Looks like there are too many homers on Velonews. Some of the comments are as ridiculous as the idea of a TDF winner 1995-2010 being clean. LOL at that!
Actually, no.Nederick said:Shouldn't the thread title be changed to, "cycle racing done with Landis"?
I don't think Greg's admission was due to the two of them being particularly "tight." Floyd has always maintained that he was totally caught off guard and was taken aback by Greg's admission. He couldn't really explain it.flicker said:One thing I am curious about. Floyd and Greg were tight buddies. Tight enough that Greg would share a secret of his tragic childhood.
I know Greg testified that Floyd shared with Greg that he had doped.
What other secrets those two share we will never know.
Gregs' admission was disturbing and out of context. I know that Greg said the truth shall set you free to Floyd, and his analogy to LeMonds ongoing therapy helping Greg out but the whole thing went totally bizerko with Floyds bodyguard. Note to self: always refrain from the Jack Daniels before making absurd phone calls and then appearing in court the next day. Simply not done, snapped the elastic there.Granville57 said:Actually, no.
I don't think Greg's admission was due to the two of them being particularly "tight." Floyd has always maintained that he was totally caught off guard and was taken aback by Greg's admission. He couldn't really explain it.
I think part of it was Greg being Greg. He is known to say some things strangely out of context at times. I have experienced that with him myself. My guess is that Greg's admission to Floyd was as much for Greg as it was for Floyd.
My understanding is that Lemond's testimony reflected that he felt Floyd "essentially" confessed. I don't think anything explicit was ever claimed.
Of course he can lie about both! He lied under oath the first time about not doping, why should we see him as not doing exactly the same this time round? The point is that why suddenly is everyone loving Landis, a man who has proven he will lie to try and salvage his life, as evidenced by his two contradictory accounts, given under oath, which apparently everyone is willing to ignore just because one of them is Anti-Lance, which it seems is the only thing which gets you any plaudits anymore.Granville57 said:Wel, the point of providing links in both quotes was to provide context. But in fairness I'll repost with my points in bold.
So Floyd either lied about doping or lied about not doping. Not both.
If he lied about doping, and is now telling the truth, then his current admission puts him in a place that we have yet to see Armstrong even approach.
Actually Landis did not say anything "nasty" about Armstrong - in fact he recently paid him a compliment by calling him a "bad ***" bike racer.SC1990 said:As usual it seems that the fact Landis said nasty things about Armstrong makes him much loved, and everyone is willing to forgive him for that and believe what he says about being reformed etc, which seems a little odd given the guy swore in court that he never took any substances etc, only now to tell us that he actually did. Remove the desperation to leap on anything that could help remove Armstrong and he'd just be another lying denying doper.
Given enough time and opportunity, he certainly can endear himself.The Hitch said:Floyd Landis. We hardly knew ye.
I for one like him though. Wish him all the best.
Dr. Maserati said:Actually Landis did not say anything "nasty" about Armstrong - in fact he recently paid him a compliment by calling him a "bad ***" bike racer.
What Landis did say about Armstrong is truthful - but as you think it is "nasty" say's more about you than it does about him.
First point:SC1990 said:Of course he can lie about both! He lied under oath the first time about not doping, why should we see him as not doing exactly the same this time round? The point is that why suddenly is everyone loving Landis, a man who has proven he will lie to try and salvage his life, as evidenced by his two contradictory accounts, given under oath, which apparently everyone is willing to ignore just because one of them is Anti-Lance, which it seems is the only thing which gets you any plaudits anymore.
As for judging Landis 'out of context', sorry, I thought we were judging him on the fact he cheated to win the tour, lied about it, sponged money off fans to pay his legal fees, tried his hand at some blackmail, came up with a new story conveniently releasing new details at the time of maximum impact, whilst telling everyone who'll listen it's for his soul, not the fact that he was adding fuel to your petty and never endable hatred of Armstrong which elevates him to Sainthood.
Ok then - can you show me one place where Floyd said something "nasty" (or whatever figure of speech nasty is meant to be)- and when you say accusations, you do realise other riders have confirmed what he has said?SC1990 said:it was a figure of speech about his accusations, the fact you jumped on one word and twisted my subsequent words based on your own interpretation speaks volumes about you.
but i thought doping didn't really provide an advantage?flicker said:He was 4th best on the OUCH team. TdF winner.
That tells me he was a DOPER.
Landis and Pantani were special cases of donkey to racehorse. Luckily for Landis he lived. Could the desengeniration in his hip because of steroids, yes!Big Doopie said:but i thought doping didn't really provide an advantage?
i thought doping couldn't turn a donkey into a racehorse?
landis' inability to return to even a mediocre pro level demonstrates how blood doping skews any sense of natural hierarchy, makes following the sport or discussing results absolutely ludicrous, and subsequently destroys a stunning and dramatic sport of all its beauty.
and you know these guys are clean?flicker said:Other riders Vino, DiLuca, Basso Rassmusen have returned without double faulting. Thanks Fred
Dude, you need to slow down on the drinking, you're beginning to slur your typing...flicker said:Could the desengeniration in his hip because of steroids, yes!
Just to back fill a bit my thinking, Landis played the game and played it deep. And he got outed and chucked on the heap. The core of the problem is the administration and the hangers on as much as the athletes that give in. Just like any big pro sport where there's lot of money flying around. There will be corruption and cheating. A percentage of those involved wanting to get to the top of the heap by any means. So Floyd wasn't one of the protected ones. That's why I propose that it's the other way around. Cycle racing is done with Floyd, and I support his view that cycling (well pro cycling) can't be fixed. Even if the corrupt few of the current crop are turfed out, it'll just create a power vacuum and there will be others to fill those spots. It's just part of human nature.Granville57 said:Actually, no.
Key donors to the FFF will probably be looking elsewhere for their money back...MR_Sarcastic said:It's great to see Floyd going out into the "real" world and getting a job. Maybe now, he can begin to pay back the money collected in the Floyd Fairness Fund,........ unless he changes his story again, and says that he didn't dope.
(Most people who do what he did, end up in jail)
he can do that when he gets his whistleblower reward on the downfall of His Sociopathic Majesty.MR_Sarcastic said:It's great to see Floyd going out into the "real" world and getting a job. Maybe now, he can begin to pay back the money collected in the Floyd Fairness Fund,........ unless he changes his story again, and says that he didn't dope.
(Most people who do what he did, end up in jail)
Unforunately (for you) Floyd is not in jail.MR_Sarcastic said:It's great to see Floyd going out into the "real" world and getting a job. Maybe now, he can begin to pay back the money collected in the Floyd Fairness Fund,........ unless he changes his story again, and says that he didn't dope.
(Most people who do what he did, end up in jail)
Landis has siad he will do his best to repay back the monies.MR_Sarcastic said:It's great to see Floyd going out into the "real" world and getting a job. Maybe now, he can begin to pay back the money collected in the Floyd Fairness Fund,........ unless he changes his story again, and says that he didn't dope.
(Most people who do what he did, end up in jail)
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