Lemond - Trek lawsuit

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This is an interesting point. Lemond, as with any damaged party, has an obligation to mitigate his damages. In other words, Lemond should be doing all he can to re-establish his business. To the extent that Lemond does nothing he risks having his damages reduced based on his failure to mitigate his damages. Lemond can't just let the brand die and blame it all on Trek.

So with that in mind, anyone have any insight into that angle? Is Lemond looking for a replacement for Trek? Of course if Lemond makes the effort and still can't get the brand re-established because of the harm caused by Trek, then that just helps Lemond's case.

I would think that there is still some decent value in the Lemond brand. I think their bikes were pretty well received and those I knew who had the most recent iterations really liked them.

If his personal fortune is truly worth $100mil, he should have absolutely no problem capitalizing a new launch of his brand name.

 

[Anonymous]

In the absence of being able to cut off the head (figuratively) the only way to combat him is to starve him of the food he so desires and "Ignore" him. Honestly, he really is crazy, the bad kind of crazy.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Dr. Maserati,...

You are right - I wasn't talking at you.
BTW- it wasnt a "cancer awareness" meeting - it was the interbike show in Las Vegas.

 

[Race Radio]

Every bit of press Lemond has gotten the past few years has been negative. It isn't a forum phenomena.

The Lemond brand is on it's way out and that speaks of Greg's management of the brand. It has been spiraling for some time. It isn't the 'bike to have' at any level. We can split hairs as to how that has come to pass exactly. You might think it is Armstrong who is doing it. I don't agree.

Armstrong hiring a PR firm to insure that Greg's press was negative had nothing to do with this? The fact that you cannot site one quote only supports my case.

 

[Anonymous]

There is also a SPROCKET999 that I have ignored prophylactically. It is the only sane option here.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

,,,,,,.

So you do not have a quote or anything to back up your claim - ok, thanks.

 

[Sprocket01]

In the absence of being able to cut off the head (figuratively) the only way to combat him is to starve him of the food he so desires and "Ignore" him. Honestly, he really is crazy, the bad kind of crazy.

With respect, I think you've lost it a little bit. Just calm down. We're all just rambling about something we can't really understand without knowing all the details we don't have access to. It's just an internet cycling forum. Nobody needs to get hurt.

 

[Sprocket01]

So you do not have a quote or anything to back up your claim - ok, thanks.

It's not a quote issue, Maserati, and you know it. We're looking at the general statements and behaviour and drawing our own subjective, speculative opinions. It's what people do about LA all the time.

I have laid out why I think this is the case - bringing to court an issue which he didn't lose money out of, trying to drag everyone around Armstrong into it, showing all the signs of having a grudge against Armstrong, etc.

Like Armstrong himself, he seems to be the type of guy who has an enemies list.

 

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Armstrong hiring a PR firm to insure that Greg's press was negative had nothing to do with this? The fact that you cannot site one quote only supports my case.

You are saying a PR firm can create news about Lemond? Were they behind Lemond's outburst at the tour regarding Contador's epic climb? VO2 Max-gate

This is the sort of thinking that keeps 'Who Shot JFK' shows in circulation.

 

[ggusta]

ggusta tiptoes away quietly

shhhh....don't disturb the crazy people...

closes door gently

walks away quickly

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Every bit of press Lemond has gotten the past few years has been negative. It isn't a forum phenomena.

The Lemond brand is on it's way out and that speaks of Greg's management of the brand. It has been spiraling for some time. It isn't the 'bike to have' at any level. We can split hairs as to how that has come to pass exactly. You might think it is Armstrong who is doing it. I don't agree.

Again Scribe, you are not backing up your claims - and worse, you are not questioning why you have these views.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0627/1224249651626.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/cycling/article2010066.ece

http://www.velonews.com/article/79414

There are 3 Lemond interviews - they are not negative, nor indeed 'glowing' interviews. They are just standard interviews.

 

[Kennf1]

You are saying a PR firm can create news about Lemond?

Yeah. And they can create news about Armstrong. More important is the way they influence the news and build a brand. It's what PR firms do. Just ask them. No just kidding, all work for clients is confidential.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

It's ......

Quick fire question round.

What did Greg say that hurt Trek?
When did Lance call Greg, and more importantly why?
What did he say?
What did John Burke CEO of Trek do?
What did Trek do?

 

[Sprocket01]

Another interview here. Someone with a score to settle? Sense of bitterness?

There’s already tension in the house because my questions have rekindled LeMond’s anger toward Armstrong and Landis. “I’m gonna hold Floyd accountable for what he did to me,” LeMond vows.

Yester the dog senses the unease in the air. “He’s overkill for us,” Kathy says, “but if someone tries to carjack me, he will jump through the open window at them.”

http://www.mensjournal.com/greg-lemond-vs-the-world

 

[Race Radio]

You are saying a PR firm can create news about Lemond? Were they behind Lemond's outburst at the tour regarding Contador's epic climb? VO2 Max-gate

This is the sort of thinking that keeps 'Who Shot JFK' shows in circulation.

What outburst at the Tour? Are you referring to his Op Ed Column? Hardly an outburst.

Thank you for proving my point. Let us know when you can come up with something that supports your position.

 

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What outburst at the Tour? Are you referring to his Op Ed Column? Hardly an outburst.

Thank you for proving my point.

It didn't catch your attention because it wasn't about Armstrong.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

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Great interview - you forgot to quote this piece.

“I’ve received death threats,” he says. “I’ve had people say I should have my teeth kicked out. I’m a lightning rod for everybody.”

 

[Sprocket01]

Quick fire question round.

What did Greg say that hurt Trek?

It started when the Sunday Times did a report on our friend Dr Ferrari, fresh with quotes from LeMond saying how "disappointed" he was with Armstrong, which obviously heavily implied he believed LA had doped.

Now, if Trek hadn't told him not to criticise individual riders, LeMond would have continued this line against Armstrong and possibly ruined LA's reputation in the US before it had a chance to take hold, thus badly hurting Trek, Armstrong and LeMond's financial potential. It was very sensible for them to do this.

When did Lance call Greg, and more importantly why?

He called to say stop running your mouth off about me.

What did he say?

He reminded LeMond that he miraculously recovered from anaemia during the Giro just with an iron injection, and went onto win a time trial.

What did John Burke CEO of Trek do?

He told LeMond not to talk about things he wasn't sure of and couldn't prove, because it was unethical and very bad for business.

What did Trek do?

They made the best god damn TT bike in the history of the world.

 

[Race Radio]

Great interview - you forgot to quote this piece.

“I’ve received death threats,” he says. “I’ve had people say I should have my teeth kicked out. I’m a lightning rod for everybody.”

You never know when one of the Short Bus Air force might drop some bombs on his house.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

It started ...

Close..... Lemond indeed said he was disappointed with LA using Dr Ferrari - as he is indeed known as 'the doping Doctor".
LA then called Lemond - threatened to have "10 people say they saw GL take EPO" ... (he couldnt even find one!)

So - saying that rider is using Dr. Ferrari is bad for business? Then why didnt Trek get rid of Lance - as he was the one using said doping Doctor? (think about it)

 

[Sprocket01]

Close..... Lemond indeed said he was disappointed with LA using Dr Ferrari - as he is indeed known as 'the doping Doctor".

After the later case blew up he became known as this, but he was still widely respected in the sport at that stage. And indeed even today he known for his legendary coaching and number crunching - nobody would deny this. Not just a "doping doctor".

But LA then called Lemond - threatened to have "10 people say they saw GL take EPO" ...

That is LeMond's version of the phone call, yes. Lance has his version and stood by it under oath.

So - saying that rider is using Dr. Ferrari is bad for business? Then why didnt Trek get rid of Lance - as he was the one using said doping Doctor? (think about it)

Implying that it meant lance doped because he had a relationship with Ferrari, was bad for business, not the relationship itself.

Never say I don't answer questions.

 

[BikeCentric]

After the later case blew up he became known as this, but he was still widely respected in the sport at that stage. And indeed even today he known for his legendary coaching and number crunching - nobody would deny this. Not just a "doping doctor".

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Oh my good friend Sprocket, you have said a lot of, shall we say, outlandish things on this forum but this quote of yours without a doubt takes the cake.

You truly made me laugh aloud and even spit a bit of coffee upon the keyboard.

HA HA HA HA HA HA.

I can't figure out if you really think anyone can possibly take you seriously when you say things like this. Truly one of most luaghable comments I have ever seen made in the history of the sport of cycling, and I've read most all of it. I honestly think this quote is even sillier than Ferrari's own quote about "EPO being safer than orange juice."

 

[Dr. Maserati]

After the...

I believe under one of your other sockpuppets you said that you only started following the sport in the last few years.
So you do not know what impact Dr. Ferraris statements about EPO had - why do you think Gewiss stopped working with him immediatley?

It was common knowledge in 1994.

 

[Sprocket01]

LeMond maybe getting some more unsaviour phone calls from the likes of Armstrong's ex wife if he keeps harrassing her. He does court it.

 

[Sprocket01]

I believe under one of your other sockpuppets you said that you only started following the sport in the last few years.

(never had a sock puppet)
Can't remember saying that. I may have said I didn't get heavy into the murkey detail of it. Who knew of the internet, huh?

So you do not know what impact Dr. Ferraris statements about EPO had - why do you think Gewiss stopped working with him immediatley?

It was common knowledge in 1994.

Either doping was rife in the sport and LeMond couldn't keep up with the peloton, or it was all doctor ferrari?