Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[Colm.Murphy]

This is huge. Huge. He's really got the diaries with notations whenever certain drugs or transfusions were used. This really is going to change the sport. Who would have thought it would be Landis that would trigger all this, LOL!

For all of this, Landis could end up being the single most influential athlete in sporting history relative to changing the culture of doping. If LA goes to prison, I think it would send such a message that we'd see an entire generation or more pushed away from using PEDs.

Hats off to you, Mr. Landis.

 

[Polish]

"I (floyd) personally performed a blood transfusion on Levi [Leipheimer] in a Tour [2005] where he beat me. It didn't feel like cheating to me. "

2005
Floyd Landis was on Phonak
Levi Leipheimer was on Gerolsteiner
Lance was on Disco...do you think Lance was watching?

 

[tubularglue]

i highly doubt he is leaving the country.


whether twitter says so or not

 

[CMDiva]

Thanks.

I signed up for twitter the day Doug Uhlmann convinced Lance to do it, and mentioned it in his blog. I think I was follower #120. I stopped following the day his media boycott started at the Giro. There's no way I'm following again, just to watch his smoke screen. But I'm glad a couple of million people will know his whereabouts. I'll bet Pierre Bordry is reading.

Edit: to save others a trip


He's got Bruyneel and is "Richie" the soigneur? This could be interesting. What do you think, South America? Some island without extradition?

To pick up Michele and commence to shredding?

 

[theswordsman]

To pick up Michele and commence to shredding?

He tends to gain inspiration from what he's seen recently, so I'm guessing he watched the finale of Lost last night.

A guy at Le Quotidien just claimed he has a reliable source saying Lance will definitely ride the Tour of Luxembourg and then the Tour de Suisse. The article isn't worth linking. I hope he's not going to fly around Europe handing out Lance Bonuses.

 

[Cal_Joe]

i highly doubt he is leaving the country.


whether twitter says so or not

Call me confused - what do you base this on? I see posts like this here occasionally and cannot figure out the logic of the post, especially if the post is short.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Landis was convicted in criminal court of doping?

I'm not sure about his case in particular, but based on how other dopers get penalized in the US, it usually works something like this.

1. Athelete is asked by a government official under oath if they doped. They say "no". Most of the time, the doping isn't strictly illegal... for example if a doctor prescribes steroids, there's nothing illegal about an individual taking them... but it is still against the rules of their sport.

2. Athelete then admits at a later date to doping.

3. Athelete gets convicted of perjury/lying under oathe/whatever.

They would have served no jail time if they had admitted up front to doping, but they would have lost status/championships/money from their career. So they lie... get caught in their lie... then have to go to jail.

TBH- I am really not sure what you are saying here.

I read a lot of comments that Landis had commited perjury - I was asking how is this possible as the only time he lied under oath was during his USADA hearing, which he lost.

What you write above is true for others - if the Feds are involved.

 

[Cerberus]

2005
Floyd Landis was on Phonak
Levi Leipheimer was on Gerolsteiner
Lance was on Disco...do you think Lance was watching?

Good point, though the "[ ]" indicate that the year is not Landis' own actual words, so it could be a screwup by the journalist.

ETA: No Leipheimer and Landis were never on the same team it appears. Does look odd. I suppose you can help people dope on other teams, but it seems odd.

 

[kurtinsc]

Good point, though the "[ ]" indicate that the year is not Landis' own actual words, so it could be a screwup by the journalist.

ETA: No Leipheimer and Landis were never on the same team it appears. Does look odd. I suppose you can help people dope on other teams, but it seems odd.

It seems like a journalist probably should have caught that fact.

 

[BroDeal]

I personally performed a blood transfusion on Levi [Leipheimer] in a Tour [2005] where he beat me. It didn't feel like cheating to me.

What is up with this? FLandis and Leipheimer were on different teams. They must have been using the same service to store blood. Or did they continue with the low tech method and have one a small circle of friends store it in his closet just like Armstrong did?

 

[Colm.Murphy]

I read to me that he implied that Armstrong told him all of this in 2002 but the LA positive at the Tour de Suisse was in the first year the EPO test was in full use (2001, even though they had it at the Sydney games). That was when Ferrari told LA not to use it but he did anyways, hence the positive test.

So, 2001 was the positive test, and it was conversed upon Landis in 2002.

Funny how LA and the UCI quickly, and in concert, point to how the "dates don't add up" and that LA did not race the Tour de Suisse in 2002. They really seize upon this, as if the lack of clarity in Landis' writing ******** the whole confession.

 

[Anonymous]

What is up with this? FLandis and Leipheimer were on different teams. They must have been using the same service to store blood. Or did they continue with the low tech method and have one a small circle of friends store it in his closet just like Armstrong did?

or the same gynocologist

 

[Creatine Bob]

This still seems like Landis trying to sell some sensational stories.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

This still seems like Landis trying to sell some sensational stories.

Sure. But I think what is different is he has nothing to lose, nothing to gain, except for perhaps his own sanity.

Confessing this all to one's Mum gotta be a tough go, as it was all a big lie.

Shiver the thought of pulling this on me own Mum. I'd be done'fer.

 

[altark123]

This is huge. Huge. He's really got the diaries with notations whenever certain drugs or transfusions were used. This really is going to change the sport. Who would have thought it would be Landis that would trigger all this, LOL!

Yes, but not about anyone other than himself....

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

This still seems like Landis trying to sell some sensational stories.

No this seems like the same idiot posting under different names.

 

[Race Radio]

This still seems like Landis trying to sell some sensational stories.

really? How much is he selling it for?

Landis has gained nothing from this financially. Given the groupies willingness to attacking anyone that questions the myth I cannot see how coming clean in anyway benefits Landis.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

really? How much is he selling it for?

Landis has gained nothing from this financially. Given the groupies willingness to attacking anyone that questions the myth I cannot see how coming clean in anyway benefits Landis.

Let's let Novitzky investigate. I think that's exactly what the groupies fear.

 

[Ripper]

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/columns/story?columnist=ford_bonnie_d&id=5215959

This is a very interesting story. I dunno, but I now kinda feel happy for Landis for making this confession ... he seems to be in a better place than he was a year ago. I am still a little worried that it might not end well for him, but it is hard to argue with his motivations.

 

[pedaling squares]

I like this part about Floyd's disclosure and subsequent interviews:

"I'd prefer, and I decided when I decided to do this, that I'm going to state things that I've seen and things that I know for sure, and I'd rather keep my opinions to myself because I don't see that helping anybody."

Now doesn't that cut the legs out of the 'poor crazy Floyd' argument? No wild speculation about the current state of cycling, no pretense that he's got inside knowledge about other teams, just here's what I saw and here's what I did and do what you want with it.

 

[Epicycle]

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5203604

That's still full of Floydspeak. I really doubt he's going to tell the whole truth. I don't expect him or anybody else in his position to do so because these guys have huge egos and it's natural to try to carve out a position of power in these types of vulnerable moments. It's something Floyd is an expert at when he goes into his average guy persona.

For example the statute of limitations issue...if it were just about telling the truth or normalizing the past he wouldn't be so worried about nailing Armstrong. Obviously he's talked enough about doping after 2002 that what specifically happened that year is very important to getting what he wants out of this. I think it would be great if he could nail Lance but that doesn't mean I'm going to take everything Floyd says with an uncritical eye. I think Lemond put it best...it's great that Floyd has spoken up and I believe most of what he has to say.

 

[blackcat]

for starters, it is not credible he started doping with USPS.

He was a mediocre NORBA rider, uncompetitive in mtb World Cups.

He had to have been charging on Mercury Viatel, with Peter Van Petegem, Leon Van Bon, Ryan Cox may have been there, cannot remember who else, it was full of very good riders, but it just defies belief he was not on a full program, even then.

 

[screaming fist]

excuse me goofing around - you just gotta see this:

 

[meep__]

It's uncanny

 

[Anonymous]

thats just scary