Lappartient is worse for cycling than Cookson?

[fmk_RoI]

Re: Re:

That is most likely. 8 riders for GTs, 7 for other WT and HC races, 6 for .1 and below would probably be about right.

To clarify: you think he's attempting to haggle in order to bring in a change that's already been signed off and announced? The thought processes round here sometimes go beyond bizarre.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Re: Re:

That is most likely. 8 riders for GTs, 7 for other WT and HC races, 6 for .1 and below would probably be about right.

To clarify: you think he's attempting to haggle in order to bring in a change that's already been signed off and announced? The thought processes round here sometimes go beyond bizarre.

As a special service for those who don't actually follow this sport, here's the rules:

2.2.003 Without prejudice to specific provisions of the UCI Regulations (e.g. provisions in Part IX and XI regarding respectively the UCI Road World Championships and Olympic Games), the number of starting riders per team shall be set by the organiser, with a minimum of 4 and maximum of 7. The organiser shall indicate in the programme or technical guide and on the entry form the number of starting riders per team for the event. This number shall be the same for all teams.

The number of starting riders who are registered on the entry form must be equal to the number set by the organiser. No account shall be taken of any riders entered in excess of that number.

Special provisions for UCI WorldTour

In UCI WorldTour events, the number of starting riders per team is 8 for Grand Tours and 7 for other events.

 

[Netserk]

Where does it mention 6 riders for cat 1 races?

 

[Ironhead Slim]

Re: Re:

That is most likely. 8 riders for GTs, 7 for other WT and HC races, 6 for .1 and below would probably be about right.

To clarify: you think he's attempting to haggle in order to bring in a change that's already been signed off and announced? The thought processes round here sometimes go beyond bizarre.

As a special service for those who don't actually follow this sport, here's the rules:

2.2.003 Without prejudice to specific provisions of the UCI Regulations (e.g. provisions in Part IX and XI regarding respectively the UCI Road World Championships and Olympic Games), the number of starting riders per team shall be set by the organiser, with a minimum of 4 and maximum of 7. The organiser shall indicate in the programme or technical guide and on the entry form the number of starting riders per team for the event. This number shall be the same for all teams.

The number of starting riders who are registered on the entry form must be equal to the number set by the organiser. No account shall be taken of any riders entered in excess of that number.

Special provisions for UCI WorldTour

In UCI WorldTour events, the number of starting riders per team is 8 for Grand Tours and 7 for other events.

Sounds like the rules for the Holy Hand Grenade.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Re:

Where does it mention 6 riders for cat 1 races?

That would be in the part that allows those race organisers discretion, with teams of 4 to 7 riders, and doesn't impose an unreasonable minimum on them.

There are two types of people in the world:
1) those who can extrapolate from incomplete data

 

[pastronef]

Lappartient and a doper?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BawwHPVAMqH/?taken-by=alexandrvinokurov

 

[42x16ss]

Lappartient and a doper?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BawwHPVAMqH/?taken-by=alexandrvinokurov

Lappartient and the owner of the team Cookson went to great lengths NOT to ban?

 

[fmk_RoI]

Lappartient and a doper?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BawwHPVAMqH/?taken-by=alexandrvinokurov

Lappartient and the owner of the team Cookson went to great lengths NOT to ban?

Were I to dare and ask, do you think it likely you would actually explain that comment? Cause as far as I know it is so divorced from reality it ought to come with a decree nisi and alimony payments. Not only did Cookson make efforts to have Astana banned, those efforts are part of the reason he and Lappartient's VP Di Rocco - who has his own links to Astana - had their public falling out leaving the head of the Italian fed one of the plotters working on ousting the hapless Briton and inserting Lappartient in his place.

 

[pastronef]

Lappartient and a doper?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BawwHPVAMqH/?taken-by=alexandrvinokurov

Lappartient and the owner of the team Cookson went to great lengths NOT to ban?

Were I to dare and ask, do you think it likely you would actually explain that comment? Cause as far as I know it is so divorced from reality it ought to come with a decree nisi and alimony payments. Not only did Cookson make efforts to have Astana banned, those efforts are part of the reason he and Lappartient's VP Di Rocco - who has his own links to Astana - had their public falling out leaving the head of the Italian fed one of the plotters working on ousting the hapless Briton and inserting Lappartient in his place.

thank you for the explaination

 

[Craigee]

Lappartient and a doper?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BawwHPVAMqH/?taken-by=alexandrvinokurov

Lappartient and the owner of the team Cookson went to great lengths NOT to ban?

Were I to dare and ask, do you think it likely you would actually explain that comment? Cause as far as I know it is so divorced from reality it ought to come with a decree nisi and alimony payments. Not only did Cookson make efforts to have Astana banned, those efforts are part of the reason he and Lappartient's VP Di Rocco - who has his own links to Astana - had their public falling out leaving the head of the Italian fed one of the plotters working on ousting the hapless Briton and inserting Lappartient in his place.

Gee here we were wrongfully thinking it was Cookson's supposed many faults as the UCI leader that led to the landslide election result. Cookson didn't appear to place much blame on this himself directly after the election.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Lappartient and a doper?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BawwHPVAMqH/?taken-by=alexandrvinokurov

Lappartient and the owner of the team Cookson went to great lengths NOT to ban?

Were I to dare and ask, do you think it likely you would actually explain that comment? Cause as far as I know it is so divorced from reality it ought to come with a decree nisi and alimony payments. Not only did Cookson make efforts to have Astana banned, those efforts are part of the reason he and Lappartient's VP Di Rocco - who has his own links to Astana - had their public falling out leaving the head of the Italian fed one of the plotters working on ousting the hapless Briton and inserting Lappartient in his place.

Gee here we were wrongfully thinking it was Cookson's supposed many faults as the UCI leader that led to the landslide election result. Cookson didn't appear to place much blame on this himself directly after the election.

Do you live in a binary world Craigee, where events have only one cause? Do you live in a world in which all plotting comes off and can be used as the sole explanation for events? Gee...

 

[thehog]

Lappartient looking to announce soon. I wonder whether it will be a Cookson styled press release or he’ll speak and demonstrate the new technology?

“I said very clearly that we will move before the end of the year on the subject of technological fraud,” he told RTBF, “and we are working on it! We will announce soon the progress of our work.”

https://cyclingtips.com/news/lappartient-repeats-pledge-increase-fight-hidden-motors/

 

[Craigee]

Lappartient and a doper?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BawwHPVAMqH/?taken-by=alexandrvinokurov

Lappartient and the owner of the team Cookson went to great lengths NOT to ban?

Were I to dare and ask, do you think it likely you would actually explain that comment? Cause as far as I know it is so divorced from reality it ought to come with a decree nisi and alimony payments. Not only did Cookson make efforts to have Astana banned, those efforts are part of the reason he and Lappartient's VP Di Rocco - who has his own links to Astana - had their public falling out leaving the head of the Italian fed one of the plotters working on ousting the hapless Briton and inserting Lappartient in his place.

Gee here we were wrongfully thinking it was Cookson's supposed many faults as the UCI leader that led to the landslide election result. Cookson didn't appear to place much blame on this himself directly after the election.

Do you live in a binary world Craigee, where events have only one cause? Do you live in a world in which all plotting comes off and can be used as the sole explanation for events? Gee...

My opinion is that he was useless as head of the UCI and simply brought about his own downfall. I don't think there was very much plotting involved or needed at all, which is what I alluded to in my last post.

 

[hazaran]

Looks like we can take the question mark out of this thread title. Investigating a 7 year old ride from retired Cancellara after accusations from a US loser who never overlapped with him in any of the four dimensions :lol:

Presumably the first step here will be inventing time travel, then everything that follows is straight forward:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-to-investigate-gaimons-cancellara-mechanical-doping-accusations/

 

[fmk_RoI]

Re:

Looks like we can take the question mark out of this thread title. Investigating a 7 year old ride from retired Cancellara after accusations from a US loser who never overlapped with him in any of the four dimensions :lol:

Presumably the first step here will be inventing time travel, then everything that follows is straight forward:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-to-investigate-gaimons-cancellara-mechanical-doping-accusations/

I think the first step is getting Gaimon to present his evidence. Followed by laughter. And then sniper will present their evidence...

 

[fmk_RoI]

Barfield out, Péraud in.

The purge continues...

 

[thehog]

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Barfield out, Péraud in.

The purge continues...

Peraud’s credential are impressive. Barfield appeared to be intent on tipping odd insiders on Police investigations.

The Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) is pleased to announce the appointment of Jean-Christophe Péraud as Manager of Equipment and the Fight against technological fraud.

Born in Toulouse, France, 40-year-old Jean-Christophe Péraud was a professional road cyclist from 2010 to 2016. Leader of the UCI WorldTeam AG2R La Mondiale, he finished second in the Tour de France in 2014. Previously, from 1998 to 2009, he was a top international mountain bike athlete, and won the silver medal in this discipline at the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games. Throughout his sporting career, he had the opportunity to collaborate regularly with different manufacturers in the cycling world.

Jean-Christophe Péraud holds a University Technological Diploma (Diplôme universitaire de technologie - DUT) in chemical engineering, Bachelor’s and Master’s degrees in process engineering, and a Diploma in energy and environmental engineering obtained at the National Institute of Applied Sciences (Institut National des Sciences Appliquées - INSA) in Lyon (France). During a large part of his career as an elite athlete, Jean-Christophe Péraud worked as an engineer, initially as an Engineer in continuous improvement projects at the Creusot Forge (France) before, until recently, holding the position of engineer in thermal hydraulics for Areva, a French multinational company in the energy sector.

As Manager of Equipment and the Fight against technological fraud, Jean-Christophe Péraud will notably be in charge of the UCI’s management of approval procedures for equipment and clothing used in competition, the management of projects concerning the use of new technologies in cycling events, and the fight against technological fraud.

The UCI President David Lappartient welcomed the appointment of Jean-Christophe Péraud: “Thanks to his solid academic background, his professional career and his experience as a top athlete, he is the ideal person to work, in close collaboration with the UCI Ad hoc Commission, on the modernisation of the current regulations and procedures covering equipment, in particular those concerning the fight against technological fraud. This problematic issue is one of my highest priorities. The credibility of sports results hangs on it. A detailed plan of action in this specific area will be revealed next January.”

The new Manager of Equipment and the Fight against technological fraud Jean-Christophe Péraud said: “Recently retired from the peloton, I wanted to continue working for the sport I love. The challenge I have been offered today fulfils my wish perfectly. I will invest all my energy, and all my knowledge of and expertise in both engineering and the sport of cycling into this role. The UCI already has an effective policy concerning equipment and the fight against technological fraud, but I am convinced that this can still be improved. That is what I will now be working on.”

 

[fmk_RoI]

Lappartient on why he thinks he won:

For me there were two important points that probably made the difference. Firstly, the national federations were expecting a great support from the UCI and to be at the centre of what we are doing [at the UCI]. They felt that [under the previous regime] this was not the case.

The other point is that they [the members] were expecting real leadership in the UCI from the president. They probably felt that I was the better candidate for that.

He continues:

Brian loves cycling. I am sure about this and he tried to do his best.

However, my feeling was that the power of the general director of the administration was too strong and, in part, it was not the elected members really leading the UCI. This was something that I really wanted to change.

I think that Brian was probably surprised himself by the result because he was probably cut off from the reality of the day-to-day business of the UCI.

On the 'proposal' for six-man teams:

This was actually just a discussion on a TV show in France about the safety of the riders. The question was, ‘Do you think that we can have six riders per team one day?’

I said that nothing is forbidden.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Vaughters on Lappartient:

I haven't seen a lot of talk from Lappartient dealing with the actual issues in pro cycling. He tends to speak to problems with public interest as opposed to problems that are real.

I think a lot of the issues he brings up are far-fetched or not rooted in any type of reality. He seems focused on popularising himself, but hopefully that will change once he has settled into the role.

Do I feel like that motors are a genuine problem in pro cycling? Not even a little bit. It's a popular problem that creates headlines. But things such as low-quality hotels, unsafe courses and motorbikes are the real problems.

Here's a thing: you want a real issue that changes races? Sorry, motors? ***. The real issue that is changing the course of almost every single race is TV and commissaire motorbikes getting too close to riders, making it both unsafe and allowing drafting.

Why is that not being addressed? Riders don't talk about motors because they don't see it as an issue. Want to get riders upset? Talk about motor pacing happening every day in the peloton.

 

[thehog]

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Vaughters on Lappartient:

I haven't seen a lot of talk from Lappartient dealing with the actual issues in pro cycling. He tends to speak to problems with public interest as opposed to problems that are real.

I think a lot of the issues he brings up are far-fetched or not rooted in any type of reality. He seems focused on popularising himself, but hopefully that will change once he has settled into the role.

Do I feel like that motors are a genuine problem in pro cycling? Not even a little bit. It's a popular problem that creates headlines. But things such as low-quality hotels, unsafe courses and motorbikes are the real problems.

Here's a thing: you want a real issue that changes races? Sorry, motors? ******. The real issue that is changing the course of almost every single race is TV and commissaire motorbikes getting too close to riders, making it both unsafe and allowing drafting.

Why is that not being addressed? Riders don't talk about motors because they don't see it as an issue. Want to get riders upset? Talk about motor pacing happening every day in the peloton.

Low quality hotels? Lappartient to take on global project to improve the standards of the worlds rural hotels

JV wants his buddy Cookson back it seems.... Lappartient not the push over Brian was.

 

[pastronef]

https://twitter.com/MRasmussen1974/status/930446280748404737

Michael Rasmussen‏
@MRasmussen1974
I am fearing UCI president @DLappartient is going to deliver more hot air a la Cookson for the next 4 years. Article in danish.

 

[deviant]

The TV motorbike issue is legit though, pretty much every GT i've watched in recent years has been adversely affected by some idiot on a motorbike colliding with riders...or some riders cheat by holding onto them, not usually the top contenders admittedly but it's blatant cheating nonetheless...and if i'd been knocked off by one of the TV motorbikes i'd be doing my best to sue for injuries, lost earnings etc...

The hotels issue...pfft, small fry, take your own motorhome for the team leaders if its that much of an issue...like Sky did for Porte at the Giro...or take your own team bedding etc and make the rooms more comfortable, you cant expect small regional hotels in far flung alpine places to be as luxurious as places in Paris when their trade is usually seasonal and they close for half the year....expecting them to shell out loads of money to improve themselves for the one night each year the TdF comes to the village is unrealistic.

 

[veganrob]

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Vaughters on Lappartient:

I haven't seen a lot of talk from Lappartient dealing with the actual issues in pro cycling. He tends to speak to problems with public interest as opposed to problems that are real.

I think a lot of the issues he brings up are far-fetched or not rooted in any type of reality. He seems focused on popularising himself, but hopefully that will change once he has settled into the role.

Do I feel like that motors are a genuine problem in pro cycling? Not even a little bit. It's a popular problem that creates headlines. But things such as low-quality hotels, unsafe courses and motorbikes are the real problems.

Here's a thing: you want a real issue that changes races? Sorry, motors? ******. The real issue that is changing the course of almost every single race is TV and commissaire motorbikes getting too close to riders, making it both unsafe and allowing drafting.

Why is that not being addressed? Riders don't talk about motors because they don't see it as an issue. Want to get riders upset? Talk about motor pacing happening every day in the peloton.

The riders weren't talking about doping being a problem either when they were riding.

 

[Blanco]

Re:

Vaughters on Lappartient:

I haven't seen a lot of talk from Lappartient dealing with the actual issues in pro cycling. He tends to speak to problems with public interest as opposed to problems that are real.

I think a lot of the issues he brings up are far-fetched or not rooted in any type of reality. He seems focused on popularising himself, but hopefully that will change once he has settled into the role.

Do I feel like that motors are a genuine problem in pro cycling? Not even a little bit. It's a popular problem that creates headlines. But things such as low-quality hotels, unsafe courses and motorbikes are the real problems.

Here's a thing: you want a real issue that changes races? Sorry, motors? ******. The real issue that is changing the course of almost every single race is TV and commissaire motorbikes getting too close to riders, making it both unsafe and allowing drafting.

Why is that not being addressed? Riders don't talk about motors because they don't see it as an issue. Want to get riders upset? Talk about motor pacing happening every day in the peloton.

Motors not a problem, lousy hotels on the other hand... Brilliant :lol:

 

[yaco]

Lappartient seems to be 'all over the place' with his public comments - Let's hope he focuses on one or two core issues, as opposed to any scattergun approach.