575256913635747280.html?mod=quicklinks_landis

Wonder if Armstrong is stupid enough to lie to the feds?

I always liked FLandis. This makes me like him more. A press conference during the time trial! That is teh sort of mad chutzpah that I can respect. If you are going to do it then do it big. Too bad it was spoiled by the leaked letter.

I wonder if he will still have the press conference.

 

[Berzin]

Whats the prize for post 2000?

This is the prize-a nice T-shirt you can wear to all UCI sanctioned functions.

Geez guys, lighten up on the imagery, drawing analogies between Hitler (or as the message boards call him, AH) and LA is a tad extreme.

If you've seen the film "Valkyrie" with Tom Cruise, you'd know what I was referring to. Lighten up.

 

[pedaling squares]

This is the prize-a nice T-shirt you can wear to all UCI sanctioned functions.

Beautiful. You know you're going to have to send one to the lucky poster.