Lemond/Trek new thread

[petethedrummer]

I sure never read about the fans of professional football Europe complaining about the fantastic doping of their teams.

The reason football fans don't talk about is because it is not properly publicised in football media. The supposed participation of Real Madrid and Barcelona players in operation puerto is not widely known by football fans and is not discussed or publicised in the football media. Football is CONSTANTLY in the media over here in the UK and Ireland and to the same levels in Spain and Italy they never ever mention doping.

I would rather watch how European Football handles doping. Maybe we can learn from them.

European Football as you call it is run by UEFA and World Football by FIFA. FIFA which is the overall governing body currently has no blood passport system and rejected the out of competition testing proposed by WADA.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSB51871420090511
http://www.goal.com/en/news/745/fif...-wada-discuss-biological-passport-in-football

Do you think the UCI should abolish the blood passport and out of competition testing???

 

[sherer]

that is what really annoyed me with Puerto is we know this went into football and a host of other sports and as usual the only names in the public eye are of cyclists

 

[eleven]

Higgens doesn't drink coffee, he only drinks whiskey....morning, noon, and night. Thats what working for Armstrong will do to you.

You show your ignorance. The day may begin with an Irish coffee but everyone knows it ends with Scotch and Soda.

 

[flicker]

European Football

I only went to one game in west Sussex. It was Mancester United Vs, I don't know...Brighton.
I think if I had ever claimed doping or anything yelled something I would have been pummeled.

The more testing the better in cycling. I have always thought that ever since Tom Simpson died. When riders are caught I am releived. I hope the youngsters catch on. The older died in wool dopers will probably not get caught.

I feel that all the vociferous anti dopers on the sidelines like LeMond, UCI, Davide Walsh do more harm then good to cycling sport.

I would prefer to see Di ck Pound his predecessor WADA ASO and all their anti doping agencies go undercover and do their jobs quietly and efficiently.

At this point I would prefer to watch women and juniors race. Cleaner.

 

[guilder]

If an idiot falls over in the woods, does it make any sound?

Greg would be the one to ask. I'm sure he was not only howling but rolling on the ground when he shot himself in the foot.

 

[guilder]

Here in Europe, it would be a few knowing winks and shrugs, then cycling business as usual.

Well I hope they refrain from profiting on the huge Lance Armstrong return phenomenon. That would be hypocritical if what you say is true. Should they subtract 2008 profits from 2009 and give the remainder to a charity unrelated to cycling? That would be huge.

 

[workingclasshero]

I only went to one game in west Sussex. It was Mancester United Vs, I don't know...Brighton.
I think if I had ever claimed doping or anything yelled something I would have been pummeled.

you ought to find something to post about that you do know something about.

from what i know manchester united have ever played in west sussex. brighton is in east sussex and iirc united have not played down there since 1992 ish

anyhoo, let's say you went to this imaginery game of yours. if you had yelled doping people wouldn't be arsed about what you said, they would just shake their heads and say 'wtf is this plonker talking about' to the person next to them.

The view most football fans take re: doping is that with football being a sport which requires so many different abilities, with the physical side of it not being as important as you might think, peds wouldn't do much for you.

Especially not as it is a highly game played out with 22 players on the pitch - even if one player on of the teams doped, it would be hard for him to decide the outcome of a match or a season on his own.

man united had an important player banned for 8 months in 2004 cause he 'forgot' to show up for an out of competition drugs test.

now i myself don't doubt for a sec that some of the many deaths in football in the last seven or eight years is down to doping, and i believe use of hgh etc is rampant but most football fans wouldn't be bothered and would not be offended if it was suggested it's going on.

 

[Anonymous]

God you folks are simple. Europe and the world laughs when we try to impeach a president for fellatio. In Europe this pot stirring that LeMond choses is making the US cycling look silly.
Europ will probably laugh if Lance goes down. I thought and think that Greg is more taker then giver. What is Greg doing for cycling now? I guess its good it gives us something to blog about.
Cycling a rich tradition of doping. Nothings changed different faces.
Like I said Greg starts a team starts manufacturing bikes in the US goes to races sponsers teams now hey I'll buy a LeMond for my kids and I will ride one. I would not buy a Trek LeMond because Greg puts his name on it .
Is that going to make me healthier happier and a great rider like Greg? Greg wanted 20 grand to show up at our local criterium? He loves cycling?

We're not blogging. We are posting on a forum. There is a difference. I wouldn't expect someone like you to know the difference, so I guess I have no point. Oh wait, there is one:
We have heard your weak arguments about 1000 times now, and they aren't any better from you than they were from anyone else.

 

[Casa de Hombre]

You show your ignorance. The day may begin with an Irish coffee but everyone knows it ends with Scotch and Soda.

Glad you pointed that out. I was going to do the same.

But really Higgins likes to cap the day with a Shiner Bock.

 

[Casa de Hombre]

We're not blogging. We are posting on a forum. There is a difference. I wouldn't expect someone like you to know the difference, so I guess I have no point. Oh wait, there is one:
We have heard your weak arguments about 1000 times now, and they aren't any better from you than they were from anyone else.

But he does have a point about what has Greg done for the sport these days. Not much really.
So does Lemond really think he can get Lance Armstrong through Trek? Weaksauce!

 

[Anonymous]

But he does have a point about what has Greg done for the sport these days. Not much really.

No, he doesn't.

So does Lemond really think he can get Lance Armstrong through Trek? Weaksauce!

So it was equally as weak when Armstrong chose that avenue? Oh wait, you fanboys never are very good at pickin' out the irony of your statements. Dang.

Most of you guys are just chamois sniffers, but you actually drink the stuff, don't you?

 

[Casa de Hombre]

No, he doesn't.



So it was equally as weak when Armstrong chose that avenue? Oh wait, you fanboys never are very good at pickin' out the irony of your statements. Dang.

How did Lance go after Greg through Trek?

Trek decided that Greg’s name on their bicycles was not worth pursuing. That is it right? To bad for Greg that the gravy train is over.

 

[Anonymous]

How did Lance go after Greg through Trek?

Trek decided that Greg’s name on their bicycles was not worth pursuing. That is it right? To bad for Greg that the gravy train is over.

I think the court is deciding that, not some ignorant fanboy. I guess this just isn't your day.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Looks like flicker and guilder failed so they called in the paid professional help.

 

[Race Radio]

How did Lance go after Greg through Trek?

Armstrong announced to a table of people that he was going to call Burke and figure out a way to sink Greg. Soon after Trek did just that. Burke himself even admitted it was extortion.

Is it possible that two of the most epic trolls in the history of the internet have mated?

Hombre

And House

this could go full *** fast.

 

[flicker]

I know you guys know a lot more about cycling then I do. I am speaking about the insulting forumites.
I guess some of us like marmalade and some of us like strawberry jam though.

I do know that Greg (just to show up) to help us promote a small criterium here last May.

He was the last winner of the race, it had been defunct since I beleive the 70s.

Hey if you think Gregs the greatest thing since sliced bread more power to ya thought for food.

 

[Casa de Hombre]

I think the court is deciding that, not some ignorant fanboy. I guess this just isn't your day.

How come you get to call names and make personal insults but do not care that someone has a different opinion?

 

[Casa de Hombre]

Armstrong announced to a table of people that he was going to call Burke and figure out a way to sink Greg. Soon after Trek did just that. Burke himself even admitted it was extortion.

Is it possible that two of the most epic trolls in the history of the internet have mated?

Hombre

And House

this could go full *** fast.

Why do you have to post personal photo's?

 

[Hugh Januss]

How come you get to call names and make personal insults but do not care that someone has a different opinion?

Twelve posts in and he's already whining about being picked on. Is this just another reincarnation of BPC?

 

[fatandfast]

If and when it goes to trial is Greg is going to say that he knows something that all the races/organizers and agencies don't. Does he really have a key to a skeleton closet that would sink Lance? Did Greg keep the secret of what a turd Lance is for the good of Lemond/Trek or the good of bike racing? Like a couple of people have written here, Greg's information/opinions and their voicing caused customers and sales to decline. Since my start in racing both Lemond and Armstrong have increased it's popularity,apples to apples, Lemond having access to the same amount of world media that Lance did in his heyday I think LA still furthered bike racing more. Lemond's I smell a rat/everybody is on drugs is still hurting bike racing after his bike brand crashed and burned. Asking people to recall bedside talk between friends as evidence is probably going to make Lemond look bitter grey.

 

[Polish]

Michele Ferrari as a witness for the defense?

Does it make sense for Trek to use Michele Ferrari as a witness in the upcoming trial?

I would think so. The average Minnesotan on the Jury will NOT know who the heck Ferrari is - and it sure would make sense for Trek to highlight all the NON-DOPING benefits and advice he supplied.

Sure, the prosecution will slime him REALLY bad on NON-Lance stuff, but what does that REALLY have to do with the NON-DOPING Lance services he provided? Seems it would be important to show that. How sympathetic a figure does Michele Ferrari present on a witness stand?

Of course, if the good Michele Ferrari DID dope Lance things might get sticky

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=indepth.view&id=105

Per DR F:

"Greg Lemond on LeMonde proposed the usual rancid suspicions on his performances.....An absolutely false valuation"

 

[Race Radio]

Why do you have to post personal photo's?

I idolize these guys, they are my heroes. I hope to some day reach their level of enlightenment....until then I remain their humble servant.

I need to figure out which one to use as my avatar, which one do you think looks best?

 

[Hugh Januss]

I idolize these guys, they are my heroes. I hope to some day reach their level of enlightenment....until then I remain their humble servant.

I need to figure out which one to use as my avatar, which one do you think looks best?

Probably depends on what you're going for. The one on top looks more distinquished while the other one looks like a max tool.

 

[Casa de Hombre]

Twelve posts in and he's already whining about being picked on. Is this just another reincarnation of BPC?

You guys are really good at this sort of foolishness of calling names and posting personal photos. Still mad because someone thinks that Greg’s name on a bike was not a good thing? Seriously what did he contribute to the bike that Trek was making? Did he spend hours with the designers on setting up the design to be unique and special? No he just sat at his house from what I can tell and made phone calls to people and recorded them.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Does it make sense for Trek to use Michele Ferrari as a witness in the upcoming trial?

I would think so. The average Minnesotan on the Jury will NOT know who the heck Ferrari is - and it sure would make sense for Trek to highlight all the NON-DOPING benefits and advice he supplied.

Sure, the prosecution will slime him REALLY bad on NON-Lance stuff, but what does that REALLY have to do with the NON-DOPING Lance services he provided? Seems it would be important to show that. How sympathetic a figure does Michele Ferrari present on a witness stand?

Of course, if the good Michele Ferrari DID dope Lance things might get sticky

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=indepth.view&id=105

Per DR F:

"Greg Lemond on LeMonde proposed the usual rancid suspicions on his performances.....An absolutely false valuation"

Isn't that akin to using Hannibal Lecter as a character reference?