LEMOND the DOPER

[RTMcFadden]

Yet he continues to win multi million $$$$ lawsuits. I wish I was so stupid.

Oh, you're way more stupid than that.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Race Radio, well done for finding something months before the case had even started. However I stand by my point - you did desperately want Lemond to proceed with the case. But you're quite good at spinning things - what you were bascially doing in that quote is face saving, pretending that if Lemond decided to take the money it would be all because the "groupies" would smear him even if he won, so it might not be worth it. In fact that is what you explicitly said. It's just a backhander.

It was quite clear from everything you and others said before the trial in many threads about it that you very much wanted Armstrong in court and for all rumours and hearsay to be put into an official public forum so it would ruin his reputation. That was the big once in a life time chance you badly wanted it to happen.

The idea that you were chuffed when you heard the news that lemond had decided to settle is bananas. C'mon.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Race, you are saying the court case WAS about the money...
And Greg said the court case WAS NOT about the money...

I agree with you on this one - it WAS about the money.

I do not think Greg was a liar though.
But I do NOT think he was telling the "absolute truth".

Greg seems to be an incredibly shrewd businessman.
You have wonder if he had a bodily organ removed unnecessarily
to close the TREK deal?

The funny thing about RR is he can't get his story straight but then has the nerve to accuse me of lying and making stuff up.

 

[Race Radio]

Race Radio, well done for finding something months before the case had even started. However I stand by my point - you did desperately want Lemond to proceed with the case. But you're quite good at spinning things - what you were bascially doing in that quote is face saving, pretending that if Lemond decided to take the money it would be all because the "groupies" would smear him even if he won, so it might not be worth it. In fact that is what you explicitly said. It's just a backhander.

It was quite clear from everything you and others said before the trial in many threads about it that you very much wanted Armstrong in court and for all rumours and hearsay to be put into an official public forum so it would ruin his reputation. That was the big once in a life time chance you badly wanted it to happen.

The idea that you were chuffed when you heard the news that lemond had decided to settle is bananas. C'mon.

The troll continues.

I have shown you what my position was while the case was ongoing. My position was always that Trek was desperate to settle and Greg should take them up on it. When it was settled I was clear that it was a victory for Greg and that going to court would have accomplished little. That you are unable to produce anything but more trolling should not be a surprise to anyone.

What you do see if you go back and look at those threads on the Trek-Lemond case is the repetitive rambling of the same often banned troll who keeps reappearing on the board like a herpes virus. Your obsession with Lemond, and trolling this message board is disturbing.

 

[Race Radio]

I am a troll who has been banned over 30 times

I have produced evidence to back up what was said, you have produced nothing.

Oh, I forgot. You are a troll. Your only goal is to bait others into responding to you.

 

[Polish]

When most of the Lance-Haters were working themselves into a froth at the very prospect of getting LANCE ON THE STAND under OATH in front of a JURY in a packed COURTROOM, the Greg-Haters knew the EXTORTION case would never make it to a courtroom and Greg would SETTLE out-of-court for money.

Race, you realized early on the Greg-Haters were correct, and began your spin that an out-of-court settlement was actually the RIGHT thing for Greg to do.

Whatever.

But do you REALLY think Greg received $10,000,000?
No Way Jose. I would guess $500,000 at most after taxes/expenses.
Still not bad though!

Different topic...remember when Greg settled out-of-court, and in order to save face, it was announced by Greg's lawyer that no "gag-order" was signed? Well, I am expecting the "Smear Campaign on Lance" by Greg to start up any day now as the TdF gets closer lol.

 

[Race Radio]

When most of the Lance-Haters were working themselves into a froth at the very prospect of getting LANCE ON THE STAND under OATH in front of a JURY in a packed COURTROOM, the Greg-Haters knew the EXTORTION case would never make it to a courtroom and Greg would SETTLE out-of-court for money.

Race, you realized early on the Greg-Haters were correct, and began your spin that an out-of-court settlement was actually the RIGHT thing for Greg to do.

Whatever.

But do you REALLY think Greg received $10,000,000?
No Way Jose. I would guess $500,000 at most after taxes/expenses.
Still not bad though!

Different topic...remember when Greg settled out-of-court, and in order to save face, it was announced by Greg's lawyer that no "gag-order" was signed? Well, I am expecting the "Smear Campaign on Lance" by Greg to start up any day now as the TdF gets closer lol.

Once the Judge tossed out the majority of Trek's case, and said publicly that what was left was on weak legal ground I knew that Trek settle. Both Greg and Lance have been very active legally. Both would be smart enough to know that there would be no winners if this went to trail. Beyond the media war trials are a very painful experience.

I would guess now is that Greg walked, after expenses, in the low signal digit millions. I think his filing said he was making about $500K per year from Trek. He lost earnings might have been $1-2 million.

Maybe he broke even....if you don't factor in opportunity costs.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

The troll continues.

I have shown you what my position was while the case was ongoing.

You have shown me one post three months before the settlement which was an attempt to blame the famed 'groupies' if Lemond took the money. The rest of your contributions over many months were all about how terrible it was going to be for Armstrong.

You don't do yourself any favours by pretending you were delighted Greg ran off with the cash. It would be like me claiming I thought it was great that Armstrong had to spend all summer having his name dragged through the mud in a court room instead of training for the TdF. Nobody would believe me.

Why do you get so proud about these things?

PS. I think you should mention the word 'troll' ten times in your response. Some people might have missed that bit in your last post.

 

[Runitout]

PS. I think you should mention the word 'troll' ten times in your response. Some people might have missed that bit in your last post.

They won't miss it in yours.

 

[buckwheat]

Mr. Wheat, unfortunately I refuse to let my words and intent on a post be twisted beyond recognition. This is what you did on the challenger issue, but I was impressed with your tenacity. Good job....you remind me of LA and his aggressive tenacity towards his enemies. I always wondered if he posted here, and who he was. Are you LA, and do you just deliberately stir the pot?

It's not relaxing my ego that would enable me agree with you. For me and you to find consistent common ground, I would need to divide my IQ by 4 ie intentionally dumb myself down to your level. Unfortunately, I take drug tests at work so a steady stream of crack is out of the question. Sorry.

How did I twist your words?

The example you brought up proved the opposite point you were trying to make.

What were you trying to prove?

You won't say because it was simple and obvious as all get out.

Did you prove it?

No, your example and the real life event and what preceeded it proved that cultures don't change unless there are regulations that are enforced.

The things that happened were both foreseeable and predictable in opposition to what you said.

I know you're afraid to commit to any substantive claims because you know I will tear any of your nonsense apart?

I'm sure you'll continue with the personal attacks because your ego will not let you see the obvious and admit you're wrong.

 

[ChrisE]

How did I twist your words?

The example you brought up proved the opposite point you were trying to make.

What were you trying to prove?

You won't say because it was simple and obvious as all get out.

Did you prove it?

No, your example and the real life event and what preceeded it proved that cultures don't change unless there are regulations that are enforced.

The things that happened were both foreseeable and predictable in opposition to what you said.

I know you're afraid to commit to any substantive claims because you know I will tear any of your nonsense apart?

I'm sure you'll continue with the personal attacks because your ego will not let you see the obvious and admit you're wrong.

OK you win.

Now, let's please stay on topic. It is not right that you act this way when you know Susan is asleep in Europe. Thanks.

 

[buckwheat]

OK you win.

Now, let's please stay on topic. It is not right that you act this way when you know Susan is asleep in Europe. Thanks.

Toaster, you popped up again!

It's kind of obvious I won, isn't it? When you want to prove cultural change by giving an example where the culture hasn't changed at all it's pretty straightforward to everyone but you.

You're the one who said my IQ is the same as yours divided by 4.

Anyway back to the original topic.

The problem for you here again is obvious; there is no topic, but a flaw in toaster circuitry lets you believe there is one.

Your objective here is not to prove that there is a possibility LeMond doped.

It's to prove it actually happened.

I'm sure the lack of evidence or witnesses won't dissuade you from your objective.

Carry on.

 

[Kennf1]

Race, you are saying the court case WAS about the money...
And Greg said the court case WAS NOT about the money...

I agree with you on this one - it WAS about the money.

I do not think Greg was a liar though.
But I do NOT think he was telling the "absolute truth".

Greg seems to be an incredibly shrewd businessman.
You have wonder if he had a bodily organ removed unnecessarily
to close the TREK deal?

Seem like the "Greg haters" can't decide is he is a shrewd businessman or not. I thought the party line was that he was running Trek's Lemond line into the ground? What the hell is this thread about again?

 

[buckwheat]

Seem like the "Greg haters" can't decide is he is a shrewd businessman or not. I thought the party line was that he was running Trek's Lemond line into the ground? What the hell is this thread about again?

See? It just shows what an upstanding group of people are at Trek.

They have more allegiance to the truth and their wrongfully accused 7 time champion, than to their whiny dissembling 3 time TdF champ in spite his being a shrewd businessman.

More allegiance to the truth than money!

Thanks Trek for taking a principled stand!

Polish, what is your rate of pay for your labors here?

BTW, I'll never buy one.......

 

[Oldman]

See? It just shows what an upstanding group of people are at Trek.

They have more allegiance to the truth and their wrongfully accused 7 time champion, than to their whiny dissembling 3 time TdF champ in spite his being a shrewd businessman.

More allegiance to the truth than money!

Thanks Trek for taking a principled stand!

Polish, what is your rate of pay for your labors here?

BTW, I'll never buy one.......

Trek, like any company has allegiance to profits. If Lance fell off the Earth tomorrow and another American on RS won the TdeF; he'd be the next poster boy. I'm with you; Trek is a four-letter word.

 

[Oncearunner8]

You have shown me one post three months before the settlement which was an attempt to blame the famed 'groupies' if Lemond took the money. The rest of your contributions over many months were all about how terrible it was going to be for Armstrong.

You don't do yourself any favours by pretending you were delighted Greg ran off with the cash. It would be like me claiming I thought it was great that Armstrong had to spend all summer having his name dragged through the mud in a court room instead of training for the TdF. Nobody would believe me.

Why do you get so proud about these things?

PS. I think you should mention the word 'troll' ten times in your response. Some people might have missed that bit in your last post.

Hey dawg... do you remember when someone said your screen name was close to Eyejackaneyefull? I think that this time your getting close to that and maybe you should just do everyone a favor and STFU regarding Lemond and the Trek issue.
Do you have some type of "personal" investment? Are you operating from some undisclosed location near the hillcountry?