Le Tour 2018 stage 14: Saint-Paul-3-Ch. > Mende 188 km

[Lequack]

Roglic gains and Kruijswijk loses time in fourteenth stage
https://www.teamlottojumbo.com/cycling-news/roglic-gains-and-kruijswijk-loses-time-in-fourteenth-stage

After the stage, Kruijswik congratulating Roglic:

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Dumoulin said when Froome attacked it was Thomas who closed the gap not him. Said that was the interesting part he took away from todays stage

 

[rick james]

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Roglic will probably win about 15 minutes on Bardet in the ITT

it might seem sad but I'd hate for Bardet to win a grand tour with the lack of TT he has and doesn't want to improve it

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

Roglic will probably win about 15 minutes on Bardet in the ITT

it might seem sad but I'd hate for Bardet to win a grand tour with the lack of TT he has and doesn't want to improve it

With the way he rides in the mountains right now, I fully agree

 

[Koronin]

Re: Re:

Roglic will probably win about 15 minutes on Bardet in the ITT

it might seem sad but I'd hate for Bardet to win a grand tour with the lack of TT he has and doesn't want to improve it

In that sense Bardet is reminding me of Purito. If he'd have ever bothered to get better at his TTing he'd have had a shot at winning at least 1 or 2 GTs.

 

[Rollthedice]

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Dumoulin said when Froome attacked it was Thomas who closed the gap not him. Said that was the interesting part he took away from todays stage

Froome is screwed. While he was busy with the Giro and the unfortunate Vuelta affair, G was working quietly but extremely hard to fulfill his dream dating back to God knows when, maybe even when he was in Barloworld, to win the greatest bike race in the world. It's now or never.

 

[Rollthedice]

Re: Re:

Roglic will probably win about 15 minutes on Bardet in the ITT

it might seem sad but I'd hate for Bardet to win a grand tour with the lack of TT he has and doesn't want to improve it

In that sense Bardet is reminding me of Purito. If he'd have ever bothered to get better at his TTing he'd have had a shot at winning at least 1 or 2 GTs.

He was actually winning 2 GTs until something happened. Not TT related.

 

[Red Rick]

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Dumoulin said when Froome attacked it was Thomas who closed the gap not him. Said that was the interesting part he took away from todays stage

Froome is screwed. While he was busy with the Giro and the unfortunate Vuelta affair, G was working quietly but extremely hard to fulfill his dream dating back to God knows when, maybe even when he was in Barloworld, to win the greatest bike race in the world. It's now or never.

I really think Froome and Thomas won't cooperate every stage. There has to be friction within that team.

It's the only tactical card Dumoulin can play

 

[William H]

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Dumoulin said when Froome attacked it was Thomas who closed the gap not him. Said that was the interesting part he took away from todays stage

Dumoulin is definitely trying to play mind games

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

Roglic will probably win about 15 minutes on Bardet in the ITT

it might seem sad but I'd hate for Bardet to win a grand tour with the lack of TT he has and doesn't want to improve it

In that sense Bardet is reminding me of Purito. If he'd have ever bothered to get better at his TTing he'd have had a shot at winning at least 1 or 2 GTs.

He was actually winning 2 GTs until something happened. Not TT related.

Purito has a different build and skillset, and frankly I think Purito did more work on his ITT than he gets credit for. He bombed his share of ITTs but he also had a number of positive outliers in hillier ITTs. Purito never messed up by not being a better ITTer, he messed up by being too passive in the high mountains when he had the chances of a lifetime.

But really Bardet has no place where he can gain time with any reliability. He's a pure climber who doesn't stand out as one of the great climbers nearly enough, and if you're own edge is that thin, you can't not be hyperagressive, and frankly you can't keep going to the Tour every year, do the same freaking thing, pray that the result will be better and claim you did everything you could when it isn't.

 

[hazaran]

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Dumoulin said when Froome attacked it was Thomas who closed the gap not him. Said that was the interesting part he took away from todays stage

Yeah, because he was looking back at Dumoulin, who lost the wheel, and then pressed on himself. You know they televise this stuff now, right?

 

[Koronin]

Re: Re:

Roglic will probably win about 15 minutes on Bardet in the ITT

it might seem sad but I'd hate for Bardet to win a grand tour with the lack of TT he has and doesn't want to improve it

In that sense Bardet is reminding me of Purito. If he'd have ever bothered to get better at his TTing he'd have had a shot at winning at least 1 or 2 GTs.

He was actually winning 2 GTs until something happened. Not TT related.

There are two more that the TTs definitely hurt, and one that was definitely lost because of the TTs.

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

Dumoulin said when Froome attacked it was Thomas who closed the gap not him. Said that was the interesting part he took away from todays stage

Yeah, because he was looking back at Dumoulin, who lost the wheel, and then pressed on himself. You know they televise this stuff now, right?

Honestly, the coverage of the favorites once attacks were happening was pretty poor, and that's my biggest grife with this stage. They kept showing images that showed basically nothing, and they spent too much time on riders who were long dropped, and I don't care how French Romain Bardet is.

 

[hazaran]

Re: Re:

Dumoulin said when Froome attacked it was Thomas who closed the gap not him. Said that was the interesting part he took away from todays stage

Yeah, because he was looking back at Dumoulin, who lost the wheel, and then pressed on himself. You know they televise this stuff now, right?

Honestly, the coverage of the favorites once attacks were happening was pretty poor, and that's my biggest grife with this stage. They kept showing images that showed basically nothing, and they spent too much time on riders who were long dropped, and I don't care how French Romain Bardet is.

I looked at the moto cams on the favourites group from ES and yeah, the one behind stayed on Bardet once he was dropped.. waste of time that was.. but the front one stayed with them and moved to the side when they were gapping Dumoulin:

https://imgur.com/a/rtXHgbB

From the cam, Froome counterattacks Dumoulin and G gives a quick look at TD, then follows. Yeah, it came to nothing, hard to gap anyone on the flat/downhill part there, but if you notice in the picture, it's G in front of Froome - so if he was "chasing" Froome it's only because he wanted to drop TD himself :lol:

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

Dumoulin said when Froome attacked it was Thomas who closed the gap not him. Said that was the interesting part he took away from todays stage

Yeah, because he was looking back at Dumoulin, who lost the wheel, and then pressed on himself. You know they televise this stuff now, right?

Honestly, the coverage of the favorites once attacks were happening was pretty poor, and that's my biggest grife with this stage. They kept showing images that showed basically nothing, and they spent too much time on riders who were long dropped, and I don't care how French Romain Bardet is.

I looked at the moto cams on the favourites group from ES and yeah, the one behind stayed on Bardet once he was dropped.. waste of time that was.. but the front one stayed with them and moved to the side when they were gapping Dumoulin:

https://imgur.com/a/rtXHgbB

From the cam, Froome counterattacks Dumoulin and G gives a quick look at TD, then follows. Yeah, it came to nothing, hard to gap anyone on the flat/downhill part there, but if you notice in the picture, it's G in front of Froome - so if he was "chasing" Froome it's only because he wanted to drop TD himself :lol:

I think he meant that Thomas immediately jumped on Froome's wheel when he attacked, rather than sitting up and letting Dumoulin do it.

In any case, it seems Dumoulin wasn't worried about not getting back at that point, cause at those speeds you get some drag even if there's a bit of a gap

 

[Red Rick]

I just looked at the climbing times, and Fraille was pretty damn quick himself, so I'm pretty sure Stuyven, after his long solo, did a great effort on the climb to Mende himself.

 

[rick james]

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Dumoulin said when Froome attacked it was Thomas who closed the gap not him. Said that was the interesting part he took away from todays stage

Froome is screwed. While he was busy with the Giro and the unfortunate Vuelta affair, G was working quietly but extremely hard to fulfill his dream dating back to God knows when, maybe even when he was in Barloworld, to win the greatest bike race in the world. It's now or never.

you are talking like that's a bad thing

 

[ice&fire]

Re: Re:

Roglic will probably win about 15 minutes on Bardet in the ITT

it might seem sad but I'd hate for Bardet to win a grand tour with the lack of TT he has and doesn't want to improve it

In that sense Bardet is reminding me of Purito. If he'd have ever bothered to get better at his TTing he'd have had a shot at winning at least 1 or 2 GTs.

He was actually winning 2 GTs until something happened. Not TT related.

He was actually winning the Vuelta in 2010 and 2015 until the ITT happened

 

[Lequack]

Roglic: 'The team was great today' | Team LottoNL-Jumbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPk9egrFxqk&feature=youtu.be

 

[Valv.Piti]

Im not a fan of Sagan at all, but looking at his PCS profile and the incredible amount of top-10 in this year's Tour is pretty insane. I don't think I have ever seen that apart from maybe Gilbert in 2011, what consistency.

 

[ThePirate81]

Froome will pull out a second "Bardonecchia" on Stage 17. That's the only way to win.

 

[Walkman]

Re: Re:

Roglic will probably win about 15 minutes on Bardet in the ITT

it might seem sad but I'd hate for Bardet to win a grand tour with the lack of TT he has and doesn't want to improve it

With the way he rides in the mountains right now, I fully agree

"With the way he rides in the mountain"?!

He does not have the legs. He has shown that he is an attacking rider when he can. Now, he can't. What do you think he should do?

 

[Walkman]

Re: Re:

Roglic will probably win about 15 minutes on Bardet in the ITT

it might seem sad but I'd hate for Bardet to win a grand tour with the lack of TT he has and doesn't want to improve it

In that sense Bardet is reminding me of Purito. If he'd have ever bothered to get better at his TTing he'd have had a shot at winning at least 1 or 2 GTs.

You don't think he is trying?!

Geez, do people think everyone can be like SKY or Dumoulin? There is a tradeoff between climbing and TT which can be seen in honest riders. The fact that Dumoulin is out climbing Quintana, Bordet and Landa is f*cking ridiculous. AND he did the Giro.

 

[Keram]

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Im not a fan of Sagan at all, but looking at his PCS profile and the incredible amount of top-10 in this year's Tour is pretty insane. I don't think I have ever seen that apart from maybe Gilbert in 2011, what consistency.

Well Sagan has about ten top tens every Tour and this year he should add two more so it is not outlier for him. But this year as a whole he is better than ever in this aspect. I wrote it couple days ago in his thread. He has almost 70% ratio top tens/racing days this season TTT excluded which is incredible even for his standards. And his top tens in Tours (except TTT) 2012- 11, 2013 - 9, 2014 - 11, 2015- 11, 2016- 10, 2017- 2 of 3, 2018 - 10 so far could be 12

 

[Robert5091]

Chapeau Fraile & Roglic - good to see Lotto J giving it a go again. The Palace Intrigue continues with Wiggo as added entertainment today.