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[86TDFWinner]

Found a cool interview W/Lemond(it's from "Pedal Magazine"-does this mag even exist still?), enjoy:

http://youtu.be/6M4aRkSw0ZM

 

[D Avoid]

LeBlond in the Irish Times today.


http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/health/2012/1009/1224325057017.html



For all its downsides I think people may not realise that it brings out the

funniest in its "sufferers", grade A comedians and they don't even need

material, just carry on as usual and it flies outta there mouths, Mr Robbing

Williams being an example and I think he's a bit of a bike nut *** well, don'

quote me on that!!

 

[pelodee]

Mr Robbing

Williams being an example and I think he's a bit of a bike nut *** well, don'

quote me on that!!

I thought that was coke which funnily enough is similar to ritalin, Lance is his Mindy.

 

[Circuit]

Boyer was deffinitely a victim of Lemond at the 82 Worlds.

You know that before 1985, there wasn't an official pro national championship, and Boyer was trying to get the world's to act as the US National Championships, so whoever finished highest for the Americans got to claim themselves as national champion, which LeMond thought was idiotic because it would force them to ride as individuals, Boyer attacked LeMond the whole time, then when LeMond went for the win, a little too early, Boyer becomes the victim.

 

[Rousel]

this is a piece from earlier this year with lemond. it's mostly about him visiting with his old belgian coach. the ending has a minute or so devoted to 'doping/lance' questions. good stuff from sporza.

http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/videozone/MG_sportnieuws/MG_wielrennen/1.1343830

 

[esafosfina]

this is a piece from earlier this year with lemond. it's mostly about him visiting with his old belgian coach. the ending has a minute or so devoted to 'doping/lance' questions. good stuff from sporza.

http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/videozone/MG_sportnieuws/MG_wielrennen/1.1343830

Great to see this... team-mate and DS in one interview...

 

[GPdesAmeriques]

this is a piece from earlier this year with lemond. it's mostly about him visiting with his old belgian coach. the ending has a minute or so devoted to 'doping/lance' questions. good stuff from sporza.

http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/videozone/MG_sportnieuws/MG_wielrennen/1.1343830

José de Cauwer >>> Phil Liggett

 

[esafosfina]

José de Cauwer >>> Phil Liggett

No... no comparison, sorry mate! Jos was a professional's professional (Hennie Kuiper couldn't scratch himself without help from Jose), and a brilliantly tactical DS... not three bad as a commentator either!

 

[runninboy]

You know that before 1985, there wasn't an official pro national championship, and Boyer was trying to get the world's to act as the US National Championships, so whoever finished highest for the Americans got to claim themselves as national champion, which LeMond thought was idiotic because it would force them to ride as individuals, Boyer attacked LeMond the whole time, then when LeMond went for the win, a little too early, Boyer becomes the victim.

well Boyer really cannot consider himself to be too much of a victim. When you see how Saronni just blew by him leaving Lemond in the dust as well, it is obvious that Saronni was gonna dust Boyer no matter what. If Lemond didn't go Saronni would have went , it was obvious he was on the top of his game that day and had tremendous legs at the finish. The catch would have happened closer to the line but Boyer would still have faded off the podium.

 

[runninboy]

For Lemond this could be a factor on an individual level. But on a general level I doubt there is a higher level of abuse history compared to the general population.

Reactions to abuse have many variables. Psychological makeup of the victim, relation to the abuser(parent, significant/trusted adult etc), age of first abuse, continuation of abuse etc. All these factor can lead to different reactions. Lethargy, depression, anxiety, agression etc. I frankly don't see that much connection with sport.

well it did make a difference in Lemonds case

from the 2007 interview from Paul Kimmage a brief excerpt.

“By 1993 I was just so fatigued and I don’t know if it was because everybody was on EPO, I really don’t, but I was checked out for every possible problem there could be health-wise. I went to see a sports doctor and he said, ‘Greg, there is nothing wrong with you; if you want to race well, you go to [Dr X], you need
to contact him, because if you’re not on EPO, you don’t have a chance’.”.

“And did you?” I ask. “No.” “You never considered it?” “I had already won three Tours – and I don’t know if this is on the record – but I don’t think I could have survived a positive drug test. I’m talking psychologically.” “Why do you not want that on the record?” I ask.

“Because it has to do with my sexual abuse.”.

“I think you can put that on the record,” says Kathy. “Everybody knows what happened.”.

Her husband’s eyes well with tears. “I know,” he counters, “but it’s something I wasn’t prepared to come out with until I was forced to, until that phone call [from Geoghegan]... I’ve dealt with a lot of therapy on this and...”.

He pauses to compose himself. “We’ve done a lot of talking about this,” Kathy says. “Why wouldn’t Greg have gone to [Dr X]? Why not? I think Greg was carrying such a load of shame that, like he said, he couldn’t have survived a positive drug test, he probably couldn’t. He had to have something to hold on to that was pure and good about himself, and cycling was that.”.

I don't think it is so much in the general population, but for some like Greg it is definitely a driving factor.

 

[Circuit]

well Boyer really cannot consider himself to be too much of a victim. When you see how Saronni just blew by him leaving Lemond in the dust as well, it is obvious that Saronni was gonna dust Boyer no matter what. If Lemond didn't go Saronni would have went , it was obvious he was on the top of his game that day and had tremendous legs at the finish. The catch would have happened closer to the line but Boyer would still have faded off the podium.

Exactly, Saronni was the best that day, and if you hear LeMond talk about it, he will say that no matter what Saronni was going to win.

 

[Big Doopie]

well, today is a great day for lemond.

he may never have the palmares he deserved, but he is the only american to win the tour.

and in the annals of cycling he can arguably take a place at the very top. merckx and hinault have forever tarnished their legacy by their comments about doping since retiring. hey, bernie, you still so sure that all those french riders were just lazy when competing against armstrong? is that what it was? what an a-pole.

 

[L'arriviste]

No. Your source's translation is off. The 1990 in the article refers to the previous statement.

1990 is the date of Moser's quote.

Hey, help me out with a PM or leave a comment on the page next time you spot an error.

Duly corrected, thanks!

 

[Zultronova]

USA 's Greg Lemond. Officially the first and only American to win the Tour De France legitimately, with his arm around Lance Armstrong, the now disgraced, cheat, fraud and professional con man. Long live the King Lemond.

 

[86TDFWinner]

USA 's Greg Lemond. Officially the first and only American to win the Tour De France legitimately, with his arm around Lance Armstrong, the now disgraced, cheat, fraud and professional con man. Long live the King Lemond.

Was this pre Lemond declaring Wonderboy was a doper?

I'd take a shower if i were Greg, and wash all that EPO from my body.

 

[hiero2]

Lemond tried to welcome LA into the sport - but LA thought he knew better how to do things than Greg.

But Velonation has this now: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13128/Video-Triple-Tour-de-France-winner-Greg-LeMond-speaks-in-exclusive-interview.aspx

 

[Zaragon]

So can any individual explain how exactly Greg Lemond (supposedly Mr. Clean) won the Tour De France on three occasions while competing against the best professional cyclists in the world, which, many of whom were using steroids, amphetamines, synthetic testosterone, and now for the first time the emergence of evidence that blood doping was used to enhance performance, with the admission from PDM.

It's not a pop at Lemond. But this question has to be asked and answered even though there are no evidence that Greg Lemond ever engaged in the practice of using performance enhancing drugs.

 

[del1962]

So can any individual explain how exactly Greg Lemond (supposedly Mr. Clean) won the Tour De France on three occasions while competing against the best professional cyclists in the world, which, many of whom were using steroids, amphetamines, synthetic testosterone, and now for the first time the emergence of evidence that blood doping was used to enhance performance, with the admission from PDM.

It's not a pop at Lemond. But this question has to be asked and answered even though there are no evidence that Greg Lemond ever engaged in the practice of using performance enhancing drugs.

EPO was the game changer not amphetamines etc

 

[ultimobici]

So can any individual explain how exactly Greg Lemond (supposedly Mr. Clean) won the Tour De France on three occasions while competing against the best professional cyclists in the world, which, many of whom were using steroids, amphetamines, synthetic testosterone, and now for the first time the emergence of evidence that blood doping was used to enhance performance, with the admission from PDM.

It's not a pop at Lemond. But this question has to be asked and answered even though there are no evidence that Greg Lemond ever engaged in the practice of using performance enhancing drugs.

Judging by PDM's singularly dismal record in the Grand Tours one has to ask what benefit they derived from it.

Other than that, speed and cortisone & testosterone had less of a game-changing effect than EPO so a rider of his calibre was able to win.

Not hard is it?

 

[D-Queued]

Judging by PDM's singularly dismal record in the Grand Tours one has to ask what benefit they derived from it.

Other than that, speed and cortisone & testosterone had less of a game-changing effect than EPO so a rider of his calibre was able to win.

Not hard is it?

It is only hard if you are seeking a different answer.

Dave.

 

[DirtyWorks]

So can any individual explain how exactly Greg Lemond (supposedly Mr. Clean) won the Tour De France on three occasions while competing against the best professional cyclists in the world, which, many of whom were using steroids, amphetamines, synthetic testosterone, and now for the first time the emergence of evidence that blood doping was used to enhance performance, with the admission from PDM.

It's not a pop at Lemond. But this question has to be asked and answered even though there are no evidence that Greg Lemond ever engaged in the practice of using performance enhancing drugs.

Like USPS, if Lemond was doping, someone at some point would have dropped that bomb.

You need to look into Lemond's history in bike racing. The guy crushed international fields as an amateur. Became a pro and started winning, or near to it almost immediately. The Grand Tour wins were only a matter of time.

This has been stated and challenged 100 times in this forum by people trying to taint the last legitimate American champion. Use google to search the forum for the topic.

 

[D-Queued]

Like USPS, if Lemond was doping, someone at some point would have dropped that bomb.

You need to look into Lemond's history in bike racing. The guy crushed international fields as an amateur. Became a pro and started winning, or near to it almost immediately. The Grand Tour wins were only a matter of time.

This has been stated and challenged >10,000 times in this forum by people trying to taint the last legitimate American champion. Use google to search the forum for the topic.

Just to be more precise.

Dave.

 

[ANCrider]

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You need to look into Lemond's history in bike racing. The guy crushed international fields as an amateur. Became a pro and started winning, or near to it almost immediately. The Grand Tour wins were only a matter of time.

That bit is neither here nor there, frankly.

Like USPS, if Lemond was doping, someone at some point would have dropped that bomb.

This bit is right on the money. I've never met a single person who has a bad word to say about Lemond, let alone insinuations of foul-play.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

It seems every six months a nutcracker comes along asking questions about LeMond doping, must be a coincidence.

 

[Benotti69]

It seems every six months a nutcracker comes along asking questions about LeMond doping, must be a coincidence.

Not a coincidence. Wait till Wiggins/Froome/Porte gets popped the Sky fans will start on LeMond as well.