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[thehog]

Anyone have a link to this video? I've seen bits and peices of it on the internet but never the whole report.

Also, if possible, could someone send me the link to the infamous "speech" Armstrong gave I think at his last Tour while on the podium with Ivan Basso and (I believe it was) Ullrich? I can't find that one anywhere either for some reason.

Thanks in advance.

The podium speech has disappeared!

 

[Zam_Olyas]

The podium speech has disappeared!

Correct. I was watching P&P **** that day and the comments they made after his speech was funny.

 

[thirteen]

Also, if possible, could someone send me the link to the infamous "speech" Armstrong gave I think at his last Tour while on the podium with Ivan Basso and (I believe it was) Ullrich? I can't find that one anywhere either for some reason.

Thanks in advance.

couldn't find the video (yet), but here is an mp3.

eta: video here (at the end -- the rest is kind of an ode to Lance, sorry )

and here's one without music but with Phil Liggett -- pick your poison.

 

[D-Queued]

couldn't find the video (yet), but here is an mp3.

eta: video here (at the end -- the rest is kind of an ode to Lance, sorry )

And the original BBC Article is here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4713283.stm

Dave.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Oh please LeMond. The victim.

WTH are you talking about?

I've got ADD. I was abused at 12yrs old.

Umm, he's been saying it for years, it's not like he's just "suddenly" made this kind of thing up, you really need to get out more.

Not saying it isn't true...just adds to the long list of celebrities and personalities that have "issues" and baggage.

Well, if "you're not saying it isn't true" then why are you questioning it from the getgo? please explain

He is so brave for speaking now.

see my response earlier, he's been saying it for years, not something new.

Isn't anybody the least bit suspicious of LeMond and his amazing 3 tour wins? Against guys that were known/admitted dopers?

Who exactly are you talking about here? what "admitted dopers" are you speaking of? afaik, there's only been Fignot who's come out AFTERWARDS and admitted it. Lemond won BEFORE Indurain, BEFORE Wonderboy, BEFORE most of the dopers have been caught. Please cite these "admitted dopers" names please.....

He was losing big time till his retirement in '94 to riders who were cheating/doping.

Do you have 1 CREDIBLE source(former rider/teammate/coach/etc) that claims he did dope? please explain...please post it, so we can all see it.


Do you have that CREDBILE source(s)?

 

[86TDFWinner]

radio interview with LeMond with Ger Gilroy on Newstalk radio.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Wonderboy issued a statement saying more things about LeMond, or that he's going to sue him for slander. Wonderboy's just the type to do something like that.

 

[86TDFWinner]

As for Lemond, the risk of getting caught then is one thing, but with someone as prominent as Lemond, I have difficulty seeing Lance and friends not being able to dig up anything at all.

They've tried and couldn't come up with anything, so they decided to make up/create BS and try to stick it on Greg as if it actually happened & it still didn't work, so they tried another tactic. I think Wonderboy is/was legit mad bc he just couldn't find anything on Greg. Probably speaks to the greatness of LeMond, and the ******bag that is Wonderboy.

 

[D Avoid]

Lemond and so called ADD

I was going to post the radio link but notice it has been done above.. I have known about the ADD link to sport for a while now and Greg is the first sportsman I have come across who has made the connection. The story is that even though it badly affects concentration it still allows you to focus on one thing to the exclusion of all else. It especially helps in training by allowing the individual to do 6 hours winter training without much problem other than total fatigue and severe pain, then afterwards to let all who would pass know of their Herculian effort!!Long live the King, Greg I mean!! Oh and Paul Kimmage has it as well!! My diagnosis. Stefan Roche as well!!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Stefan Roche as well!!

If you mean Stephen Roche, he had EPO as well.

 

[veganrob]

I was going to post the radio link but notice it has been done above.. I have known about the ADD link to sport for a while now and Greg is the first sportsman I have come across who has made the connection. The story is that even though it badly affects concentration it still allows you to focus on one thing to the exclusion of all else. It especially helps in training by allowing the individual to do 6 hours winter training without much problem other than total fatigue and severe pain, then afterwards to let all who would pass know of their Herculian effort!!Long live the King, Greg I mean!! Oh and Paul Kimmage has it as well!! My diagnosis. Stefan Roche as well!!

Here is a good story from a few years ago in Bicycling.

http://www.bicycling.com/news/featured-stories/riding-my-ritalin

I know Adam very well from when he was at Marion. I built some race bikes for him. Really nice guy and really strong rider.

 

[thehog]

The Mechanic, the Doper, his Wife and her Gardner.

The ex-wife.

On what a tryst we have with the ex-wife.

I can only imagine is was like the film Sleeping with the enemy.

 

[pelodee]

It was Julian devries. He was lead mechanic on USPS but was also Greg, and Eddies, mecahinic

He mentioned this in his interview with The Competitor Show (stream or download) for anyone interested. It's from 2006 not long after the Landis positive and over an hour long.

 

[inbrugge]

the thing about Greg Lemonds time in the sport is that the drugs available made only small improvements, perhaps 3% as an informed guess.
Thi is a stark contrast to the mid 1990's where gains were massive, 15% PLUS. It became a game of who wanted to take the biggest risk and who wanted it the most, best Dr etc.
I have lived with and known many other pro cyclists for a number f years and Lemond was a bit of a hero when he came to Belgium. He was just simpler better.
I believe he was clean, or very close to it. He was a world beater from late teens, with the biggest VO2 max ever. He was the last true clean champions in my view. LA would have been an hour behind in the Tour without boosting his blood by such a large amount.

 

[ToreBear]

I was going to post the radio link but notice it has been done above.. I have known about the ADD link to sport for a while now and Greg is the first sportsman I have come across who has made the connection. The story is that even though it badly affects concentration it still allows you to focus on one thing to the exclusion of all else. It especially helps in training by allowing the individual to do 6 hours winter training without much problem other than total fatigue and severe pain, then afterwards to let all who would pass know of their Herculian effort!!Long live the King, Greg I mean!! Oh and Paul Kimmage has it as well!! My diagnosis. Stefan Roche as well!!

ADD is per the latest DSM-IV diagnostic manual called ADHD.

It has three subtypes:
-Predominantly hyperactive-impulsive
-Combined hyperactive-impulsive and inattentive
-Predominantly inattentive

The two first subtypes are likely to derive benefit from intensive training. It leads to a feeling of competence in the sport, and also might reduce the inatentivnes due to the training. Lack of emotional achievent when sitting still can be countered by felt achievent while doing sport.

However all sports might not suit the same ADHD group. Cycling seems like a good fit for the first two groups, hence the number of individuals with ADHD is likely to be higher in cycling than the general population.

I don't see any physical performance benefit in having ADHD within cycling, not even if medicated with stimulants.(as long as correct dossages are adhered to).

 

[zigmeister]

the thing about Greg Lemonds time in the sport is that the drugs available made only small improvements, perhaps 3% as an informed guess.
Thi is a stark contrast to the mid 1990's where gains were massive, 15% PLUS. It became a game of who wanted to take the biggest risk and who wanted it the most, best Dr etc.
I have lived with and known many other pro cyclists for a number f years and Lemond was a bit of a hero when he came to Belgium. He was just simpler better.
I believe he was clean, or very close to it. He was a world beater from late teens, with the biggest VO2 max ever. He was the last true clean champions in my view. LA would have been an hour behind in the Tour without boosting his blood by such a large amount.

Haha...OK.

Nothing that would increase anything more than 3%?

You do realize that 3% is a world of difference at that level. Hence, why LeMond was 3% better than everybody else who were known dopers at the time.

Curios isn't it?

 

[GJB123]

Haha...OK.

Nothing that would increase anything more than 3%?

You do realize that 3% is a world of difference at that level. Hence, why LeMond was 3% better than everybody else who were known dopers at the time.

Curios isn't it?

Ah you are back. In the mean time have you found any linkable evidence for Lemond using PED's? Have you managed to find any competitor or team mate willing to go on record that Lemond doped?

Hmm, I guess not. Must be a b!tch that your hero is losing all his results back to '98 and you still haven't found any ways to dent the legacy of Lemond. But keep trying though, every community needs its court jester/village id!ot.

Regards
GJ

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Oh please LeMond. The victim.

I've got ADD. I was abused at 12yrs old.

WTF do so many people out there after 30yrs of not saying a word, then come out and start making accusations about things like abuse?

Not saying it isn't true...just adds to the long list of celebrities and personalities that have "issues" and baggage.

He is so brave for speaking now.


Isn't anybody the least bit suspicious of LeMond and his amazing 3 tour wins? Against guys that were known/admitted dopers?

This post reads like another person who posts things against anything Lemond.

 

[fatandfast]

This post reads like another person who posts things against anything Lemond.

he left out that Trek crumpled under pressure, that his training equipment was lackluster after Armstrong started marketing a similar line. The MS charity endorsement never got the traction because Lance kept on having all the yellow bracelet drones pay to ride with him. The Jr program he launched never really blossomed compared to Livestrong DT/U23. And man SI and the other mainstream dropped him like a bag of steamy after Lance came along and he has been getting all the attention ever since.
What's a guy gotta do?? Gunshots,depression,child abuse,business failure,nobody will listen, I mean come on give Greg a chance after all "Lance has been trying to destroy me for 10 years".
Greg probably made it easier for Lance by showing up to his press conference and trying to punk him.

lets all get back to using Scott drop in handlebars asap. 3 is the new 7

http://www.lemondfitness.com

or if you like yellow

http://www.livestrongfitness.com

 

[runninboy]

I don't see any physical performance benefit in having ADHD within cycling, not even if medicated with stimulants.(as long as correct dossages are adhered to).

Well personally i think the ADHD is secondary to being abused. Not a professional opinion, but I remember reading studies of psychological makeup of people at the top of their field having tremendous motivation to succeed. Many times because of a low sense of self worth at a young age. They strive to prove to themselves and others that they are worthy of love. Then when they are successful they continue on the path because of all the positive reinforcement they receive. At a young age athletic success in sports such as running /cycling, in many cases is the ability to tolerate more suffering. The harder you can push yourself the greater the adaptation and the more fit you become. Eventually, whether you are pushing yourself beyond your limits to punish yourself or receive gratification from others attention the end result is the same. You become more fit but even more important you are psychologically adapted to tolerating suffering. There are studies that prove adaptation of suffering. They say it is less painful for a 4 minute miler to run his best mile , then a 5 minute miler to run his best. Greg received alot of positive reinforcement as a junior rider competing and beating the best senior riders in the nation. But the more success he had the more he needed to counter his personal feelings of being worthless. Abusers instill the idea in their victims that the victim is somehow different and that is why they are being abused. That the victim invites the abuse because they are no good.This is what allows the abuser to return over & over without getting caught, the victim believes that they are somehow less than normal and that they brought the abuse upon themselves. They are guilty for being "bad" and that it was so apparent that the abuser was able to recognize it. They live in fear of being found out to be "bad" by others so they strive to overachieve not only for their own self worth but to camoflauge who they might really be.

 

[BillytheKid]

The problem with Lemond is that his bicycle sales where eclipsed by the the rise of Armstrong. Lemond, I think, felt he had his legacy stolen, and I've often wondered at his "puritan" motives evan if he had his finger on the pulse of the rise of EPO. It is so often in sport that a new icon comes along and the old limelight is gone with its financial windfall.

So it was time to get vocal? I find it hard to believe that Lemond lived in a vacuum and was not aware of the PED use of his generation that Fignon said was wide-spread and Fignon himself admitted to. It just was not the super juice.

Lemond was never vocal about PED use during his career, but only when it affected his endorsement value. Money will talk. Similarly, Fignon went to his grave believing that Lemond's use of tri bars had cheated him out of the 1989 tour in the same light.

I cheered at Lemond's 1989 victory as much as anyone. It got me riding again, but some 22 years later I see it differently, the bars were indeed an unfair. Had their great advantage been known, he would never been allowed their use. Especially when the first ITT was 73 km and saw Lemond take massive time and the yellow.

Perhaps Lemond's true nature shows through in the 1982 Worlds when he clearly chases down his own teammate, Jonathan Boyer, in the final:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjZnpXZ9MP4

Even if Boyer was fading, you wait for the catch and the the follow or hope every one starts looking around and Boyer survives. Lemond closes the gap on Boyer and not only destroy's Boyer's chance, but his own, by pulling the chase group up and burning up his own energy for a counter attack.

The ADHD/abuse story arrives at the crowning moment of Armstrong's demise. It may be true, but I look at this as more self-serve ice cream. Cashing in and getting some press. Lemond has a history of victimology. Revisit 1985 and Hinault. Cry for the cameras and forget your getting paid to defend the yellow not take it off your teammate's shoulders.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

he left out that Trek crumpled under pressure, that his training equipment was lackluster after Armstrong started marketing a similar line. The MS charity endorsement never got the traction because Lance kept on having all the yellow bracelet drones pay to ride with him. The Jr program he launched never really blossomed compared to Livestrong DT/U23. And man SI and the other mainstream dropped him like a bag of steamy after Lance came along and he has been getting all the attention ever since.
What's a guy gotta do?? Gunshots,depression,child abuse,business failure,nobody will listen, I mean come on give Greg a chance after all "Lance has been trying to destroy me for 10 years".
Greg probably made it easier for Lance by showing up to his press conference and trying to punk him.

lets all get back to using Scott drop in handlebars asap. 3 is the new 7

http://www.lemondfitness.com

or if you like yellow

http://www.livestrongfitness.com

Well I guess you got everything that the zigmester missed.
It was an awkward moment when Greg showed up and punked Lance but that was a small payback on Greg's part. I would have done the same thing and probably more.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The problem with Lemond is that his bicycle sales where eclipsed by the the rise of Armstrong. Lemond, I think, felt he had his legacy stolen, and I've often wondered at his "puritan" motives evan if he had his finger on the pulse of the rise of EPO. It is so often in sport that a new icon comes along and the old limelight is gone with its financial windfall.

So it was time to get vocal? I find it hard to believe that Lemond lived in a vacuum and was not aware of the PED use of his generation that Fignon said was wide-spread and Fignon himself admitted to. It just was not the super juice.

Lemond was never vocal about PED use during his career, but only when it affected his endorsement value. Money will talk. Similarly, Fignon went to his grave believing that Lemond's use of tri bars had cheated him out of the 1989 tour in the same light.

I cheered at Lemond's 1989 victory as much as anyone. It got me riding again, but some 22 years later I see it differently, the bars were indeed an unfair. Had their great advantage been known, he would never been allowed their use. Especially when the first ITT was 73 km and saw Lemond take massive time and the yellow.

Perhaps Lemond's true nature shows through in the 1982 Worlds when he clearly chases down his own teammate, Jonathan Boyer, in the final:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjZnpXZ9MP4

Even if Boyer was fading, you wait for the catch and the the follow or hope every one starts looking around and Boyer survives. Lemond closes the gap on Boyer and not only destroy's Boyer's chance, but his own, by pulling the chase group up and burning up his own energy for a counter attack.

The ADHD/abuse story arrives at the crowning moment of Armstrong's demise. It may be true, but I look at this as more self-serve ice cream. Cashing in and getting some press. Lemond has a history of victimology. Revisit 1985 and Hinault. Cry for the cameras and forget your getting paid to defend the yellow not take it off your teammate's shoulders.

Hi Billy
Here is an interview from 98 - before your hero the Lance was winning Tours (now all gone) and even before Festina.
In it he talks about doping, and doping during his era.
http://www.roble.net/marquis/coaching/lemond98.html

 

[Race Radio]

The problem with Lemond is that his bicycle sales where eclipsed by the the rise of Armstrong. Lemond, I think, felt he had his legacy stolen, and I've often wondered at his "puritan" motives evan if he had his finger on the pulse of the rise of EPO. It is so often in sport that a new icon comes along and the old limelight is gone with its financial windfall.

So it was time to get vocal? I find it hard to believe that Lemond lived in a vacuum and was not aware of the PED use of his generation that Fignon said was wide-spread and Fignon himself admitted to. It just was not the super juice.

Lemond was never vocal about PED use during his career, but only when it affected his endorsement value. Money will talk. Similarly, Fignon went to his grave believing that Lemond's use of tri bars had cheated him out of the 1989 tour in the same light.

I cheered at Lemond's 1989 victory as much as anyone. It got me riding again, but some 22 years later I see it differently, the bars were indeed an unfair. Had their great advantage been known, he would never been allowed their use. Especially when the first ITT was 73 km and saw Lemond take massive time and the yellow.

Perhaps Lemond's true nature shows through in the 1982 Worlds when he clearly chases down his own teammate, Jonathan Boyer, in the final:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjZnpXZ9MP4

Even if Boyer was fading, you wait for the catch and the the follow or hope every one starts looking around and Boyer survives. Lemond closes the gap on Boyer and not only destroy's Boyer's chance, but his own, by pulling the chase group up and burning up his own energy for a counter attack.

The ADHD/abuse story arrives at the crowning moment of Armstrong's demise. It may be true, but I look at this as more self-serve ice cream. Cashing in and getting some press. Lemond has a history of victimology. Revisit 1985 and Hinault. Cry for the cameras and forget your getting paid to defend the yellow not take it off your teammate's shoulders.

Wow, you captured all the Fanboy talking points in one post!

Simple facts

Greg talked out against doping for decades

Armstrong bragged to multiple people that he was going to get with Burke and sink Greg. 8 years left on his deal and Trek stopped promoting and developing it.

Babble on

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Hi Billy
Here is an interview from 98 - before your hero the Lance was winning Tours (now all gone) and even before Festina.
In it he talks about doping, and doping during his era.
http://www.roble.net/marquis/coaching/lemond98.html

This is going to hurt. But I will watch anyhow.

 

[BillytheKid]

Hi Billy
Here is an interview from 98 - before your hero the Lance was winning Tours (now all gone) and even before Festina.
In it he talks about doping, and doping during his era.
http://www.roble.net/marquis/coaching/lemond98.html

As I said, Lemond had his finger on the pulse of EPO post career, but win it began to hurt his legacy is when he got at Armstrong. Notice he says " "It has become much more medical."

Ha, that's funny. EPO is better juice that existed before?

That's like saying they just don't cheat fair like they use to in my day.

Armstrong is a fallen hero, but all I am saying is he's no worse than his accusers. Sad, so very sad.