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This is one interesting post by a guy named Wolfix on some internet forum. Possibly a Lance-associate, but I honestly couldn't care less: s/he's presenting some salient details.
http://www.cyclingforums.com/topic/346048-interesting-lemond-letter-re-20-year-itt-record/page-2
EPO ws introduced in June with sales that month of $17 million. That part is true, but that is not the story.

Let's look at EPO and its history.

EPO was developed years before and not released, but being used in research on kidney patients. The only reason it was not available to the general public before 1989 was because of legal issues.

But here just a little room for thought.....

EPO was researched and used before 1989 in the University of California Research centers which the University of California Davis are part of. .

Erythropoietin, or EPO, is a synthetically produced hormone that promotes red blood cell production. The drug was targeted for people with kidney disease on dialysis, a process that lowers the kidneys' natural production of EPO. Other uses was soon thought of for EPO.
The drug could also be used to reduce the need for blood transfusions during surgery.
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While this EPO research was going on at the University of California Research Centers for kidney patients , guess who was a prima donna patient in it's critical care unit ?????
[with his kidneys being one of the main problems riddled with pellets}........

Greg Lemond.......

Greg was there in the critical care unit after being shot. He had a tremendous loss of blood and over the next week he had tubes still in his chest. He was in bad shape with his life hanging on by a brake cable. So here he was, in a hospitol that was researching a drug that would help him with the post surgury recovery. A drug used for kidney problems and post surgury recovery. But not released for public sale at the time.

Now, just because Greg was in the home and research labratories of EPO does not mean he was a user.

I'm just stating he was in the same hospitol system, at the same time EPO was being tested on kidney patients. What's important here is it wasn't being tested in Europe, it wasn't being tested anywhere else in the world except in the 3 University of California research centers that Amgen used.. It was in the hospitol where Greg was. . And Greg's kidney problem that arose from being shot is exactly what they were researching EPO for. .

[We know Greg only had one kidney since he was a child, but I'm not sure if this would have affected him in any way in his recovery or during the critical time he was losing blood. ]

Why would they have used EPO on Greg?

Well, one of the early uses of EPO was as follows.......

"EPO is used to accelerate the recovery of hemoglobin to a normal level for an individual who undergoes high-blood-loss surgery. such as critical care after being shot."

Let's jump ahead here to the 1989 Giro......The day before a hilly ITT. Greg was barely hanging on, as he was all season long. But the next day he was flying......

Greg tells us that his remarkable recovery was due to a iron shot during the Giro. Otto told him he was anemic.. Now, Otto was a guy who rubbed sweaty muscles for a living. He held no degree in medicine.But he knew a iron shot was the answer.

We know Greg struggled in 1989. Then bam!!!!!! He was world beater, a totally unstoppable force over the next 4 months. He won a TDF, did the fastest ITT in the history of the sport, and won the World's by sprinting against S Kelly. In one single night, less then 24 hours , he went from the back of the pack to the best rider cycling had.

How could this possible? Let's ask Greg.
"I took a iron supplement that night,"Greg said later. "The next day I felt the improvement. Before that,on the smallest hill, I was gone."

Would a simple iron shot do this? Let's ask the doctors at the research center......

[This following info comes from a document from research at the University of Cal Davis, where Lemond was hospitolized while EPO research and usage was going on.......]

"With use of recombinant erythropoietin (EPO) and intravenous iron, the majority of hemodialysis patients can achieve target hemoglobin concentrations."
These are the documented words of UC Davis research center, not mine.

Hemoglobin concentrations?

Basically, EPO coupled with an iron shot would give someone a tremendous boost if what they were attempting to do required large amounts of oxygen.

Using this info from the EPO researchers, if a cyclist was suffering and using EPO, wouldn't raising your hemoglobin level maybe bring you up to speed overnight? It's my understanding that hemoglobin transports the oxygen to the lungs. That may be important for a professional cyclist. We know he used intravenious iron.

Let's say for the fun of it Greg was intoduced to and was using EPO after his stay at UC Davis. It would not have been introduced to the peloton yet as it was only available in the research centers in California until June 1989. And it would have never been tested for by the UCI.

Now......

Let's go farther with this.

None of this is proof that Greg used EPO. But chances are good he was aware of it in some form or other before any other professsional cyclist. Or possibly a doctor who was involved with Greg during his stay at UC Davis knew of the research going on and the benefits of EPO.

Greg was standing in the center of EPO central. You couldn't get any closer then he was, long before anyone in Europe had an any idea of what it was. So we had a hospitol doing research on EPO with a world class athlete in it's ward. Would there have been a better patient? Then several years later EPO becomes famous for the infamous evil it became in cycling.

Did he use it? Who knows.......

Maybe some research is needed to see what other cyclists or people were/are attched to UC Davis during that time and later become involved in professional sports.
Again, there may be a Lance-Lemond-smear campaign behind it. But that shouldn't dismiss us from looking at the facts, which in this case seem to be interesting enough. Greg being treated in the hospital where EPO research was done.
And in the end the poster is merely suggesting something that seems to have been rumored among large parts of the peloton in the early 90s.
In any case, the claim that Greg only became aware of EPO in 1993 is hilarious at best.



....assuming the preceding is accurate....

.... you can bet that Amgen people were all over that facility baby-sitting their soon to be billion dollar baby....and as we all know Weisel was not only a big part of the Amgen effort but also very heavily involved in cycling....so the chances that Weisel wouldn't have visited that facility would approach zero, and the idea that Weisel wouldn't know that Lemond was being treated there are also pretty close to zero....so the possibility that Lemond and Weisel didn't cross paths in some way in that facility are, uhhh, pretty damn remote....

....so hypothetically if there was a face-to-face what would that meeting go like ...." Hey Greg how's it goin' ?"...."Hey Thom, well pretty good considering but this accident really has my anemia acting up...so what brings you here?" ..."funny you should ask "....again please note that the preceding is just a hypothetical but gosh this is getting real weird ain't it?....

Cheers

...Not to mention Armstrong would have had no problem getting to the source and then "out" Greg for it.
 
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[quote=""Jeff"":22rr80y3]Just one thing need to be said over and over again. LeMond was one heck of talent. Multiple World Champion (junior/professional).

Its kinda ironic that he was at the center of these EPO ''developments'' but its not like he came out of nowhere. Some people just blow up things too much.

I mean stuff like this

"We know Greg struggled in 1989. Then bam!!!!!! He was world beater, a totally unstoppable force over the next 4 months."

World beater ? He looked pretty human at the climbs at the TDF '89.

IMO there is nothing strange about him beating Kelly in Chambery (I was there btw :)). He always had a strong finish and Kelly has been known to be beatable in big sprints). There's nothing strange about his final TT in Paris, he has always been one of the best TT specialists. One might think its strange he went from #39 in the Tour of Italy of 1989 to #1 in the Tour de France 1989. He already showed big improvement in the final week in the Giro of '89 and the Tour was weeks later.

I dont trust anyone but its still Greg LeMond.[/quote]

Yeah, no matter what, Greg was never as good after 1987 (i/e being shot) than he was before. Just to compare, he did 40" more on the Lac de Vassivière ITT fighting for the TDF win in 1990 than he did in 85. And he had the aero bars in 1990 !

He also had beaten Kelly previously, maybe not often but the 1982 worlds come to mind.

Jeff, if you have pics from Chambéry, I'm interested ;-)
Thanks.
 
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coinneach said:
Interesting rest day speculation....

One other possibility is that he didn't know exactly what was in his magic iron shot, and never thought it might be EPO.
Otherwise, why draw attention to the shot?

Exactly what I was thinking : why on earth the need to tell anyone he had iron shots if it was something else ? Why not keep quiet about it ?

"Hey, guys, I just had EP... er... Iron just popped up my *** ! I'm cool now, thank you very much !"

I mean, at the time, nobody's asking, right ?
 
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sniper said:
here's a good concise website about (chronic) kidney failure, anemia and EPO.
http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-topics/kidney-disease/anemia-in-kidney-disease-and-dialysis/Pages/facts.aspx
One thing that immediately stands out is the strong correlation between (chronic) kidney failure and anemia.
Bottom line: If you suffer from the former, the chances are high you will also suffer from the latter.
Now Lemond's official version is he had chronic kidney infections since the day he was born, and has been riding around with just one functional kidney ever since he was a kid.
So if you go from there... to give any sort of credibility to the story that in 1989, after at least two decades of being a kidney patient, Greg didn't know he had anemia and needed his soigneur to tell him... well, that's one way of completely discrediting all the doctors Greg has ever worked with since a child, including his parents for failing to inform him on some of the very basics of being a kidney patient.
It's ridiculous.

No offense, but I'm not sure your arguments about the biology of this add up. Having a single functional kidney does not equate to Chronic kidney disease. CKD as stated in the NIH website is 'the permanent, partial loss of kidney function'. In this case it would be below 20%. That figure alone suggests why it is doable to cycle professionally with only one kidney. Anemia is more associated with later stage kidney failure and I think we can safely rule that out. IMO, the anemia suffered by LeMond is likely to have another cause and is not some undiagnosed condition relating to his kidney issues as you seem to be alluding to. Of course, maybe he never had anemia. YMMV.

Part of the problem is gleaning medical information filtered through people like professional cyclists who probably only have a rudimentary understanding of it themselves. I would take that kind of information with a large grain of salt.
 
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I asked this before but since all the xperts have not answered I wanted to ask again.

Does anyone know what happened to both of Greg's Arms when he was shot in the side and backside? Those pictures at the hospital and after he has a cast on each arm.
 
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djpbaltimore said:
sniper said:
here's a good concise website about (chronic) kidney failure, anemia and EPO.
http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-topics/kidney-disease/anemia-in-kidney-disease-and-dialysis/Pages/facts.aspx
One thing that immediately stands out is the strong correlation between (chronic) kidney failure and anemia.
Bottom line: If you suffer from the former, the chances are high you will also suffer from the latter.
Now Lemond's official version is he had chronic kidney infections since the day he was born, and has been riding around with just one functional kidney ever since he was a kid.
So if you go from there... to give any sort of credibility to the story that in 1989, after at least two decades of being a kidney patient, Greg didn't know he had anemia and needed his soigneur to tell him... well, that's one way of completely discrediting all the doctors Greg has ever worked with since a child, including his parents for failing to inform him on some of the very basics of being a kidney patient.
It's ridiculous.

No offense, but I'm not sure your arguments about the biology of this add up. Having a single functional kidney does not equate to Chronic kidney disease. CKD as stated in the NIH website is 'the permanent, partial loss of kidney function'. In this case it would be below 20%. That figure alone suggests why it is doable to cycle professionally with only one kidney. Anemia is more associated with later stage kidney failure and I think we can safely rule that out. IMO, the anemia suffered by LeMond is likely to have another cause and is not some undiagnosed condition relating to his kidney issues as you seem to be alluding to. Of course, maybe he never had anemia. YMMV.

Part of the problem is gleaning medical information filtered through people like professional cyclists who probably only have a rudimentary understanding of it themselves. I would take that kind of information with a large grain of salt.
appreciate the input. No offense taken.

In the Kimage interview, Lemond spoke of "chronic kidney infections since the day I was born". It's a vague choice of words. He doesn't (to my knowledge) mention the one kidney failure, which however is mentioned in many other books/articles about Lemond.
With the amount of medical care he has enjoyed and the kidney problems he's had, you'd expect him to know what he's talking about in that Kimmage interview, unless he's been making things up.

anyway, definitely no offense taken. I'm a layman in this area, so all input is welcome. Indeed I was unsure what CKD means, and your 20% figure helps.
 
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@NL_LeMondFans said:
...Not to mention Armstrong would have had no problem getting to the source and then "out" Greg for it.
we've gone through this.
with the billions of Amgen dollars and Weisel's fortune at stake, do you think Lance's personal little feud with Lemond is at all relevant?
Yes, Lance probably could, but has plenty of rea$ons not to, expose Lemond.
 
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Glenn_Wilson said:
I asked this before but since all the xperts have not answered I wanted to ask again.

Does anyone know what happened to both of Greg's Arms when he was shot in the side and backside? Those pictures at the hospital and after he has a cast on each arm.

Not sure. He was in the US at the time because he was recovering from a broken wrist after a crash. Maybe that's one. I think he received pellets in at least one of his arms too, but I don't think it requires a cast ? Unless the pellet broke a bone but it seems far fetched. Bullets do that, but pellets ?
 
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sniper said:
@NL_LeMondFans said:
...Not to mention Armstrong would have had no problem getting to the source and then "out" Greg for it.
we've gone through this.
with the billions of Amgen dollars and Weisel's fortune at stake, do you think Lance's personal little feud with Lemond is at all relevant?
Yes, Lance probably could, but has plenty of rea$ons not to, expose Lemond.

I say "would", not "could", big difference. Lance "could" have if he had found something in the first place. To my knowledge, he tried but didn't succeed.

Let's not add speculation upon speculation.
 
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@NL_LeMondFans said:
Glenn_Wilson said:
I asked this before but since all the xperts have not answered I wanted to ask again.

Does anyone know what happened to both of Greg's Arms when he was shot in the side and backside? Those pictures at the hospital and after he has a cast on each arm.

Not sure. He was in the US at the time because he was recovering from a broken wrist after a crash. Maybe that's one. I think he received pellets in at least one of his arms too, but I don't think it requires a cast ? Unless the pellet broke a bone but it seems far fetched. Bullets do that, but pellets ?

Here's an interview of him talking about the shooting. He talks about the cast briefly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgRpP_Sitk0
 
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sniper said:
appreciate the input. No offense taken.

In the Kimage interview, Lemond spoke of "chronic kidney infections since the day I was born". It's a vague choice of words. He doesn't (to my knowledge) mention the one kidney failure, which however is mentioned in many other books/articles about Lemond.
With the amount of medical care he has enjoyed and the kidney problems he's had, you'd expect him to know what he's talking about in that Kimmage interview, unless he's been making things up.

anyway, definitely no offense taken. I'm a layman in this area, so all input is welcome. Indeed I was unsure what CKD means, and your 20% figure helps.

Every patient is different. Some want to know a lot about their condition, others will just blindly follow doctor's instructions and not care about the science. I would say the latter was more common prior to the WebMD era. I don't know where LeMond fits in this spectrum, but I wouldn't be totally surprised if he may have exaggerated his medical conditions knowingly or unknowingly. Your research on this topic has been interesting. I always doubted Hampsten's claims of cleanliness. I don't have much of an opinion on LeMond, other than that he was a supremely talented rider. But we know that some of those guys also dope.
 
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djpbaltimore said:
sniper said:
appreciate the input. No offense taken.

In the Kimage interview, Lemond spoke of "chronic kidney infections since the day I was born". It's a vague choice of words. He doesn't (to my knowledge) mention the one kidney failure, which however is mentioned in many other books/articles about Lemond.
With the amount of medical care he has enjoyed and the kidney problems he's had, you'd expect him to know what he's talking about in that Kimmage interview, unless he's been making things up.

anyway, definitely no offense taken. I'm a layman in this area, so all input is welcome. Indeed I was unsure what CKD means, and your 20% figure helps.

Every patient is different. Some want to know a lot about their condition, others will just blindly follow doctor's instructions and not care about the science. I would say the latter was more common prior to the WebMD era. I don't know where LeMond fits in this spectrum, but I wouldn't be totally surprised if he may have exaggerated his medical conditions knowingly or unknowingly. Your research on this topic has been interesting. I always doubted Hampsten's claims of cleanliness. I don't have much of an opinion on LeMond, other than that he was a supremely talented rider. But we know that some of those guys also dope.
indeed,
but seeing how Lemond, starting in the late 70s, was scouted and 'developed' by Ed Burke and Eddie B., the two guys who architectured the first generations of blooddopers in the US and are shown to have been blood doping juniors, I'm not sure what to make of Lemond's 3rd place in his first Tdf.

When the 84 blood doping scandal broke, five US medal winning cyclists were exposed as blooddopers.
Four of them (all except Leonard Nitz) were present at Lemond's 2003 fundraiser...
Go figure.
 
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WildspokeJoe said:
@NL_LeMondFans said:
Glenn_Wilson said:
I asked this before but since all the xperts have not answered I wanted to ask again.

Does anyone know what happened to both of Greg's Arms when he was shot in the side and backside? Those pictures at the hospital and after he has a cast on each arm.

Not sure. He was in the US at the time because he was recovering from a broken wrist after a crash. Maybe that's one. I think he received pellets in at least one of his arms too, but I don't think it requires a cast ? Unless the pellet broke a bone but it seems far fetched. Bullets do that, but pellets ?

Here's an interview of him talking about the shooting. He talks about the cast briefly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgRpP_Sitk0
Thanks NL_LeMondfans and WildspokeJoe for the info.

Interesting that he had casts on each arm. I was just curious.

That interview is a little strange considering the person who interviewed him. The appendectomy story was awesome.
 
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@NL_LeMondFans said:
I say "would", not "could", big difference. Lance "could" have if he had found something in the first place. To my knowledge, he tried but didn't succeed.

Let's not add speculation upon speculation.
honest question: do you have any indication for that other than 'the' phone call losely transcribed by Kathy?
 
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Glenn_Wilson said:
WildspokeJoe said:
@NL_LeMondFans said:
Glenn_Wilson said:
I asked this before but since all the xperts have not answered I wanted to ask again.

Does anyone know what happened to both of Greg's Arms when he was shot in the side and backside? Those pictures at the hospital and after he has a cast on each arm.

Not sure. He was in the US at the time because he was recovering from a broken wrist after a crash. Maybe that's one. I think he received pellets in at least one of his arms too, but I don't think it requires a cast ? Unless the pellet broke a bone but it seems far fetched. Bullets do that, but pellets ?

Here's an interview of him talking about the shooting. He talks about the cast briefly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgRpP_Sitk0
Thanks NL_LeMondfans and WildspokeJoe for the info.

Interesting that he had casts on each arm. I was just curious.

That interview is a little strange considering the person who interviewed him. The appendectomy story was awesome.

**Geek Alert*** I just pulled up the coverage from 1987 Tour Coverage (CBS) and it shows LeMond leaving the hospital. I think his left arm is broken but it looks like the right arm is bandaged possibly to protect the IV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2D_cKdOTIc

Oh that music.
 
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Big Greg now says that Ullrich should give back his yellow jersey as the guilt and hypocrisy might be a strain to live with throughout his life. Specifically, Greg says it's hard to live life holding a lie. Taking Greg at his word, I wonder how he'd know that. And if he doesn't know, how could he claim it--which has always been my issue with LeMond.

Also mentions that at 21 Ullrich had no idea of what he was getting into. So what's the responsible age to take on doping?
 
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sniper said:
@NL_LeMondFans said:
I say "would", not "could", big difference. Lance "could" have if he had found something in the first place. To my knowledge, he tried but didn't succeed.

Let's not add speculation upon speculation.
honest question: do you have any indication for that other than 'the' phone call losely transcribed by Kathy?

No, I believe it was said in more than one book about Armstrong, and also mentioned here on this thread, that LA offered a 350 000$ reward for anyone proving Greg was not clean and sent men scouting people for it.
 
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aphronesis said:
Big Greg now says that Ullrich should give back his yellow jersey as the guilt and hypocrisy might be a strain to live with throughout his life. Specifically, Greg says it's hard to live life holding a lie. Taking Greg at his word, I wonder how he'd know that. And if he doesn't know, how could he claim it--which has always been my issue with LeMond.

Also mentions that at 21 Ullrich had no idea of what he was getting into. So what's the responsible age to take on doping?

Greg is very vocal about how hard it is to keep a secret because he kept his secret of being abused as a child for a very long time. He said it was eating him inside. The guilt that goes with it.

He actually shared this with Landis to talk some sense into him but, as we now know, it was used by a friend of Floyd's to actually put pressure on Greg before a testimony. Heavy stuff.
 
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aphronesis said:
Big Greg now says that Ullrich should give back his yellow jersey as the guilt and hypocrisy might be a strain to live with throughout his life. Specifically, Greg says it's hard to live life holding a lie. Taking Greg at his word, I wonder how he'd know that. And if he doesn't know, how could he claim it--which has always been my issue with LeMond.

Also mentions that at 21 Ullrich had no idea of what he was getting into. So what's the responsible age to take on doping?

Is he not referring to the child abuse secret as mentioned to Landis with regard to living life with a lie?
 
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sniper said:
djpbaltimore said:
sniper said:
appreciate the input. No offense taken.

In the Kimage interview, Lemond spoke of "chronic kidney infections since the day I was born". It's a vague choice of words. He doesn't (to my knowledge) mention the one kidney failure, which however is mentioned in many other books/articles about Lemond.
With the amount of medical care he has enjoyed and the kidney problems he's had, you'd expect him to know what he's talking about in that Kimmage interview, unless he's been making things up.

anyway, definitely no offense taken. I'm a layman in this area, so all input is welcome. Indeed I was unsure what CKD means, and your 20% figure helps.

Every patient is different. Some want to know a lot about their condition, others will just blindly follow doctor's instructions and not care about the science. I would say the latter was more common prior to the WebMD era. I don't know where LeMond fits in this spectrum, but I wouldn't be totally surprised if he may have exaggerated his medical conditions knowingly or unknowingly. Your research on this topic has been interesting. I always doubted Hampsten's claims of cleanliness. I don't have much of an opinion on LeMond, other than that he was a supremely talented rider. But we know that some of those guys also dope.
indeed,
but seeing how Lemond, starting in the late 70s, was scouted and 'developed' by Ed Burke and Eddie B., the two guys who architectured the first generations of blooddopers in the US and are shown to have been blood doping juniors, I'm not sure what to make of Lemond's 3rd place in his first Tdf.

When the 84 blood doping scandal broke, five US medal winning cyclists were exposed as blooddopers.
Four of them (all except Leonard Nitz) were present at Lemond's 2003 fundraiser...
Go figure.

Or maybe Ed Burke and Eddie B. started looking into doping because no rider matched Greg's performances, for that matter !

Your TDF 84 insinuation is pushing things a bit far, IMO. For the record, Greg placed 3rd of the Dauphiné in 1981 as a neo pro, won it in 83, won the 82 Tour de l'Avenir by a 10 minutes margin, was the reigning world champion in the 84 TDF. Hardly someone discovering a magical product. In fact, Greg didn't do too well that year, by his own standards. Hinault won his first Tour age 23, same with Fignon, etc... That was not unusual, at the time.
 
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@NL_LeMondFans said:
sniper said:
@NL_LeMondFans said:
I say "would", not "could", big difference. Lance "could" have if he had found something in the first place. To my knowledge, he tried but didn't succeed.

Let's not add speculation upon speculation.
honest question: do you have any indication for that other than 'the' phone call losely transcribed by Kathy?

No, I believe it was said in more than one book about Armstrong, and also mentioned here on this thread, that LA offered a 350 000$ reward for anyone proving Greg was not clean and sent men scouting people for it.
Cheers. If true, yes, you'd have a strong point.
I wonder what/who the source of this rumor is. (I'll call it a rumor for now.) If anybody knows, i'd be obliged. Otherwise i'll look for it myself tomorrow.
 
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@NL_LeMondFans said:
aphronesis said:
Big Greg now says that Ullrich should give back his yellow jersey as the guilt and hypocrisy might be a strain to live with throughout his life. Specifically, Greg says it's hard to live life holding a lie. Taking Greg at his word, I wonder how he'd know that. And if he doesn't know, how could he claim it--which has always been my issue with LeMond.

Also mentions that at 21 Ullrich had no idea of what he was getting into. So what's the responsible age to take on doping?

Greg is very vocal about how hard it is to keep a secret because he kept his secret of being abused as a child for a very long time. He said it was eating him inside. The guilt that goes with it.

He actually shared this with Landis to talk some sense into him but, as we now know, it was used by a friend of Floyd's to actually put pressure on Greg before a testimony. Heavy stuff.

As tragic as that might be--potentially more so by the day as the intensive care emotion society ramps up to distract from more pressing issues--and as much as it might have contributed to Greg's distasteful and selective earnestness, it's not really the same sort of lie or secret. Pathology fetishists might like it to be so, but the reality is different.
 
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@NL_LeMondFans said:
Or maybe Ed Burke and Eddie B. started looking into doping because no rider matched Greg's performances, for that matter !
Couple of things:
1. Borysewicz was Polish. He was contracted by Mike Fraysse for one reason only: to implement the methods being used in East Germany and Russia at the time, i.e. ruthless blood doping and other forms of doping, starting at junior level.

2. He doped juniors, brought junior US teams to Poland to introduce them to blood doping. He doped u23 cyclists with the blood of relatives. It's all documented, articles in the NY Times in the 80s, everywhere. So Lemond knew. And after the 1984 scandal, Eddie continued to dope riders and teams, including Chris Carmichael's first pro-team, and he credits himself for having 'discovered' Lance.
All that doesn't mean he doped Greg. But tell me one thing: why the *** does Greg throw a fundraiser for that criminal doper/enabler in 2003? That just doesn't square at all with the idea that Lemond refused the methods doubtlessly offered to him by Eddie B. and Burke.
 
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