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I cannot speak for Greg, or others on ADR, but I can say that Van Mol certainly 'aided' riders that were willing to take the plunge into the murk of PEDs. In the lead up to the 1989 World Champs I was sent, via a soigneur, a collection of 'preparations' for the intensive training period... most of the products were innocent enough: injectable vitamins, minerals, glucose-phosphates; but there were one or two products that certainly contravened the FICP listing. These were unceremoniously dumped in a rubbish bin. Our program on ADR was split between 'the big-boys' (Lemond, Plankaert, Van Holen, Hoste, Kuum, Lammerts et al) and 'the also rans'... a great deal of this era's practices can be accessed via Joe Parkin's 'Dog in a Hat' book. Joe rode for ADR's 'second-team - HUMO, and has similar recollections to myself and a lot of the younger guys on the team. Whilst the younger guys were rarely witness to 'practices', they certainly occurred.

I for one would be devastated if it came to light that Greg was doping in 89... but such is my cynicism that it wouldn't surprise me either, knowing what I know of the team structure.
 
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esafosfina said:
I cannot speak for Greg, or others on ADR, but I can say that Van Mol certainly 'aided' riders that were willing to take the plunge into the murk of PEDs. In the lead up to the 1989 World Champs I was sent, via a soigneur, a collection of 'preparations' for the intensive training period... most of the products were innocent enough: injectable vitamins, minerals, glucose-phosphates; but there were one or two products that certainly contravened the FICP listing. These were unceremoniously dumped in a rubbish bin. Our program on ADR was split between 'the big-boys' (Lemond, Plankaert, Van Holen, Hoste, Kuum, Lammerts et al) and 'the also rans'... a great deal of this era's practices can be accessed via Joe Parkin's 'Dog in a Hat' book. Joe rode for ADR's 'second-team - HUMO, and has similar recollections to myself and a lot of the younger guys on the team. Whilst the younger guys were rarely witness to 'practices', they certainly occurred.

I for one would be devastated if it came to light that Greg was doping in 89... but such is my cynicism that it wouldn't surprise me either, knowing what I know of the team structure.
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And who are you?
 
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esafosfina said:
I cannot speak for Greg, or others on ADR, but I can say that Van Mol certainly 'aided' riders that were willing to take the plunge into the murk of PEDs. In the lead up to the 1989 World Champs I was sent, via a soigneur, a collection of 'preparations' for the intensive training period... most of the products were innocent enough: injectable vitamins, minerals, glucose-phosphates; but there were one or two products that certainly contravened the FICP listing. These were unceremoniously dumped in a rubbish bin. Our program on ADR was split between 'the big-boys' (Lemond, Plankaert, Van Holen, Hoste, Kuum, Lammerts et al) and 'the also rans'... a great deal of this era's practices can be accessed via Joe Parkin's 'Dog in a Hat' book. Joe rode for ADR's 'second-team - HUMO, and has similar recollections to myself and a lot of the younger guys on the team. Whilst the younger guys were rarely witness to 'practices', they certainly occurred.

I for one would be devastated if it came to light that Greg was doping in 89... but such is my cynicism that it wouldn't surprise me either, knowing what I know of the team structure.
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Where you active when EPO became available? I'm under the impression that it really changed the sport.

Who was the manager of ADR?

Sorry if I'm being nosy, I'm just very curious.:D


ps. Did the manager ever notice that you were not taking your "products"?
 
Dr. Maserati

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Robert21 said:
It's not for me to say, but I know that esafosfina is a former professional world champion. ;)
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Correct - but mean....
Benotti69 said:
Johan Museeuw?
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Hahahaha...... you think JM dumped his stuff in the trash?

It is not sooo hard to work out - but that is for them to do so, and it is great to have someone who rode at the level to add to any discussions here.
 
Dr. Maserati

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Benotti69 said:
Colin Sturgess.

Edit:posted before seeing Irish's post.
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And still wrong.

If you wish to know - pm them. I doubt they will have any problem - but if they do it is hardly fair to out them here.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
And still wrong.

If you wish to know - pm them. I doubt they will have any problem - but if they do it is hardly fair to out them here.
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I'd say he's right. There can't be a second with that profile.
(or the poster who said he was a world champion was wrong)
 
esafosfina

esafosfina

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ToreBear said:
Where you active when EPO became available? I'm under the impression that it really changed the sport.

Who was the manager of ADR?

Sorry if I'm being nosy, I'm just very curious.:D


ps. Did the manager ever notice that you were not taking your "products"?
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Hi ToreBear, yes unfortunately I was active when EPO was first touted as a PED, and yes again, it changed the sport and cost a lot of clean riders a great deal. My DS at ADR was Jose de Cauwer, and we had Willy Jossaert and a guy called Hubert (sorry, I can't remember his surname!) as domestic, ie; Belgian based DSs. You're not being nosy, just showing interest, it's fine.

It was noticed quite early that I wasn't keen on following the party line with regards to 'products'... I'll be the first to admit that De Cauwer never once pressured me... I think he knew I had a freakish natural ability. (Shame I never realised it!)
 
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Benotti69 said:
And who are you?
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One of the basic rules of the CN Forum is we respect people's privacy. Please refrain from 'outing' people. AND people are more than welcome to shre there real World identity if they wish.

Any further specualtion will result in a suspension of posting privledges.

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esafosfina

esafosfina

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Thanks Terry - Admin. I'm ok with people knowing who I am, I'm just not a person that likes to big note myself.
 
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esafosfina said:
Hi ToreBear, yes unfortunately I was active when EPO was first touted as a PED, and yes again, it changed the sport and cost a lot of clean riders a great deal. My DS at ADR was Jose de Cauwer, and we had Willy Jossaert and a guy called Hubert (sorry, I can't remember his surname!) as domestic, ie; Belgian based DSs. You're not being nosy, just showing interest, it's fine.

It was noticed quite early that I wasn't keen on following the party line with regards to 'products'... I'll be the first to admit that De Cauwer never once pressured me... I think he knew I had a freakish natural ability. (Shame I never realised it!)
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Hi there, good to see you in here. As you may have seen from another thread, you are my last childhood "hero" without an asterix next to their name...

I learnt to ride the boards as a kid at Saffron Lane in the early 90's and the story of your world title never got boring no matter how many times I heard it! So for the inspiration that gave me back then, thank you.
 
Benotti69

Benotti69

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Gregga said:
Well, latest posts answering this question have just been moderated :confused:
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And i have been rightly wrist slapped :D

Apologies to esafosfina, of course i respect your wish to remain anonymous. :)
 
esafosfina

esafosfina

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Thank you for the kind comments. I hope I can be an unbiased voice and shed some light on those times in the peloton!

PS. The avatar gives away my id!
 
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