LEMOND the DOPER

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Of course a business lawsuit is about money.

Trek sunk Greg's brand. Armstrong interfered with Greg's business dealings. This caused Greg to lose money. As much as you would wish to see this fought in the court of public opinion this will never happen.

You're calling Greg a liar? Because he said the court case was not about the money. Indeed, his businesses likely made money out of Armstrong.

You must have been disappointed that he took the money.

 

[Race Radio]

I have been banned 30 times for trolling

I have said many times, before, during and after, that Greg should settle.

There is plenty of evidence, along with the judge's own rulings, that showed Trek was screwed. We went over this many times in another thread that you trolled endlessly until you were banned multiple times.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

I have said many times, before, during and after, that Greg should settle.

Pull the other one. You desperately wanted Armstrong in court. You only said Greg was right to settle to save face when he unexpectedly settled against everything he had said he would do.

There is plenty of evidence, along with the judge's own rulings, that showed Trek was screwed. We went over this many times in another thread that you trolled endlessly until you were banned multiple times.

No. There was your spin on court proceedings which was disputed by others. We will now never know the truth because it wasn't put before a court.

 

[Race Radio]

Trolling messageboards gives me meaning in my meaningless life

I post many times for months that Greg should settle. Your baiting does not change this.

There is plenty in the public domain that shows why Trek was so desperate to settle. You can pretend that there is not but this does not make it so.

 

[buckwheat]

I have said many times, before, during and after, that Greg should settle.

Apparently Trek made an offer that LeMond couldn't refuse. Maybe he didn't set his damages high enough to compensate the destruction of his reputation. At any rate, despite LeMond winning, Trek contained this thing and continues to win the PR battle.

I disagree with you somewhat here. Why did you think he should have settled before? When GL regained his bearings and decided to go after Trek it seemed that he was prepared to see this thing through to the finish with only one left standing.

As I think it is plain to see, the blows that LeMond absorbed continue to dog him while Trek appeared to be hit with only light jabs.

Clearly to rational people, LeMond was and is the real deal, while LA is a fraud, however to the majority, LeMond is a whiny loser. The only way to have set that straight would have been a decisive verdict in court.

There is plenty of evidence, along with the judge's own rulings, that showed Trek was screwed. We went over this many times in another thread that you trolled endlessly until you were banned multiple times.

Yes, but the general perception is that Armstrong is genuine and that LeMond is a has been who may have doped himself.

I don't know how the monetary aspects of the lawsuit and settlement were structured but it is clear that LeMond's reputation continues to be damaged while LA just has an annoying itch. SSDD for him.

 

[ChrisE]

I know you were joking.

I have always said that Greg should settle. Even when Greg wins in court a mudslinging match only benefits Armstrong who has shown to be a master at it. The American public has proven time and again that when it comes to Armstrong they are willing to suspend rational thought.

I wasn't specifically talking about you. I would have to go back and look at the old thread to find the culprits, and I don't have the inclination to do it.

The lawsuit was supposedly never about winning over the American public, which I agree is collectively pretty stupid. Most of the talk in here was about principles, and GL would never settle or should never settle.

And, the outcome is only what matters. If they sling mud, who cares, if GL wins and their mudslinging is shown to the false. I'm not buying the "lose by winning" scenario you propose. Being scared of allegations, supposedly false ones, should scare one waging a principled fight to settle? I'm surprised you are saying that GL should have been scared of this. I'm not following your reasoning.

Edit: Newsflash, I happen to agree with something buckwheat has written. There is a god lol.

 

[buckwheat]

No. There was your spin on court proceedings which was disputed by others. We will now never know the truth because it wasn't put before a court.

I think that is more of a commentary on the audience than on the merits of the case. Congrats on clouding this issue.

To paraphrase Mencken, no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the public.

Guess who that is? LA took you for a dupe. Congrats again.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

I post many times for months that Greg should settle. Your baiting does not change this.

You did not want him to settle. You just said for his health or something that would be good for him personally. But nobody in the world wanted Lemond to take it all the way more than you did.

There is plenty in the public domain that shows why Trek was so desperate to settle. You can pretend that there is not but this does not make it so.

Spin again - nobody said that Trek did not want to settle. Obviously a big company like that doesn't want a long court case. The issue is that Lemond settled and took the money rather than proving his case.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Congrats on clouding this issue.

Huh? It was Lemond who decided to cloud the issue by never putting his case before the court. That's not my fault.

 

[buckwheat]

Huh? It was Lemond who decided to cloud the issue by never putting his case before the court. That's not my fault.

Trek evidently made a substantial settlement offer. The judge had encouraged both sides to settle. Do you think the judge would have looked kindly on LeMond if he had turned down an offer close to the damages he was seeking?

I know you're not a fair arbiter of these things, but I don't think the judge would have been pleased.

 

[buckwheat]

Edit: Newsflash, I happen to agree with something buckwheat has written. There is a god lol.

edited by mod

 

[Race Radio]

You did not want him to settle. You just said for his health or something that would be good for him personally. But nobody in the world wanted Lemond to take it all the way more than you did.

If you go back over the multiple threads on this issue you will find two things.

1. You consistently tried to derail any real discussion by trolling. For this you were banned multiple times. If is almost comical read through the threads and see all of your banned usernames and all the silly games you play.

2. I was for a settlement. Over 3 months prior to to the settlement being reached I posted

How much do you guys think Trek is going to have to pay to settle? I am thinking $10 million at least

I consistently said that Trek will settle and that Greg should take it. Greg and Trek took this to court and the Judge tossed out much of Trek's case and said the rest was on weak legal ground. It was no surprise that they settled.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

If you go back over the multiple threads on this issue you will find two things.

1. You consistently tried to derail any real discussion by trolling. For this you were banned multiple times. If is almost comical read through the threads and see all of your banned usernames and all the silly games you play.

Yawn. These lies don't work anymore.

2. I was for a settlement. Over 3 months prior to to the settlement being reached I posted

He quotes something that doesn't prove he was for settlement.

You were not for settment at all - there is nobody in the world that was more desperate than you for Lemond to take this to court. That was clear from everything you wrote about it. You may, however, have said somewhere that it would be good for Lemond's health to settle - though I've only read you say that afterwards - but even if you said it before, it still doesn't change the fact that you were utterly transfixed with getting Mr Evil in court.

I think you'd have more credibility if you just admitted the obvious and said you would have liked to see Armstrong in court and were disappointed with the settlement. I don't think even your friends are buying it.

 

[buckwheat]

If you go back over the multiple threads on this issue you will find two things.

1. You consistently tried to derail any real discussion by trolling. For this you were banned multiple times. If is almost comical read through the threads and see all of your banned usernames and all the silly games you play.

2. I was for a settlement. Over 3 months prior to to the settlement being reached I posted



I consistently said that Trek will settle and that Greg should take it. Greg and Trek took this to court and the Judge tossed out much of Trek's case and said the rest was on weak legal ground. It was no surprise that they settled.

Yes, I can vouch that you did say that, because most of the time I agree with your perspective on these things.

You do know a lot more than I do about these issues so it's very possible your opinion is a more accurate take on reality here.

I will say that I was dissappointed myself that this thing wasn't fought out.

That fact gives enough wiggle room to the believers in the myth unfortunately.

 

[buckwheat]

Yawn. These lies don't work anymore.



He quotes something that doesn't prove he was for settlement.

You were not for settment at all - there is nobody in the world that was more desperate than you for Lemond to take this to court. That was clear from everything you wrote about it. You may, however, have said somewhere that it would be good for Lemond's health to settle - though I've only read you say that afterwards - but even if you said it before, it still doesn't change the fact that you were utterly transfixed with getting Mr Evil in court.

I think you'd have more credibility if you just admitted the obvious and said you would have liked to see Armstrong in court and were disappointed with the settlement. I don't think even your friends are buying it.

BTW, what's your name?

You're wrong here, because I distinctly remember Disagreeing with Race Radio.

You can ascribe the above feelings to me and it would be accurate, but RR said early that LeMond could, should, and would settle.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Yes, I can vouch that you did say that, because most of the time I agree with your perspective on these things.

Be careful what you are vouching for because RR uses subtle spin. Of course Race Radio said Trek will try to settle. That's not the question. The question is whether Race Radio wanted Lemond to settle, or indeed said he should settle.

I will say that I was dissappointed myself that this thing wasn't fought out. That fact gives enough wiggle room to the believers in the myth unfortunately.

Yes Armstrong's critics were pretty gutted by Lemond's decision.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

BTW, what's your name?

It's an Icelandic volcano.

You're wrong here, because I distinctly remember Disagreeing with Race Radio.

You can ascribe the above feelings to me and it would be accurate, but RR said early that LeMond could, should, and would settle.

Well I'm yet to see any proof. As I said in my first post, RR may have said it would be less stressful and better for Lemond's health to settle personally - though this has no be proven yet - but there is no doubt what RR was hoping for.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Be careful what you are vouching for because RR uses subtle spin. Of course Race Radio said Trek will try to settle. That's not the question. The question is whether Race Radio wanted Lemond to settle, or indeed said he should settle.
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Well you said this earlier.....

Pull the other one. You desperately wanted Armstrong in court. You only said Greg was right to settle to save face when he unexpectedly settled against everything he had said he would do.

So, which is it?

 

[Race Radio]

One of our resident troll's frequent strategies is to event lies about other posters in order to bait them into responding to him. It should be no surprise that this garbage causes him to be banned over and over

3 months prior to the settlement I wrote.

As much as it would be good it the truth came out I am not sure if a court case would be the way to go.

The fact is Armstrong has done a far better job of spinning the media. This case is a perfect example. There are plenty of groupies that repeat the Armstrong press releases as if they are fact, yet we have seen that they do not stand up in court. Even when Greg wins Armstrong will spin it as Greg is just bitter....and the groupies will eat it up even though it has no basis in reality.A great example is the SCA case. Once the judge said that the case was about contract law, and there were no provisions in the contract for doping, SCA settled. Of course Armstrong's press releases we all about him being vindicated an this was proof that he did not dope. Despite this being false his groupies ate it up and still repeat it to this day.

The best thing would be to settle, take the cash, then let the new information make it's way into the public domain.

 

[ChrisE]

Hey man! I put the final nails in the coffin on the BP episode over on the politics thread.

If you'd relax and let go of your ego, I'm sure you will agree with me there too.

Not about GOD! That's about miracles. Just logic, no miracles necessary.

PS, if the bullets miss you or you find your car keys you may see that as turning water into wine. Amen!

Mr. Wheat, unfortunately I refuse to let my words and intent on a post be twisted beyond recognition. This is what you did on the challenger issue, but I was impressed with your tenacity. Good job....you remind me of LA and his aggressive tenacity towards his enemies. I always wondered if he posted here, and who he was. Are you LA, and do you just deliberately stir the pot?

It's not relaxing my ego that would enable me agree with you. For me and you to find consistent common ground, I would need to divide my IQ by 4 ie intentionally dumb myself down to your level. Unfortunately, I take drug tests at work so a steady stream of crack is out of the question. Sorry.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Originally Posted by buckwheat
BTW, what's your name?

It's an Icelandic volcano.

This time.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

BTW, what's your name?
......

It's an Icelandic volcano.
....
Well I'm yet to see any proof. As I said in my first post, RR may have said it would be less stressful and better for Lemond's health to settle personally - though this has no be proven yet - but there is no doubt what RR was hoping for.

Some more information on Eyjafjallajokull.

Eyjafjallajokull has been spewing a lot lately - it is not particularly dangerous, but it has caused quite a lot of disruption.

Occasionally it seems as though it is about to stop but then there is some obvious rumbles of activity, inevitably a lot of hot air gets built up before it becomes an obvious eruption.

Sometimes it seems calm and reasonable but like other names its called, it doesn't take long before another blast of hot air is released.

It probably will get quiet soon but there is always another one ready to spout somewhere.

A word of warning - it will probably become very active during the month of July.

 

[Polish]

Of course a business lawsuit is about money.
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You're calling Greg a liar? Because he said the court case was not about the money.
You must have been disappointed that he took the money.

Race, you are saying the court case WAS about the money...
And Greg said the court case WAS NOT about the money...

I agree with you on this one - it WAS about the money.

I do not think Greg was a liar though.
But I do NOT think he was telling the "absolute truth".

Greg seems to be an incredibly shrewd businessman.
You have wonder if he had a bodily organ removed unnecessarily
to close the TREK deal?

 

[RTMcFadden]

Greg seems to be an incredibly shrewd businessman.

I think Greg tries to be an an incredibly shrewd businessman. Unfortunately, sometimes the only one he outsmarts is himself.

 

[Race Radio]

I think Greg tries to be an an incredibly shrewd businessman. Unfortunately, sometimes the only one he outsmarts is himself.

Yet he continues to win multi million $$$$ lawsuits. I wish I was so stupid.