Hugh Januss said:If you ask me a rider taking a dump where we can see him is not hiding anything.The Hitch said:Maybe. But I don't even want to think about what you would do if you saw a Colombian rider take a dumpRyo Hazuki said:it doesn't but this is the clinic. if they see a rider taking a dump they think he's trying to hide his epoRedheadDane said:Have a bit of a question that doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not Boom rides.
How exactly does too low cortisole levels indicate possible doping? In most cases doping is shown by having too much of something in your blood.![]()
It could be 1 year too late!Billie said:Vino already said in February that they were already planning to leave MPCC after this season btw
Having said that it has exposed riders to low cortisol levels! huh!Benotti69 said:Hugh Januss said:What are the MPCC guidelines other than "look clean"?franic said:Eagle said:How many teams are left in MPCC now? 3 gone in the last 2 months
The real issue is to know how many of them are actually following MPCC guidelines... I guess very few, and among them teams like Vini Fantini unable to win anything
This, 'look clean'. That is all it ever was, JV's idea that teams could do their own internal testing to make sure riders didn't test positive and if they did they got a slap on the wrist for being silly. Apart from that it is just another 'club', more PR to try and sell the sport as 'cleaning up it's act'. Sadly it will take burning down the sport, at this stage, before it will be clean.
Yep. Nothing credible about Astana anyways. Never has, never will be.Escarabajo said:It could be 1 year too late!Billie said:Vino already said in February that they were already planning to leave MPCC after this season btw
cheers, interesting about the night testingmrhender said:sniper said:jeezus, astana still don't have their internal testing sorted out?
Cookson just revealed that night time testing has taken place...
Maybe Boom suffered from a late night CADF visit, exposing the low cortisol values?
Carstenbf said:So is he riding or not?
(guess I'll find out in a couple of hours)
you like hypocrisy?EarnstMorrissey said:Astana are a complete joke. At least the other teams pretend to be clean.
FoxxyBrown1111 said:"the UCI said no because you can't change a rider after the directeur sportif meeting (when rider names and numbers are confirmed). The meeting was held at 10:30 on Friday, the rider analysis arrived at 2:30pm"
That is what you get when committees consist of people having reached their level of incompetence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle
I am siding with Astana 100%. If this bunch of (certainly well) paid functionaries can´t get their act together it isn´t the mistake of Astana.
I mean not even the Neanderthals at FIFA would let a team start a tournament with one player less than the whole opposition because rules and timelines contradict common sense...
mrhender said:The question could be if Astana as part of their "probation" licence and ISSUL audit are required to/have agreed to adhere MPCC rules...
If so, then leaving the MPCC could have consequenses?
Are we witnessing a Cookson pawn move?
hrotha said:There's several layers of hypocrisy here. First of all, pretending to be clean is exactly what Astana is doing - they're in the MPCC, unlike many of those other teams that are also quite loud about their cleanliness, after all. They joined the MPCC as a free PR boost to look good, as nothing but posturing, and are going to quit the instant it requires any sacrifice from them. That's hugely hypocritical of Astana.
But those other teams that didn't join the MPCC do proclaim their cleanliness too, some of them quite loudly. It is very hypocritical of them to claim they'll do anything for clean sport and then stay away from the MPCC - if they thought the MPCC is flawed for some reason, they could easily have started their own thang with stricter standards.
However, at the end of the day, there's a lot to say for pretending to be clean. That's one of my problems with Spanish cycling - the fact that they don't feel they need to pretend to be clean says a lot about its doping culture, in that, if they don't even perceive it as a PR problem, that means they're that much farther from perceiving it as a real problem in itself. In other words, I see this hypocritical stage as unavoidable and necessary to go forward. This, of course, doesn't mean those teams are willing or likely to push forward with antidoping, merely that you have to go through this phase to drag those teams kicking and screaming into a different one.
Na een week lang slapen met Boom in een hoogtetent op de logeerkamer