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red_flanders said:What about the other part--greatest comeback. Equal hyperbole? Is hyperbole OK in one case and not another?
How about we get the real facts, from the actual interview that the quote appeared an episode of Outside the Lines on EPSN
Armstrong's comeback was the greatest comeback in the history of cycling. His doping is the greatest fraud in the sport. Even the most *** Troll can agree to this.
Wrong again.Great White said:The original interview was with the Sunday Times, as I understand it. I cannot find that Sunday Times interview so I can only go on the quote from the latest article. It maybe the quote in that latest article is the full version and others were convoluted. I don't know. Whichever way, I do not think it is accurate or reasonable thing to say.
When Lance won the prologue to the 1999 Tour I was close to tears, but when I heard he was working with Michele Ferrari I was devastated. In the light of Lance's relationship with Ferrari, I just don't want to comment on this year's Tour. This is not sour grapes. I'm disappointed in Lance, that's all it is
He also went into detail of some of Armstrong's actions against him.If [Armstrong's] clean, it's the greatest comeback. And if he's not, then it's the greatest fraud,"
Race Radio said:Wrong again.
This led to 3 years of threats, intimidation, and a PR campaign dedicated to smearing his name. By 2004 it was clear that there was a concerted effort by Trek to screw Greg so in an interview with ESPN he said
He also went into detail of some of Armstrong's actions against him.
The persecution act does not work, your act has worn thin over the last 6 months do not expect any sympathy.
Great White said:We know Armstrong has the mental strength to win seven tours.
Race Radio said:How about we get the real facts, from the actual interview that the quote appeared an episode of Outside the Lines on EPSN
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1841300
"If [Armstrong's] clean, it's the greatest comeback. And if he's not, then it's the greatest fraud," LeMond said.
Armstrong's comeback was the greatest comeback in the history of cycling. His doping is the greatest fraud in the sport. Even the most *** Troll can agree to this.
Who is Spocket1? You must have forgot as he was what, 5-6 bans ago for you?
Ferminal said:Can't believe a page was spent arguing over this. Fairly straight forward comprehension there...
BYOP88 said:If HRH Lance Phamstrong had nothing to hide or worry about, then he wouldn't give a flying funk about what Greg Lemond had to say or what "info" he had, but you don't get "crap" unless there's something there. Also if Lemond had nothing then I think that Phamstrong would be taking Lemond to court for defamation.
PS. How much cash you getting per post?
Casa de Hombre said:None
Lemond is on drugs right?
Casa de Hombre said:None
Great White said:But first you tried to claim it was a reference to finanical matters, then you changed the quote, then you only agreed to the "fraud" part of the quote, so I couldn't be sure.
Well I disagree. I think the statement was over the top. Plenty of dopers have succeeded in cycling. It's more a question of which successful cyclists have not doped.
Great White said:We know Armstrong has the mental strength to win seven tours. He is obviously not a fraud.
Dr. Maserati said:That is the quote - I did not change it.
As for his fraud - it is both sporting and financial. Without his athletic achievements all the sponsors & teams I mentioned earlier do not fatten up his bank account.
It is reasonable to see that Lance has made avast sum of money from his time with Dr. Ferrari.
Dr. Maserati said:He wouldn't have had have the physical strength to win a Tour - which is why he associated himself with Dr. Ferrari - who is a doping doctor.
Obviously fraud.
Great White said:You're saying that his success is all down to Dr Ferrari? That's quite an assertion.
I didn't say he was just a doping Doctor BPC - but it is his best feature.Great White said:I don't agree with that at all. In LeMond's defense perhaps it seemed that like that at the time, but winning 7 puts and one third placing after a long time out, puts that notion to bed.
Are you sure Dr Ferrari is just a doping doctor? I've seen riders claiming he is also very good psychological and endurance coach, and is very good with number crunching to see how long a person can stay at the limit, which is why DS's sometimes called him during stages.
Great White said:There are two versons of it so perhaps this lead to confusion.
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red_flanders said:Maybe you could give us a run-down on # of Tour victories before and after Ferrari and we could then determine the answer to your question.
Great White said:Are you sure Dr Ferrari is just a doping doctor? I've seen riders claiming he is also very good psychological and endurance coach, and is very good with number crunching to see how long a person can stay at the limit, which is why DS's sometimes called him during stages.
Dr. Maserati said:I didn't say he was just a doping Doctor BPC - but it is his best feature.
Name some of the riders...................(I hope they aren't clients of the Doctor)
Race Radio said:There is only one version, the correct one.
Race Radio said:You are going to get banned again if you keep up with this garbage.
Great White said:He worked with Ferrari pre cancer and did not win the tour.
I think it's simplistic to put it all down to Ferrari. That's the type of thing that is accepted wisdom on the internet, but in the real world the truth is usually more complex. Armstrong wasn't attempting to win the tour before cancer and was training for different goals, much like Bradly Wiggins in his career before this year. You can't put everything in neat little boxes.