LeMond II

[Digger]

Didn't seem to matter to the Feds what Shane Stokes said.

Are you saying so that under ca law Greg did nothing wrong? That's a very easy question to answer.

 

[Digger]

Shane stokes is a hater now so! Awesome.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Hog stop this moderate talk. We are meant to be haters! The irony of us, me, being labelled a hater by those same people is funny...anyway as much as I have mentioned the sm call, I've mentioned, as you have, the Greg to Floyd call...that's been largely ignored...I wonder why...


Anyway haters gonna hate!

The angry reactions of a little group..ironic indeed.

Throwing around judgements from your little pulpit..self-righteous and indignant over the select targets of the month.

I doubt many here are true insiders that really have much clue as to fact,,, except everyone is entitled to their own opinions...
just don't tell me that I can't think what I want and you all can go right on with your own agenda.

 

[MarkvW]

The tapes have been used as evidence in a trial/hearing? They have not.

They were mealy handed over. They’ve not been used as evidence in any form.

Please do try and keep up with the details.

Good article though. This was interesting;



I guess breaking the law then handing the tapes around for it to be released is all just good fun, yes?

It is by no means clear that LeMond broke the law if he made his recording in a one-party consent state.

 

[thehog]

It is by no means clear that LeMond broke the law if he made his recording in a one-party consent state.

Hence the word "potentially".

Ethically? I think we all know the answer to that one.

LeMond's actions per Landis's, destroyed Floyd's basic right to a fair hearing. I'm not sure Greg was thinking about the bigger picture or at the very least thinking clearly in that instance.

 

[Race Radio]

We have to hate Shane and Floyd now?

I don't care if Floyd taped people without their consent, I still like the guy. Shane to..... good dude.

 

[Bluenote]

Shane stokes is a hater now so! Awesome.

Nice strawman to give yourself to argue against.

"ScottSoCal called Shane Stokes a hater!!!"

So now having a different opinion from someone equals being a hater?

That would explain a lot, if you think that everyone who thinks differently from you is hatin' on you.

Not a lot of room form dissent or multiplicity in that view of the world.

 

[frenchfry]

The way I see it is. If I was recorded without my permission then I would be angry - then to have it leaked out over the internet would not make matters better. Now in my opinion that would be grounds for me to sue someone but I'm no lawyer.

Someone just claimed it is a "fact" that Greg did not break a law. I don't agree with that statement.



Upthread somewhere there was a link to the interview Greg gave to the paper or media in Minneapolis. He mentions that people who worked for him that had first had knowledge of doping going on in the US team.

He should have had them come forward I guess but really is it all on him to be the only person to call out dopers. I'm not really comfortable to pin that all on him.

Did Betsy tape Stephie when she called to say she wanted to bash her head open with a baseball bat (or something to that effect) or was that just hearsay?

I would advise Stephie to stop using the telephone.

 

[Digger]

We have to hate Shane and Floyd now?

I don't care if Floyd taped people without their consent, I still like the guy. Shane to..... good dude.

According your logic stokes is a hater...he said that the tape wasn't admissible...so anything negative about Greg is termed a hater by you...you are no using the defense used by the lance fans...that's the irony...

Regarding Floyd it's not my fault Greg lied to sm and that Floyd's call with Greg was later shown to have not happened the way Greg said...but anyway.

 

[Digger]

Nice strawman to give yourself to argue against.

"ScottSoCal called Shane Stokes a hater!!!"

So now having a different opinion from someone equals being a hater?

That would explain a lot, if you think that everyone who thinks differently from you is hatin' on you.

Not a lot of room form dissent or multiplicity in that view of the world.

That's race radios logic not mine...please keep up

 

[Scott SoCal]

It is hard to keep up with who we should hate.

Floyd taped some folks without their consent, do we have to hate him too now?

The outrage Machine might demand we hate Floyd but I still like the guy.

I think there's a new PR firm out there;

 

[Digger]

Did Betsy tape Stephie when she called to say she wanted to bash her head open with a baseball bat (or something to that effect) or was that just hearsay?

I would advise Stephie to stop using the telephone.

Thd Betsy one was a message(s) sm left on Betsy's phone answering machine.

 

[thehog]

Thd Betsy one was a message(s) sm left on Betsy's phone answering machine.

Which was released to the Daily News and the Internet. The women was clearly distressed and caught by her plight.

 

[Scott SoCal]

I never equated them as the same. That's a lie...you did ignore that it was Shane stokes and not just Fabiani who said it wasn't admissible.

Dang. Did I mis-read? What did you mean by the highlighted?

Originally Posted by Digger
earlier post was bothered to read not rest....

greg being friendly with Stephanie might have had something to do with this - which made his actions even worse...we all know why he did it - some think it was ok to lie and entrap - the state where the SCA trial took place doesn't think it was ok.

As regards Floyd - it's nice to know you think it's ok for greg to testify about something which later shown to be not true - something all you guys spoke about very negatively, on here yesterday, when Stephanie did it....

 

[MarkvW]

Hence the word "potentially".

Ethically? I think we all know the answer to that one.

LeMond's actions per Landis's, destroyed Floyd's basic right to a fair hearing. I'm not sure Greg was thinking about the bigger picture or at the very least thinking clearly in that instance.

I agree that LeMond acted sleazily. He treated Ms. McIlvain very badly.

But neither Fraud Landis nor his ultra-fanboi are in any position to complain.

 

[Scott SoCal]

Are you saying so that under ca law Greg did nothing wrong? That's a very easy question to answer.

Was Greg in Cali? What's Cali's jurisdiction for this in Minnesota?

Better yet, why do you suppose the feds were so interested in the tape and Stephanie?

7 hours on the hot seat is quite a long time. Surely we can all agree on that.

 

[Digger]

Dang. Did I mis-read? What did you mean by the highlighted?

One incident was a lie...to Stephanie...the other separate one which is what you have mixed up is the Floyd phone call. The first was a lie but not the same as perjury...the second, the Floyd call, was worse. Something hog and myself have alluded to.

 

[thehog]

Was Greg in Cali? What's Cali's jurisdiction for this in Minnesota?

Better yet, why do you suppose the feds were so interested in the tape and Stephanie?
.

You need to separate what is legal/illegal from what is morally reprehensible or ethically devoid. Attempting a tenuous link to legality doesn’t make the action any less ugly.

The Feds are interested in tax returns each year, doesn't mean there's a problem.

 

[Granville57]

Last week McIlvain reportedly testified in a grand jury room on the 13th floor of the downtown L.A. federal courthouse for more than seven hours. That is a very long time.

Seven hours. Seems odd, right?

Not at all. It's my understanding that Betsy and a few others had previously set the record at five hours. Stephanie was determined to put her name in the books with seven hours...in a row.

 

[Digger]

Was Greg in Cali? What's Cali's jurisdiction for this in Minnesota?

Better yet, why do you suppose the feds were so interested in the tape and Stephanie?

7 hours on the hot seat is quite a long time. Surely we can all agree on that.

Now you are simply talking about three different things. Fact of the article I quoted to you is that it was illegal in sm's home state to do what he did. Which was why it wasn't admissible. Not one person here is denying sm perjured herself. My point three days ago was that Greg was a hypocrite and that he lies to sm. something you accepted. Now propkr then tried to minimise it and I pointed out that it's not a small thing In some states. It's ok in others.

 

[Scott SoCal]

One incident was a lie...to Stephanie...the other separate one which is what you have mixed up is the Floyd phone call. The first was a lie but not the same as perjury...the second, the Floyd call, was worse. Something hog and myself have alluded to.

Nice try. You called me a liar.

So, again, here's what you wrote;

it's nice to know you think it's ok for greg to testify about something which later shown to be not true

Greg testified to something later showed to be not true. OK.

- something all you guys spoke about very negatively, on here yesterday, when Stephanie did it....

And I think we can at least agree on Stephanie having perjured herself (allegedly).

Feel free to withdraw your accusation any time you are ready.

 

[Bluenote]

That's race radios logic not mine...please keep up

Gotta link for that? You saying "oh Race Radio" says that we have to hate people who disagree with us - does not make it true.

I dunno - up above RR admitted to having some hypocritical views. Not exactly the position of a guy who believes 'you're either with me or against me.'

I dunno. For a guy who accuses RR of being "stuck" you seem pretty stuck yourself - on RR. Weird.

 

[Digger]

Race radio you made a claim that Floyd landis taped others without their consent. Who did he tape? Because working with the Feds is not exactly comparable to what Greg for...so I would advise you to back that up or withdraw it.

 

[Scott SoCal]

You need to separate what is legal/illegal from what is morally reprehensible or ethically devoid. Attempting a tenuous link to legality doesn’t make the action any less ugly.

The Feds are interested in tax returns each year, doesn't mean there's a problem.

Huh. It seems like just yesterday you were calling it illegal.

The Feds are interested in tax returns each year, doesn't mean there's a problem

I'm guessing if you received a surprise visit from the IRS and were later hauled in for 7 hours of Q&A you might be able to conclude that there's a problem.

 

[Digger]

Gotta link for that? You saying "oh Race Radio" says that we have to hate people who disagree with us - does not make it true.

I dunno - up above RR admitted to having some hypocritical views. Not exactly the position of a guy who believes 'you're either with me or against me.'

I dunno. For a guy who accuses RR of being "stuck" you seem pretty stuck yourself - on RR. Weird.

Well since I started posting a lot again this last two weeks the inevitable first person to reply to me with obfuscation and continuously use the teen hate is race...I only want to post. But like the history with hog has shown, when race gets a fixation on someone he tends to keep replying first to them. Hog and myself try to get on with things...race then went and tried to find posts of mine from 4 yrs ago,