Lars Boom busted?

[The Hitch]

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I didn't really get the exact meaning of the last paragraph, can someone help me? Will they line up 8 or 9 riders?

If my high school french holds up, Vino: "Either they let us sub in Vanotti, or we line up with Boom, MPCC be damned."

For some reason I had thought Astana's enemies had managed to force Astana to get rid of Vino. Strange. Thought maybe I had read it somewhere.

 

[sniper]

jeezus, astana still don't have their internal testing sorted out?

 

[neineinei]

So why is it the MPCC teams doesn't measure the riders cortisol levels themselves, so they have time to replace riders before the time is up? And why is there no co-operation between UCI, MPCC and the race organisers to have the results of the cortisol tests before the time is up for replacements? The point of the cortisol rule is to protect riders health, not to give non MPCC teams an advantage.

 

[Benotti69]

seems for once we all agree that everyone is cycling is 'shady', it just how 'shady'............

 

[RedheadDane]

Have a bit of a question that doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not Boom rides.
How exactly does too low cortisole levels indicate possible doping? In most cases doping is shown by having too much of something in your blood.

 

[carton]

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I didn't really get the exact meaning of the last paragraph, can someone help me? Will they line up 8 or 9 riders?

If my high school french holds up, Vino: "Either they let us sub in Vanotti, or we line up with Boom, MPCC be damned."

For some reason I had thought Astana's enemies had managed to force Astana to get rid of Vino. Strange. Thought maybe I had read it somewhere.

Revelation 5:7?

 

[Eagle]

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Have a bit of a question that doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not Boom rides.
How exactly does too low cortisole levels indicate possible doping? In most cases doping is shown by having too much of something in your blood.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/europcar-faces-questions-over-pierre-rollands-cortisol-levels-29466

This article explains it somewhat

Low levels of cortisol aren’t a serious danger in themselves; however, as was the case with the 50 per cent haematocrit limit set during the EPO era, the low level of cortisol sets off alarm bells. Crudely speaking, if a rider is taking cortisone (the synthetic version of cortisol) over a period of time, the body reduces the natural production of cortisol, relying instead on exogenous cortisone. When a rider reduces or stops cortisone injections/ingestion, their adrenal glands take time to re-start natural production of cortisol.

 

[mrhender]

UCI/Cookson long game?

I wonder if MPCC membership is part of ISSUL instructions accepted by Astana?

Didn't Cookson said today, that licencing rules have now been changed significantly in regards to last year?


UCI Licence Commission reasoned decicion:

- the Team pleaded in favour of the granting of registration and described preventative and repressive measures taken by the Team to fight against doping, namely participation in the biological passport programme, participation in the "Whereabouts" programme established by the UCI and WADA, as well as membership since 2012 of the Movement for Credible Cycling (MPCC) which lays down additional measures to those imposed by the UCI and WADA;

On the basis of the measures put in place and those announced by the Team, the UCI thus agreed to grant registration for the 2015 season but requested the Commission to submit this registration to the condition that an audit be ordered from the Institute of Sports Science of the University of Lausanne (ISSUL),

These issues were the subject of the session of 23 April 2015 during which ISSUL was invited to specify the conditions that it would impose in order to continue collaboration with the Team. At the end of this session and after a detailed examination and in-depth discussion of the conditions drawn up by ISSUL in view of the session, Astana undertook to abide by all the conditions set out. The nature of these conditions would allow it to conduct an in-depth reform of the manner in which it reduces the risks of doping.

It was agreed that a strict observation of the conditions accepted by Astana, formalised in an agreement signed by Astana and ISSUL on 4 May 2015, would be subject to the Commission’s supervision.

In the event of a failure to respect the terms of the agreement, ISSUL shall inform the Commission which may at any time reopen the proceedings for the withdrawal of the licence. 5. The proceedings would also reopen if there are any new cases of doping or other serious infringements of the regulations.

The Commission retains the option to reopen the procedure. The proceedings are therefore not archived, but suspended.

 

[Eagle]

How many teams are left in MPCC now? 3 gone in the last 2 months

 

[carton]

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Have a bit of a question that doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not Boom rides.
How exactly does too low cortisole levels indicate possible doping? In most cases doping is shown by having too much of something in your blood.

Corticoids and Anabolics were probably the two most abused substances before EPO came along. Corticoids lower the body's production of cortisol -so low cortisol levels are a sign of cortisone abuse (or that a rider is not healthy enough to participate).

Here's a primer: http://inrng.com/2013/06/mpcc-cortisol-test/

 

[Benotti69]

José Been ‏@TourDeJose 36m36 minutes ago
And yes, Vinokourov does a "*** the MPCC" and lets Lars Boom take the start (via @giolippens)

seems Vino told MPCC thanks but no thanks.....

 

[BYOP88]

Machine Calibration Error. #simples

 

[Dazed and Confused]

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How many teams are left in MPCC now? 3 gone in the last 2 months

There will only be French left by the of the day.....

 

[neineinei]

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Have a bit of a question that doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not Boom rides.
How exactly does too low cortisole levels indicate possible doping? In most cases doping is shown by having too much of something in your blood.

What Carton said.

Anti doping Danmark's report gives a good run through of the cortisone issue (page 60 http://www.antidoping.dk/sitetools/downloadcenter/undersoegelser/rapport_om_doping_i_cykelsport). ADD gives MPCC and their cortisone policy, which has led to change of UCI's cortisone policy over time, much praise.

Flere af de ryttere, undersøgelsesgruppen har talt med, har oplyst, at MPCC's regler om brug af kortison har været effektive, og at det først er efter indførelsen af konkurrencepause efter kortisonbehandling, at brugen af stoffet er blevet mindre i feltet.
En person, der er interviewet som støttepersonale til Team CSC, har fortalt undersøgelsesgruppen, at brugen af kortison i feltet i hans øjne er reduceret til næsten ingenting på grund af MPCC's regler.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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Have a bit of a question that doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not Boom rides.
How exactly does too low cortisole levels indicate possible doping? In most cases doping is shown by having too much of something in your blood.

it doesn't but this is the clinic. if they see a rider taking a dump they think he's trying to hide his epo

 

[mrhender]

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jeezus, astana still don't have their internal testing sorted out?

Cookson just revealed that night time testing has taken place...

Maybe Boom suffered from a late night CADF visit, exposing the low cortisol values?

 

[Hugh Januss]

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Have a bit of a question that doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not Boom rides.
How exactly does too low cortisole levels indicate possible doping? In most cases doping is shown by having too much of something in your blood.

it doesn't but this is the clinic. if they see a rider taking a dump they think he's trying to hide his epo

Yes, it does. But don't let facts get in the way of another stupid anti clinic rant.

 

[franic]

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How many teams are left in MPCC now? 3 gone in the last 2 months

The real issue is to know how many of them are actually following MPCC guidelines... I guess very few, and among them teams like Vini Fantini unable to win anything

 

[The Hitch]

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Have a bit of a question that doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not Boom rides.
How exactly does too low cortisole levels indicate possible doping? In most cases doping is shown by having too much of something in your blood.

it doesn't but this is the clinic. if they see a rider taking a dump they think he's trying to hide his epo

Maybe. But I don't even want to think about what you would do if you saw a Colombian rider take a dump

 

[Hugh Januss]

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How many teams are left in MPCC now? 3 gone in the last 2 months

The real issue is to know how many of them are actually following MPCC guidelines... I guess very few, and among them teams like Vini Fantini unable to win anything

What are the MPCC guidelines other than "look clean"?

 

[Hugh Januss]

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Have a bit of a question that doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not Boom rides.
How exactly does too low cortisole levels indicate possible doping? In most cases doping is shown by having too much of something in your blood.

it doesn't but this is the clinic. if they see a rider taking a dump they think he's trying to hide his epo

Maybe. But I don't even want to think about what you would do if you saw a Colombian rider take a dump

If you ask me a rider taking a dump where we can see him is not hiding anything.

 

[Merckx index]

Low levels of cortisol aren’t a serious danger in themselves; however, as was the case with the 50 per cent haematocrit limit set during the EPO era, the low level of cortisol sets off alarm bells. Crudely speaking, if a rider is taking cortisone (the synthetic version of cortisol) over a period of time, the body reduces the natural production of cortisol, relying instead on exogenous cortisone. When a rider reduces or stops cortisone injections/ingestion, their adrenal glands take time to re-start natural production of cortisol.

It’s quite analogous to low retics in the blood following a transfusion. Lowered levels of a natural substance are frequently warning signs of using some exogenous substance.

If Vino says tant pis (LOL, I keep wanting to translate that as "take the piss"--which, when you think about it, has multiple possible meanings in itself) and Boom rides, it will make Horner look better. He and his team actually manned up and he dropped out of the Vuelta--a race, needless to say, for which he was a far bigger factor than Boom is in the Tour.

 

[Benotti69]

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How many teams are left in MPCC now? 3 gone in the last 2 months

The real issue is to know how many of them are actually following MPCC guidelines... I guess very few, and among them teams like Vini Fantini unable to win anything

What are the MPCC guidelines other than "look clean"?

This, 'look clean'. That is all it ever was, JV's idea that teams could do their own internal testing to make sure riders didn't test positive and if they did they got a slap on the wrist for being silly. Apart from that it is just another 'club', more PR to try and sell the sport as 'cleaning up it's act'. Sadly it will take burning down the sport, at this stage, before it will be clean.

 

[hrotha]

Erm, look clean, and also not allow riders to race with low cortisol levels? I think the latter was kinda brought up in this thread.

 

[neineinei]

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Low levels of cortisol aren’t a serious danger in themselves; however, as was the case with the 50 per cent haematocrit limit set during the EPO era, the low level of cortisol sets off alarm bells. Crudely speaking, if a rider is taking cortisone (the synthetic version of cortisol) over a period of time, the body reduces the natural production of cortisol, relying instead on exogenous cortisone. When a rider reduces or stops cortisone injections/ingestion, their adrenal glands take time to re-start natural production of cortisol.

It’s quite analogous to low retics in the blood following a transfusion. Lowered levels of a natural substance are frequently warning signs of using some exogenous substance.

If Vino says tant pis (LOL, I keep wanting to translate that as "take the piss"--which, when you think about it, has multiple possible meanings in itself) and Boom rides, it will make Horner look better. He and his team actually manned up and he dropped out of the Vuelta--a race, needless to say, for which he was a far bigger factor than Boom is in the Tour.

Nothing can make Horner look good. He'd been on cortisone. It was the only solution they saw to get him fit for the Vuelta, and Lampre probably knew that he wasn't fit to race anyway, And less than a year later Lampre didn't want to follow the MPCC policy anymore anyway, and left whining and moaning.