LeMond II

[ChewbaccaD]

LeMond IIb

In light of Leinders, let's not forget Greg's comments on Evans - a guy who was doping as a MTB rider - a guy who worked with Ferrari - but Greg goes to his Aussie audience, plays to the crowd and tells them that Evans was a victim.

In light of Leinders, let's not forget your comments regarding Tygart, and how his ego, and single-minded obsession with Armstrong are doing nothing to help clean-up cycling...

 

[Digger]

In light of Leinders, let's not forget your comments regarding Tygart, and how his ego, and single-minded obsession with Armstrong are doing nothing to help clean-up cycling...

Chris Horner, Ryder Hesjedal, Jens Voigt, Justin Gatlin, Christian, Tommy D, Jonathan Vaughters, travis and Dr Exum, Travis' comments to landis in 2006/07.....

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I mean, Fu*k the hypocrisy, am I right?...

 

[sniper]

In light of Leinders, let's not forget your comments regarding Tygart, and how his ego, and single-minded obsession with Armstrong are doing nothing to help clean-up cycling...

I think for many including me Tygart is definitely at the forefront of antidoping, at least when compared to all the halfwits that populate uCI, WADA, Iaaf and ioc headquarters, and i agree this latest chapter seems to suggest it wasn't just about Armstrong.
But Leinders' ban doesnt make the six month off season bans for garmin riders look any better.
Also, I remember Tygart vouching for the veracity of hesjedal testimony.
how does that work?

 

[thehog]

I think for many including me Tygart is definitely at the forefront of antidoping especially compared to all the halfwits that populate uCI, WADA, Iaaf and ioc headquarters, and i agree this latest chapter seems to suggest it wasn't just about Armstrong.
But Leinders' ban doesnt make the six month off season bans for garmin riders look any better.

I tend to agree.

The Leinders lifetime ban considering he was in cahoots with the UCI makes the Garmin 6 month doping ban ridiculous.

 

[MarkvW]

I think for many including me Tygart is definitely at the forefront of antidoping, at least when compared to all the halfwits that populate uCI, WADA, Iaaf and ioc headquarters, and i agree this latest chapter seems to suggest it wasn't just about Armstrong.
But Leinders' ban doesnt make the six month off season bans for garmin riders look any better.
Also, I remember Tygart vouching for the veracity of hesjedal testimony.
how does that work?

I don't have a problem with much longer bans for team staff. The doping rider affects himself and his race, but the doping staff member can affect multiple riders and multiple races.

 

[Digger]

I tend to agree.

The Leinders lifetime ban considering he was in cahoots with the UCI makes the Garmin 6 month doping ban ridiculous.

Names like Jens, Horner, Christian, Tommy D, Ryder and then JV talking to Travis in 2004 but getting no punishment....travis asking landis for info on lance....Justin Gatlin.....Travis and Dr Exum.

Yes Travis has shown himself to be lance focused. And has applied the rules accordingly. All bets are off once you give me lance related info.

 

[thehog]

Names like Jens Horner, Christian, Tommy D, Ryder and then JV talking to Travis in 2004 but getting no punishment....travis asking landis for info on lance....Justin Gatlin.....Travis and Dr Exum.

Yes Travis has shown himself to be lance focused. And has applied the rules accordingly. All bets are off once you give me lance related info.

JV it appears has the ear of certain anti-doping people to decide on who gets banned and who doesn't. Ryder is another example.

Its conflict of interest.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Look, you guys don't owe me an apology for being hypocrites, but I accept it anyway.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I think for many including me Tygart is definitely at the forefront of antidoping, at least when compared to all the halfwits that populate uCI, WADA, Iaaf and ioc headquarters, and i agree this latest chapter seems to suggest it wasn't just about Armstrong.
But Leinders' ban doesnt make the six month off season bans for garmin riders look any better.
Also, I remember Tygart vouching for the veracity of hesjedal testimony.
how does that work?

No, no, see that's where you're wrong. Travis is only in it for Travis. It's impossible that he is at the forefront of anti-doping. He's at the forefront of the Travis and Lance show only. He deserves no credit at all.

...as for the 6 month bans, as I've said before, I won't defend them, but I do understand that sometimes, you have to dance with the Devil's demons to get to the Devil himself. (I chose the imagery because Travis is really in this because he's really just a Christian zealot ...)

P.S. This post wasn't really directed at you. It was more directed at a couple of people with egg on their faces today because they're howling in approval because someone with Sky connections was busted, even if it was buy someone they have vilified continuously.

 

[thehog]

I don't have a problem with much longer bans for team staff. The doping rider affects himself and his race, but the doping staff member can affect multiple riders and multiple races.

True. I note LeMond is back in the press today telling the world about Armstrong.

He certainly has his finger on the pulse. And on the record button..

“If there’s anyone who deserves a ban, it’s this guy,” LeMond said. “What’s the point? So he can race an amateur race? It’s not like he tested positive once, and came back clean. This is repeated cover-ups and bribes. There was nothing like it in the history of cycling.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015...s-lifetime-ban-guy_358937#B1Zr7hihXZVSJYXs.99

 

[ChewbaccaD]

True. I note LeMond is back in the press today telling the world about Armstrong.

He certainly has his finger on the pulse. And on the record button..

Oh yea, Stephanie Mcilvain, the Rosa Parks of cycling, really didn't deserve to be exposed as a lying, manipulative, whiner...totes bad on the part of Lemond...

 

[Digger]

True. I note LeMond is back in the press today telling the world about Armstrong.

He certainly has his finger on the pulse. And on the record button..

Yes - Greg telling an Aussie audience that Cadel was a victim of other's doping eventhough Cadel himself worked with Ferrari - and the time frame for Greg saying the sport had improved, thus meaning that Cadel had gotten better results, was the time for still rampant doping throughout the peloton - something we now know for certainty.

 

[thehog]

Yes - Greg telling an Aussie audience that Cadel was a victim of other's doping eventhough Cadel himself worked with Ferrari - and the time frame for Greg saying the sport had improved, thus meaning that Cadel had gotten better results, was the time for still rampant doping throughout the peloton - something we now know for certainty.

He does have a brain fade on doping when it’s not Lance. Or he just blindly doesn’t even consider it. Or maybe he just says what the audience wants to hear, he is in Australia after all. Funny guy.

No doubt he'll be recording a few calls whilst down there in Oz

 

[Digger]

He does have a brain fade on doping when it’s not Lance. Or he just blindly doesn’t even consider it. Or maybe he just says what the audience wants to hear, he is in Australia after all. Funny guy.

This - he did similar for Froome last year


And Pantani in his documentary.

 

[thehog]

This - he did similar for Froome last year


And Pantani in his documentary.

Yes, when commercial interests are involved people tend to become compromised.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1625828&postcount=108

 

[Digger]

Yes, when commercial interests are involved people tend to become compromised.

but I thought he was fervently anti doping?!

 

[thehog]

but I thought he was fervently anti doping?!

Apparently so... except when there's a commercial gig involved.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Still trying to wipe the egg off of each other's faces I see...wipe harder dudes, wipe harder.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

BTW, if Lemond said that about Evans, he's a buffoon, and deserves to be ridiculed for it.

But that's a separate issue from the fact that you two need to change your avatars to this:

 

[the sceptic]

but I thought he was fervently anti doping?!

Lemond loves to talk about himself, and Lance.

Current doping issues, not so much.

 

[thehog]

Lemond loves to talk about himself, and Lance.

Current doping issues, not so much.

Just hope TVG doesn't become the great American champion. LeMond might try and take him down or record his phone calls.

LeMonds support Froome is laughable.

 

[@NL_LeMondFans]

Maybe I'm wrong but from what I see Armstrong is kind of special. The doping issue is collective, because it was widespread (although not 100%), you can't blame it on one single person. But Armstrong is special because of the way he built a whole organization (including a charity one) made to serve him and destroy anyone standing in the way.

I believe we, cycling fans, are all in contradiction because we have admired, at one point or another, a rider who turned out to be a doper. Pantani is a good example (although I'm not a fan of his myself).

If we were all acting accordingly to a strict "doping doubt" code, how could we enjoy pro cycling ? I believe we're all making compromises.

Greg does it on TV, in the press. He's more exposed. His contradictions are more apparent.

By the way, I've never seen Greg starting a conversation about Armstrong. It's just not something he has on his mind, but something that people, especially journalists, keep asking him about.

Everyone knows Greg is not the kind of guy who shuts his mouth.

 

[gobuck]

Greg got burned commercially when he was anti-dope. He has learned from his mistakes.