LeMond II

[red_flanders]

Yes, good article. And well said by Landis.

Bullsnort. The difference, as LeMond states in his comments, is as follows:

“We had a decent relationship, but since 2001 we’ve not had any relationship. I’m not one that holds a grudge but I’m also realistic with who I’m dealing with and he’s not really shown any remorse for what he’s done,” LeMond told members of the Australian press on the morning of the Tour Down Under’s third stage.

“That’s not about doping but about what he’s done to people’s lives, destroyed them. He took a good ten years out of my life. I'd be willing to talk to him under certain circumstances.”

When asked if Armstrong should see his ban reduced, LeMond stated his belief that the former US Postal leader should remain outside of the sport.

"If anyone deserves a life ban…. Ben Johnson got a life ban in 1988 and relative to that he wasn’t involved in the conspiracy to cover up stuff. I don’t think there’s ever been a cyclist who has ever been involved in that level of deception. It’s unfortunate.”

Greg clearly makes a distinction between Armstrong and other dopers. I don't love his silence and apparent blind spot for people like Pantani and others, but I also understand it. Seriously what's the point at this late date and time?

Landis is acting like what Indurain did is equal to what Armstrong did and faulting Greg for not treating them the same.

He's full of ****.

 

[red_flanders]

Lance tried to ruin him. Everyone other than Lance gets a pass. Why is that so hard to understand?

It's not. But cheaters want to act like all cheating is the same. It's not. For Landis, it's a roundabout way of excusing what he did with his teammates. It's chicken-****.

 

[MarkvW]

Bullsnort. The difference, as LeMond states in his comments, is as follows:



Greg clearly makes a distinction between Armstrong and other dopers. I don't love his silence and apparent blind spot for people like Pantani and others, but I also understand it. Seriously what's the point at this late date and time?

Landis is acting like what Indurain did is equal to what Armstrong did and faulting Greg for not treating them the same.

He's full of ****.

I think the only difference is that LeMond is still making money in the sport and Landis is not. While Landis was still active in the sport he was a TOTAL fraud. LeMond is at least doing better than that.

 

[sniper]

It's not. But cheaters want to act like all cheating is the same. It's not. For Landis, it's a roundabout way of excusing what he did with his teammates. It's chicken-****.

you can say about landis what you want, but he seems to speak without any agenda, nor axes to grind.
he's making a good point about double standards in some of the commentary.
i doubt he's seen Greg's full interview.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Landis is wrong. LeMond has been very consistent in his anti doping stance.
It's important when it can help him personally. Otherwise, not so much.

I hate to admit it, but that's a pretty fair assessment actually.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I think what we can take from this is that people like Travis Tygart and Paul Kimmage have a clear understanding of the issues, and the right focus. Thanks Travis and Paul!

 

[mewmewmew13]

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1625828&postcount=108

it is a very small backslapping circle going on in here atm....about two that are very conspicuous ..

 

[mewmewmew13]

When I first saw the article today by Floyd just had a hunch that there would be a lot of crowing in here from digger..

 

[ChewbaccaD]

When I first saw the article today by Floyd just had a hunch that there would be a lot of crowing in here from digger..

When I saw it was the USADA who took down Leinders and Zorzoli, I knew there'd be a lot of hypocrisy in here by digger (the irony of his twitter handle is lost on him) and thehog.

 

[Parker]

When I first saw the article today by Floyd just had a hunch that there would be a lot of crowing in here from digger..

Landis just reads his twitter and feeds his opinions back to him and the other 'anti-doping crusaders' via a tame journalist like Benson who won't ask questions and will even correct quotes. And they lap it up and proclaim him an anti-doping hero and forget that his rap sheet of arseholery rivals Armstrong's.

Let's not forget this (worse than anything Armstrong did IMO):

Landis testified that he and Geoghegan were sitting alone in a hotel banquet room last Wednesday night when Geoghegan called LeMond. Posing as LeMond's uncle, Geoghegan threatened to reveal that LeMond had been sexually abused as a child if LeMond testified the next day.

Source

Anyone who thinks that Landis is the hero and LeMond is the villan has lost all perspective.

 

[RiccoDinko]

Lemond, great cyclist, but a Huge Schmuck!

 

[the sceptic]

it is a very small backslapping circle going on in here atm....about two that are very conspicuous ..

where is vortex and weather radio when you need them? all this Lemond hate is out of order

 

[thehog]

Landis just reads his twitter and feeds his opinions back to him and the other 'anti-doping crusaders' via a tame journalist like Benson who won't ask questions and will even correct quotes. And they lap it up and proclaim him an anti-doping hero and forget that his rap sheet of arseholery rivals Armstrong's.

Let's not forget this (worse than anything Armstrong did IMO):



Anyone who thinks that Landis is the hero and LeMond is the villan has lost all perspective.

Yeah! We should all listen to Wiggo, that guy tells it straight up

Good post Parker.

"I love him," Wiggins said. "I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense. Even his strongest critics have benefitted from him. I don't think this sport will ever realise what he's brought it or how big he's made it.

 

[D-Queued]

Lemond, great cyclist, but a Huge Schmuck!

Ah. Thank you.

I had almost forgotten why we have a LeMond thread.

Say hi to Lance, ok?

Dave.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Landis just reads his twitter and feeds his opinions back to him and the other 'anti-doping crusaders' via a tame journalist like Benson who won't ask questions and will even correct quotes. And they lap it up and proclaim him an anti-doping hero and forget that his rap sheet of arseholery rivals Armstrong's.

Let's not forget this (worse than anything Armstrong did IMO):



Anyone who thinks that Landis is the hero and LeMond is the villan has lost all perspective.

To the first para..I apologize for not using proper clinic protocol..(add to indicate sarcasm) we're aware of digger/Floyd symbiosis

If I remember correctly the Geoghegan call/threat to Lemond was not Floyd's idea in any way..Geoghegan acted on his own initiative on that one..

Your last comment.. not sure who you are pointing that at but pretty sure you don't know me and my opinions if you are slanting that at me

 

[webvan]

Can't find a Landis thread so this one will do I suppose : http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lan...g-stance-on-lance-armstrong-lacks-consistency

On the subject, Landis told Cyclingnews: “In my opinion Wiggins went from a hopelessly average climber to being the second best rider (he probably meant climber or was he taking the p**s ?) in the Tour in 2012. In 2011, the year Leinders joined the team, Wiggins transformed into a climber who was even better than he'd been in 2009.

“People are free to judge that for themselves and ask legitimate questions about Sky and their hiring policy.”

“In light of all of this, the comments from Greg, Armstrong, Leinders and Zorzoli, it's not surprising that virtually all legitimate sponsors have fled the sport. It is now financed primarily by bored wealthy men who need a reason to give their wives about why they spend so much time with young leg-shaving men in tight pants.”

Was he drunk again ? You'd think that after failing a dope test because he'd drank too much whisky (or was it beer) he'd be more careful nowadays ;-)

 

[Parker]

To the first para..I apologize for not using proper clinic protocol..(add to indicate sarcasm) we're aware of digger/Floyd symbiosis

I think I saw that. I'm not sure. I wasn't disagreeing with you.

If I remember correctly the Geoghegan call/threat to Lemond was not Floyd's idea in any way..Geoghegan acted on his own initiative on that one..

But he was sitting right next to him

Your last comment.. not sure who you are pointing that at but pretty sure you don't know me and my opinions if you are slanting that at me

I was pointing it at those who think LeMond is a villain and Landis a hero. Nothing to do with you. (My gut feeling was that you thought the same)

 

[Digger]

Can't find a Landis thread so this one will do I suppose : http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lan...g-stance-on-lance-armstrong-lacks-consistency



Was he drunk again ? You'd think that after failing a dope test because he'd drank too much whisky (or was it beer) he'd be more careful nowadays ;-)

you disagree that wiggins wasn't the second best rider?

 

[mewmewmew13]

"Landis sacks manager after 'menacing' phone call"

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/we...g/2007/05/18/1178995371778.html?page=fullpage

not saying I know the whole story but this is what I remember...
sitting next to someone on the phone doesn't exactly make him responsible for the convo..just trying to give Floyd the bennie of the doubt

Ta

 

[Parker]

"Landis sacks manager after 'menacing' phone call"

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/we...g/2007/05/18/1178995371778.html?page=fullpage

not saying I know the whole story but this is what I remember...
sitting next to someone on the phone doesn't exactly make him responsible for the convo..just trying to give Floyd the bennie of the doubt

Ta

Ok. That's him in the clear then. He just told his *** friend confidential information.

Now we just have the computer hacking, the Floyd Fairness Fund, Positively False, his father-in-law's suicide and his continuing denial that he took testosterone when he tested positive.

Admittedly this isn't as repulsive as LeMond being nice to Indurain, but it should go unnoticed.

 

[Netserk]

Ok. That's him in the clear then. He just told his *** friend confidential information.

Now we just have the computer hacking, the Floyd Fairness Fund, Positively False, his father-in-law's suicide and his continuing denial that he took testosterone when he tested positive.

Admittedly this isn't as repulsive as LeMond being nice to Indurain, but it should go unnoticed.

Wow.

You blame that on Floyd?

 

[the sceptic]

Wow.

You blame that on Floyd?

He even forgot to mention the most appalling thing Floyd ever did..


implying Wiggins doped.

 

[Benotti69]

He even forgot to mention the most appalling thing Floyd ever did..


implying Wiggins doped.

Have to say Floyd is going to hell for that one...

 

[the delgados]

Landis is wrong. LeMond has been very consistent in his anti doping stance.
It's important when it can help him personally. Otherwise, not so much.

I've never understood how so many justifiably jaded followers of cycling think Lemond is the only cyclist in history who won the tour clean. The notion defies credulity.
I'm not saying he doped, because I don't know. But it just seems amazing to me that he's the only one who did it without any form of enhancement.
Landis' comments are bang on, drunk or not. I've always had the impression that others have based their careers on getting their comeuppance on someone who is clearly not a nice person.
Am i the only one who thinks JV's "clean cycling project" was motivated in part to expose Armstrong?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Landis just reads his twitter and feeds his opinions back to him and the other 'anti-doping crusaders' via a tame journalist like Benson who won't ask questions and will even correct quotes. And they lap it up and proclaim him an anti-doping hero and forget that his rap sheet of arseholery rivals Armstrong's.

Let's not forget this (worse than anything Armstrong did IMO):



Anyone who thinks that Landis is the hero and LeMond is the villan has lost all perspective.

Awe, someone does't wike the fact that Landis called out his wittle wiggo for being an obvious doping cheat. You might fool a fool, but you'll never fool another cheater.