Netserk said:Have I said I did?
Then shut your mouth then. Clearly there is evidence of people overtaking a motobike with a red flag on the descent, so my post has relevance to the thread and yours have not.
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Netserk said:Have I said I did?
So you decide who get to post and what to post?Ullrich is drunk said:Then shut your mouth then. Clearly there is evidence of people overtaking a motobike with a red flag on the descent, so my post has relevance to the thread and yours have not.
Netserk said:So you decide who get to post and what to post?
DonMI6 said:If it is the case that Quintana (& Rolland for that matter) deliberately passed the official moto displaying a flag, surely there must be a sanction against them. Riders have been DQ'd for less. I'd hate to see the race decided in a courtroom.
It also looks like the exit of tornante 6 (judging by the way the road kicks out on the apex unlike the earlier left-handers 2 and 4) so the moto could easily just be waving them to go through here.Netserk said:That's Vuillemoz and Pantano.
jens_attacks said:true. organizers fault but that's it, people make sometimes mistakes.
now to be completely honest, a leader of the race with instincts of a champion, ruthless, alpha male, mobster like hinault or armstrong for instance would never let his guard down like uran did.
well at least everyone will learn something from this.
Ullrich is drunk said:Then shut your mouth then. Clearly there is evidence of people overtaking a motobike with a red flag on the descent, so my post has relevance to the thread and yours have not.
Cimber said:No its not. Its like saying if a bunch of tiders cross a closed rail-way crossing, all others should do it. That would be the dumbest thing ever.
If you cant trust what the organizers report then you get total anarchy
BigMac said:Quintana sayd HE DID NOT SEE the motorbike with the flag during the descent, when there are multiple photos of him behind a moto with a comissaire holding said flag. There was no way he did not see the bike while it was in front of his group for at least the first 7 bends of the descent. He shot himself in the foot right there. Should have chosen a better excuse. Now that it is clear there was a neutralisation, I can only see fit that Quintana and the rest get the time they got on the descent taken.
Lefevere - as a worried DS with integrity - has all the reason in the world to protest. And what is this rubbish saying Urán should not have let Quintana get away? That he totally deserved what he got because he lacked a winner instinct ? The stage was supposedely neutralised, why on earth should he follow? All those shoulds, all those hypothetical situations... Like a poster eloquentely said in the race thread, if you cannot trust the race organisers, then it becomes total anarchy.
“No, I didn’t see because I was busy enough trying to figure out my own trajectory on slippery roads,” he said. “You can imagine how it is at an altitude 2700 metres, in all that snow – you see motorbikes alright but personally I didn’t notice any red flag.”
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Lefevere - as a worried DS with integrity - has all the reason in the world to protest.
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BigMac said:Quintana sayd HE DID NOT SEE the motorbike with the flag during the descent, when there are multiple photos of him behind a moto with a comissaire holding said flag. There was no way he did not see the bike while it was in front of his group for at least the first 7 bends of the descent. He shot himself in the foot right there. Should have chosen a better excuse. Now that it is clear there was a neutralisation, I can only see fit that Quintana and the rest get the time they got on the descent taken.
Lefevere - as a worried DS with integrity - has all the reason in the world to protest. And what is this rubbish saying Urán should not have let Quintana get away? That he totally deserved what he got because he lacked a winner instinct ? The stage was supposedely neutralised, why on earth should he follow? All those shoulds, all those hypothetical situations... Like a poster eloquentely said in the race thread, if you cannot trust the race organisers, then it becomes total anarchy.
UlleGigo said:What a stupid idea.
Quintana is in pink on merit.
Uran or Evans or somebody else would have seen Quintana go on the descent (if they didn't then they should have) and it doesn't matter what the race radio is saying if your main rival goes up the road you follow him (1).
I believe Quintana didn't know about the neutralisation on the descent and he attacked. Once that happens then its game on for me.
Any time penalties for Quintana make a joke of the event organisers and make a joke of Uran if he accepts the race leaders jersey back when he knows he doesn't deserve it. (2)
BigMac said:1 - No. You have to obey. This is not the Banana Republic. You do what the organisers tell you to do, period. Absolutely no point in following your rival when the race is supposedely neutralised.
2 - The organisers made a joke out of themselves to start with. Time penalties on Quintana and the rest that went it him is the only descent way of try and put this whole patethic situation back on track.