Lemond/Trek new thread

[Race Radio]

Same.

I will keep looking if you do. How about coming up with some proof that Lemond done something other than just talk and stir up crap?

What? The "I know you are but what am I?" response is very third grade.

I understand, you invented the part about the depositions and now you cannot back it up. I did not expect you to as trolls seldom back up any of their claims

 

[BikeCentric]

Wow BPC was actually a pro troll compared to this guy Hombre. Hombre is strictly amateur hour Cat 5 troll.

 

[Polish]

Ok - imagine if Trek (or Public Strategies) managed to show that Dr. Ferrari was all wholesome and good - and had never doped Lance.
How would Trek then go on to show that Greg referencing Dr. Ferraris involvement with Lance was a bad thing that harmed their sales?

I would love to see Ferrari on the stand in a Federal courtroom - he could tell the press when he was finished that "I'll ride my bike, hoping that you'll stop writing shit about me."...like he did to Cycling Weekly.

I'm not saying that the Trek lawyers should "show that Dr. Ferrari was all wholesome and good'.

Trek can show that Greg shot his brand in the foot by calling Lance a possible HOAX for a evil relationship with Ferrari.
THOSE comments are the ones that caused the BIG BackLash against the Lemond decal'd bikes.
Those are the comments that caused lemond sales to plummet.

Trek showing that it was NOT an evil relationship between Lance and Ferrari would be for the benefit of the fanboys on the jury. There was no reason LeMond should have called Lance a Hoax.

Do you think LeMond MAY try to portray Lance as a Doper/Hoax in the trial?

 

[BYOP88]

Same.

I will keep looking if you do. How about coming up with some proof that Lemond done something other than just talk and stir up crap?

If HRH Lance Phamstrong had nothing to hide or worry about, then he wouldn't give a flying funk about what Greg Lemond had to say or what "info" he had, but you don't get "crap" unless there's something there. Also if Lemond had nothing then I think that Phamstrong would be taking Lemond to court for defamation.

PS. How much cash you getting per post?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I'm not saying that the Trek lawyers should "show that Dr. Ferrari was all wholesome and good'.

Trek can show that Greg shot his brand in the foot by calling Lance a possible HOAX for a evil relationship with Ferrari.
THOSE comments are the ones that caused the BIG BackLash against the Lemond decal'd bikes.
Those are the comments that caused lemond sales to plummet.

Trek showing that it was NOT an evil relationship between Lance and Ferrari would be for the benefit of the fanboys on the jury. There was no reason LeMond should have called Lance a Hoax.

Do you think LeMond MAY try to portray Lance as a Doper/Hoax in the trial?

Firstly - I don't believe this case will go to trial, unfortunately. Trek & Lance have too much to lose so I expect them to make Greg an offer he can't refuse.

But to answer your hypothetical. If it is shown that Dr. Ferrari is indeed a doping genius then what Greg said is true. If its shown that Ferrari is a decent dude - then why is what Greg said harmful to the brand?

What Greg said - if Lance doped it is the greatest fraud - is an accurate and reasonable statement.

 

[pmcg76]

I have stayed out of these threads and dont plan to enter the debate on the finer details. My knowledge of this goes as far as LeMond making the remark that he was "disappointed" with Lances connection with Ferrari back in 00/01 Having been aware of Dr.Ferrari and his reputation since 1994 and his comments on EPO, that is what I felt at the time and I was definitely not anti-Lance.

Lets say it was revelaed tomorrow that Usain Bolt was connected with one of the BALCO affair coaches. I think the general feeling would be one of disappointment. If Michael Johnson said he was disappointed by the connection, would anyone be criticising him. Dont think so.

We also look to have at why the Ferrari link was not public in the first place, if Lance did not think it would look back, why was the connection not public knowledge like his connection with Chris Carmichael. If Lance knew it looked bad, why would he then take offence to LeMond saying he was disappointed. Thats kinda hypocritical to me anyway as LeMond was just stating the obvious.

From that point on, all I know is LeMond was forced by whoever to offer a grovelling apology to Lance and has been on a rant ever since.

So my take on this whole affair is that LeMond expressed an honest opinion on Ferrari that was shared by most people, Lance took it badly and forced Trek to make LeMond make an apology that LeMond felt humiliated by. Instead of just lying down, LeMond joined in the dirty games and has been fighting a negative rearguard PR action ever since.

I dont know the finer details since then so not getting involved in all the arguments.

Cannot be bothered to write another response so..........

 

[Anonymous]

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What Greg said - if Lance doped it is the greatest fraud - is an accurate and reasonable statement.

Why?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

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Why?

Receiving renumeration for athletic achievements achieved through doping is cheating and therefore fraudulent.

 

[Anonymous]

Receiving renumeration for athletic achievements achieved through doping is cheating and therefore fraudulent.

But why would it be the greatest fraud of all time? That's over the top, isn't it?

 

[Race Radio]

But why would it be the greatest fraud of all time? That's over the top, isn't it?

For the sport of cycling it certainly is the greatest fraud.

 

[ChrisE]

Wow BPC was actually a pro troll compared to this guy Hombre. Hombre is strictly amateur hour Cat 5 troll.

Debate the post, not the poster.

Why do you guys have to resort to name calling, etc? I think it must be an uncontrollable response when you have to engage your brain.

 

[BikeCentric]

If you are going to make that claim then you are also making the claim the Trek's own marketing literature regarding the LeMond bikes was full of lies since a huge part of their marketing was that LeMond himself was involved in the design process from the ground up. Everyone who worked in the bicycle industry for a Trek dealer knows that including you.

Quoted my own post above for ChrisE's benefit.

Chris that was directed toward our new troll friend Hombre. Regardless, when someone comes on here and makes numerous idiotic posts without a single shred of reality to back him then I've got every right to call him a troll.

It's called earning credibility. This guy Hombre has none. You have little.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

But why would it be the greatest fraud of all time? That's over the top, isn't it?

Do you think, Bristol Myers, Suburau, Michealob, Nike, etc are going to go down and knock on LA's door offering lots of cash if he hadn't won a Tour?

 

[Polish]

Firstly - I don't believe this case will go to trial, unfortunately. Trek & Lance have too much to lose so I expect them to make Greg an offer he can't refuse.

But to answer your hypothetical. If it is shown that Dr. Ferrari is indeed a doping genius then what Greg said is true. If its shown that Ferrari is a decent dude - then why is what Greg said harmful to the brand?

What Greg said - if Lance doped it is the greatest fraud - is an accurate and reasonable statement.

Just curious - how much do you think is an "offer he can't refuse"?
And why can't he refuse?
I bet if the case is settled out of court, it would be for less than what you think.

Trek has a chance of not having to pay Greg at all if it goes to trial.

"if Lance doped it is the greatest fraud " is not accurate or reasonable.
It is hyberbole.

"why is what Greg said harmful to the brand?" Don't ask me ask Trek.
They have that evidence, not me. I carry other brands.

 

[Publicus]

Just curious - how much do you think is an "offer he can't refuse"?
And why can't he refuse?
I bet if the case is settled out of court, it would be for less than what you think.

Trek has a chance of not having to pay Greg at all if it goes to trial.

"if Lance doped it is the greatest fraud " is not accurate or reasonable.
It is hyberbole.

"why is what Greg said harmful to the brand?" Don't ask me ask Trek.
They have that evidence, not me. I carry other brands.

That very well may be true, but the damage that may result from some of the testimony may make the ultimate victory a Pyrrhic one.

Also, "if Lance doped it is the greatest fraud" seems to me to be an accurate, if totally non-controversial statement. It is a conditional statement of opinion. He did not call Lance the greatest fraud. He said IF Lance doped... So Lance's reaction, in my opinion, is completely over the top. Even Lance would have to acknowledge that if he doped some could consider him the greatest fraud...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Just curious - how much do you think is an "offer he can't refuse"?
And why can't he refuse?
I bet if the case is settled out of court, it would be for less than what you think.

Trek has a chance of not having to pay Greg at all if it goes to trial.

"if Lance doped it is the greatest fraud " is not accurate or reasonable.
It is hyperbole.

"why is what Greg said harmful to the brand?" Don't ask me ask Trek.
They have that evidence, not me. I carry other brands.

Obviously greg is the only one who can say what sum would be acceptable - but in the most recent article it said he was available to settle.

If it shown that Trek bowed to LA's demands to drop Lemond or that Lance doped - how damaging is that to both their future earning potential?
The 'bean counters' will be weighing up the costs.

Why are Greg's comments hyperbole? As I asked 'Great White' earlier...
Do you think, Bristol Myers, Subaru, Michealob, Nike, etc are going to go down and knock on LA's door offering lots of cash if he hadn't won a Tour?

 

[Anonymous]

Do you think, Bristol Myers, Suburau, Michealob, Nike, etc are going to go down and knock on LA's door offering lots of cash if he hadn't won a Tour?

But why do you agree it would it be the greatest fraud in the history of sport?

 

[BikeCentric]

But why do you agree it would it be the greatest fraud in the history of sport?

7 TDF's in a row? That's a pretty big fraud dude. I don't know what could be bigger. Paying off players to throw 7 Super Bowls in a row? I dunno, you tell us?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

But why do you agree it would it be the greatest fraud in the history of sport?

I will ask this question again.......
Do you think, Bristol Myers, Suburau, Michealob, Nike, etc are going to go down and knock on LA's door offering lots of cash if he hadn't won a Tour?

 

[Anonymous]

7 TDF's in a row? That's a pretty big fraud dude. I don't know what could be bigger. Paying off players to throw 7 Super Bowls in a row? I dunno, you tell us?

LeMond said it after Armstrong's first win. Remember cycling is a sport that has long been rife with doping and LeMond will know this. To me is seems very over the top.

 

[Publicus]

I will ask this question again.......
Do you think, Bristol Myers, Suburau, Michealob, Nike, etc are going to go down and knock on LA's door offering lots of cash if he hadn't won a Tour?

Don't forget US Postal, Discovery Channel and Radio Shack

 

[Anonymous]

I will ask this question again.......
Do you think, Bristol Myers, Suburau, Michealob, Nike, etc are going to go down and knock on LA's door offering lots of cash if he hadn't won a Tour?

I don't think LeMond was refering to Armstrong's sponsorship deals.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I don't think LeMond was refering to Armstrong's sponsorship deals.

So what was he referring to - in your opinion?

 

[Anonymous]

But why do you agree it would it be the greatest fraud in the history of sport?

Dude, this is getting sad, you keep getting banned and coming back. It is going to happen again. You are a sad, twisted, mentally ill little troll. Honestly one of the worst I have ever seen.

 

[Anonymous]

So what was he referring to - in your opinion?

The sporting act of winning a tour doped. I don't think he was talking about financial matters.