Leading GB cyclist tests positive (yikes)!

[Beech Mtn]

Any bets on him getting a pass?

Cookson just issued a press release:

"We set up an independent taskforce to look into the issue of asthmatics in the peloton along with this case specially. The independent team went over the records of the athlete concerned and once it was confirmed that the athlete was indeed British and spoke English a backdated TUE was issued and the provisional suspension removed. The UCI will not be commenting further on the issue.”

This is a joke, right?

You've been "hogged"

 

[PremierAndrew]

A TUE has no guarantee of being approved. Even if the doctor messed up by not applying for the TUE, there was still absolutely no reason for Yates to be using Terbutaline. He's a very lucky boy to escape a ban, and as is everyone else who has got away with similar things that never reached the media

 

[Irondan]

Any bets on him getting a pass?

Cookson just issued a press release:

"We set up an independent taskforce to look into the issue of asthmatics in the peloton along with this case specially. The independent team went over the records of the athlete concerned and once it was confirmed that the athlete was indeed British and spoke English a backdated TUE was issued and the provisional suspension removed. The UCI will not be commenting further on the issue.”

This is a joke, right?

You've been "hogged"

He's so convincing sometimes..

 

[Beech Mtn]

Any bets on him getting a pass?

Cookson just issued a press release:

"We set up an independent taskforce to look into the issue of asthmatics in the peloton along with this case specially. The independent team went over the records of the athlete concerned and once it was confirmed that the athlete was indeed British and spoke English a backdated TUE was issued and the provisional suspension removed. The UCI will not be commenting further on the issue.”

This is a joke, right?

You've been "hogged"

He's so convincing sometimes..

This is why we miss him when those overzealous mods ban him.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

Re: Re:

Appears he's needed this med for a long time.

Here come the troops!

What I find odd is Yates dropped Goss's inhaler, then OGR start asking teams for one of there's... didn't Yates have one to provide if he asthma?

Even if he uses a different product, what long-term asthmatic would refer to an inhaler as a "puffer thing" ?

Like a diabetic saying they'd run out of "sharp pointy things"

 

[Beech Mtn]

Re:

A TUE has no guarantee of being approved. Even if the doctor messed up by not applying for the TUE, there was still absolutely no reason for Yates to be using Terbutaline. He's a very lucky boy to escape a ban, and as is everyone else who has got away with similar things that never reached the media

I'm not sure he has escaped a ban yet, has he? The Velonews story was wrong. Seems like there's a lot of disinformation being tossed about to muddy the waters. I don't see where, under the rules, he can escape a ban.

But then the rules are more like guidelines, so who knows?

 

[Irondan]

You've been "hogged"

He's so convincing sometimes..

This is why we miss him when those overzealous mods ban him.

Hell, I even miss him when the overzealous mods (I) ban him..

 

[Beech Mtn]

You've been "hogged"

He's so convincing sometimes..

This is why we miss him when those overzealous mods ban him.

Hell, I even miss him when the overzealous mods (I) ban him..

good post.

 

[MTroon]

Has Simon Yates ever had a TUE for Terbutaline or other asthma medication?

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

A TUE has no guarantee of being approved. Even if the doctor messed up by not applying for the TUE, there was still absolutely no reason for Yates to be using Terbutaline. He's a very lucky boy to escape a ban, and as is everyone else who has got away with similar things that never reached the media

I'm not sure he has escaped a ban yet, has he? The Velonews story was wrong. Seems like there's a lot of disinformation being tossed about to muddy the waters. I don't see where, under the rules, he can escape a ban.

But then the rules are more like guidelines, so who knows?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/36169275

 

[carton]

Again, I think there very likely is an abuse of asthma drugs in the pro peloton. Intravenous use seems like a particular problem. And Yates' use of Terbutaline is definitely a bit sketchy, at the very least.

As a fellow asthma sufferer (and hopeless amateur racer) my opinion is "yes, absolutely". Clearly there's abuse occurring, but the fairest way to stop that is to look at their medical history - if like me you were diagnosed with asthma age 3 by your family doctor and hospitalised several time growing up, then you're legit. If you were completely fine until a cycling team doctor diagnosed you age 23, absolutely not.

I think that is very correct. Never understood why Salbutamol was legalized in the first place.

The only reason cyclists 'have' asthma is because of the benefits the inhalers give.

same with a lot of other substances

But on the other hand this is bull. Asthma is a thing. A much bigger thing than doping, to be honest: "approximately 250,000 people die prematurely each year from asthma." Adult-onset asthma is also a thing. I've had asthma since I was basically a newborn, yet my brother started having problems in his mid-twenties. It's basically only exercise-induced now for me (though any respiratory infections and viruses hit me really hard as well). Today I went all out on a foggy hill super-early and I when I got home I used my inhaler for the first time this year. Meanwhile my brother struggles with it daily. Some drugs work better on some people than others and on different situations. Salbutamol is like magic for me now. Two puffs and I'm gold for the day, sometimes even the year. But when I was a kid I had a collectors' set of inhalers just to get me through some nights.

The abuse of asthma drugs is a problem. But stealing a line from an economics writer, every problem doesn't come into the world along with it's twin, solution.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Re:

Again, I think there very likely is an abuse of asthma drugs in the pro peloton. Intravenous use seems like a particular problem. And Yates' use of Terbutaline is definitely a bit sketchy, at the very least.

As a fellow asthma sufferer (and hopeless amateur racer) my opinion is "yes, absolutely". Clearly there's abuse occurring, but the fairest way to stop that is to look at their medical history - if like me you were diagnosed with asthma age 3 by your family doctor and hospitalised several time growing up, then you're legit. If you were completely fine until a cycling team doctor diagnosed you age 23, absolutely not.

I think that is very correct. Never understood why Salbutamol was legalized in the first place.

The only reason cyclists 'have' asthma is because of the benefits the inhalers give.

same with a lot of other substances

But on the other hand this is bull. Asthma is a thing. A much bigger thing than doping, to be honest: "approximately 250,000 people die prematurely each year from asthma." Adult-onset asthma is also a thing. I've had asthma since I was basically a newborn, yet my brother started having problems in his mid-twenties. It's basically only exercise-induced now for me (though any respiratory infections and viruses hit me really hard as well). Today I went all out on a foggy hill super-early and I when I got home I used my inhaler for the first time this year. Meanwhile my brother struggles with it daily. Some drugs work better on some people than others and on different situations. Salbutamol is like magic for me now. Two puffs and I'm gold for the day, sometimes even the year. But when I was a kid I had a collectors' set of inhalers just to get me through some nights.

The abuse of asthma drugs is a problem. But stealing a line from an economics writer, every problem doesn't come into the world along with it's twin, solution.

No, it is not bull. People out there are misusing your disease for performance enhancing, THAT is the problem. Not you, a guy who tries to ride a bike. You should be pissed of as hell given the youth you have had.

My nieces were asthmatic, hell, we even had whole 'colonies' of asthmatic in 'parcs' where they could live and recuperate in Holland.

I am very serious about this, athletes take advantage of this: unacceptable.

16 puffs of Salbutamol a day? Dont buy it.

 

[yaco]

Re: Re:

it's a non story. Of course no one wishes to discuss the most important issue. That all AAFS are supposed to remain private. It's a disgrace that British Cycling has leaked this information to divert attention from their internal issues. A rubbish organisation.

Cyclist who doesn't have asthma is caught taking a non common asthma medication without TUE is a non story!

Really? This is a big story so much so the Guardian has an article on levels of so called asthmatics in sport.

The idea the Yates is only on Terbutaline and this is not part of a cocktail of PEDS is also funny.

Pity you didn't address the crux of my post - The AAF should not be publically released as per WADA guidelines and definitely not by connections with British Cycling - It's a good chance for British cycling to divert noise from their internal issues.

And unfortunately for you Terbutaline is a specified substance and one which doesn't attract a provisional suspension - Maybe check out how specified substances are adjudicated by Anti-Doping bodies.

Problem is when this stuff is publically leaked it gives non-entities there 15 minutes of fame.

 

[yaco]

Re: Re:

Matt Slatter got it from Orica

Matt Slater @mjshrimper
Orica admits this was new drug for Simon Yates, no previous TUE for it. Hard to see how he can avoid a sanction.

Scott Lanyon ‏@thesplanyon2010
@mjshrimper where's that from Matt?

Matt Slater ‏@mjshrimper 27m27 minutes ago
@thesplanyon2010 phoning them up!

Seriously? You can't understand the difference between a drug someone hasn't taken before described as new and a new to market drug?

Did Yates dope?

I think he did and he got caught. Now whether Orica and yates can weasel out of it like lots of others is to be seen, but that doesn't mean they were not cheating.

A new way of doping - Write the prohibited substance on the Doping Control Form - I wonder whether you are a fan of cycling ?

 

[yaco]

Re: Re:

Taking a drug without a TUE is doping. You ask for a TUE, you make sure you got the TUE, and THEN you take the drug. If you don't do so, it is doping just as Epo or transfusion. Either we always go after the doctor, or we always go after the rider. Or even better, we go after both.

Well, yes and...... why start a 'new' first time drug in the middle of a one week race?

Would you not use it in training with your TUE to ensure no adverse effects?

The other worrying part, if it wasn't for the 'leak' this may have never seen the light of day, which tells us the CADF is far from the independent body the UCI claims it is.

EOM.

This is where you display misplaced priorities - An athletes private information should never be released and is in contravention of Anti-Doping protocols.

 

[carton]

Re: Re:

16 puffs of Salbutamol a day? Dont buy it.

Seems sketchy too me as well, but another family member just went to the hospital and had 4 nebulization sessions in a row just last weekend. How much is that? I thought the Terbutaline was really weird until someone brought up turbohalers and I remembered using those way back when.

People out there are misusing your disease for performance enhancing, THAT is the problem.

Look, just to clarify, this is the Clinic, I'm not saying people aren't right to be skeptical. I've posted skeptical comments here about plenty of athletes including Simon Yates. And I agree with you on that statement. It's a huge problem. It sucks that they're using asthma as a smokescreen. Although honestly the Armstrong thing seems so much worse to me. YMMV.

What I'm saying is that there's not a cut and dry issue either. I was actually amongst the first to post a smart-ass quip here but I realize I should've surrounded it with some appropriate context. It's just wrong to state that all cyclists who use asthma medication are dirty. You can be skeptical if someone states that he's asthmatic, that it's late onset, exercise-induced, or that salbutamol doesn't work for them. But all those things are genuine medical issues for people. Are they issues for Simon Yates? Is he dirty? You make up your own mind. But I have to categorically disagree that you can outright assume that is he dirty just because he says he has asthma, late-onset or not (BTW, I don't know where that is claimed).

 

[yaco]

Re:

British cyclist Simon Yates has not been provisionally suspended for failing a drug test at Paris-Nice in March, which his Australian team Orica – GreenEdge blamed on an “administrative error” during treatment for asthma. The drug in question, terbutaline, does not appear on the World Anti-Doping Agency’s prohibited list.
Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/04/news/yates-avoids-provisional-suspension-after-anti-doping-positive_403983#c2wl0XfAva8bVXYL.99

If it's not banned, why would this be an AAF?

Come on - Trying to find some prohibited susbstances on WADA's website can be like finding a needle in a haystack.

 

[yaco]

Re:

Ok guys, take the tinfoil hats off. They put on the doping control form, at the time of the test, he was taking the stuff. Yeah, really trying to hide something when you willfully put on the form at the time of the test you are taking something that doesn't allow you to compete without a TUE?!?!?!

With that said, we could go on and on about justification of taking certain drugs/treatment for "accepted conditions". Why in quotes? Asthma...oh, must be a legitimate issue. He breathed into a plastic container and the little floating ball didn't stay up very long, he must have "asthma", give him drugs.

But, we can show that abnormally/malfunctioning testis that lead to a lower Testosterone level with blood test, MRIs of the pituitary and other testing will show a person could/should take Testosterone as a treatment.

What's the difference? Both benefit the rider from an abnormal health condition, which the drugs clearly help them to compete.

Either they can't breathe, and don't race...or they take this magical drug, and can breathe, and are allowed to compete. How hypocritical is the entire drug/doping situation?

Excellent post - Hit the nail on the head.

 

[gillan1969]

Re: Re:

Ok guys, take the tinfoil hats off. They put on the doping control form, at the time of the test, he was taking the stuff. Yeah, really trying to hide something when you willfully put on the form at the time of the test you are taking something that doesn't allow you to compete without a TUE?!?!?!

With that said, we could go on and on about justification of taking certain drugs/treatment for "accepted conditions". Why in quotes? Asthma...oh, must be a legitimate issue. He breathed into a plastic container and the little floating ball didn't stay up very long, he must have "asthma", give him drugs.

But, we can show that abnormally/malfunctioning testis that lead to a lower Testosterone level with blood test, MRIs of the pituitary and other testing will show a person could/should take Testosterone as a treatment.

What's the difference? Both benefit the rider from an abnormal health condition, which the drugs clearly help them to compete.

Either they can't breathe, and don't race...or they take this magical drug, and can breathe, and are allowed to compete. How hypocritical is the entire drug/doping situation?

Excellent post - Hit the nail on the head.

or....he's worried about glow time as he's slipped up...tells doc..doc enacts contingency plan a

 

[TourOfSardinia]

If they had banned Yates they have had to retroactively ban Dawg for his antics way back when.

I just feel sorry for AleJet who did get a ban and lost some wins due to a similar asthma incident.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandro_Petacchi#Doping_allegations

 

[gillan1969]

Re:

If they had banned Yates they have had to retroactively ban Dawg for his antics way back when.

I just feel sorry for AleJet who did get a ban and lost some wins due to a similar asthma incident.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandro_Petacchi#Doping_allegations

i think froome got his TUE, he problem was it was given by one person rather than the three person panel? the dodgy uci boy...zorzoli i think

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

British cyclist Simon Yates has not been provisionally suspended for failing a drug test at Paris-Nice in March, which his Australian team Orica – GreenEdge blamed on an “administrative error” during treatment for asthma. The drug in question, terbutaline, does not appear on the World Anti-Doping Agency’s prohibited list.
Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/04/news/yates-avoids-provisional-suspension-after-anti-doping-positive_403983#c2wl0XfAva8bVXYL.99

If it's not banned, why would this be an AAF?

I can't see that quote in the text, but it is very wrong. It does appear as it is a beta-2 agonist:

S3. BETA-2 AGONISTS
All beta-2 agonists, including all optical isomers, e.g. d- and l- where relevant, are prohibited.

Velonews has since edited their article apparently...

Seems they were wrong...

At least they can admit it...

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

If they had banned Yates they have had to retroactively ban Dawg for his antics way back when.

I just feel sorry for AleJet who did get a ban and lost some wins due to a similar asthma incident.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandro_Petacchi#Doping_allegations

i think froome got his TUE, he problem was it was given by one person rather than the three person panel? the dodgy uci boy...zorzoli i think

There is a whole thread on this, but to summarise it was deemed OK by WADA.

 

[TheSpud]

Re:

If they had banned Yates they have had to retroactively ban Dawg for his antics way back when.

I just feel sorry for AleJet who did get a ban and lost some wins due to a similar asthma incident.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandro_Petacchi#Doping_allegations

Why? WADA deemed that it was ok - read the thread on it.

 

[TheSpud]

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Even if he uses a different product, what long-term asthmatic would refer to an inhaler as a "puffer thing" ?

Like a diabetic saying they'd run out of "sharp pointy things"

I know lots of asthmatics who refer to it as a 'puffer' certainly, possibly not a 'puffer thing' though.