Levi Leipheimer

[issoisso]

I like bluntness.

You like a lot of things, apparently

 

[Beech Mtn]

So, if a person wrote USA Cycling and asked them to verify Tom Zirbel's suspension, they would answer that you need Tom's permission before they could verify it? What about Floyd's suspension? Tyler's? Any other American athlete's suspension info????

 

[Beech Mtn]

Levi Never Doped. Oh Really?

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/05/hometown_hero_levi_leipheimer.php

Thanks to Colm.Murphy for posting the link to this article in the Landis letter links thread. Thought I'd copy the link over here since it belongs here too. Wonder if the story will make it on Wikipedia now?

 

[BikeCentric]

Levi Never Doped. Oh Really?

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/05/hometown_hero_levi_leipheimer.php

Thanks to Colm.Murphy for posting the link to this article in the Landis letter links thread. Thought I'd copy the link over here since it belongs here too. Wonder if the story will make it on Wikipedia now?

Hey Joe,
Maybe you should consider forwarding your e-mail chain of USA Cycling's stonewalling to the reporter who wrote the above article? Always good to shine a light on corrupt practices and conflicts of interest.

 

[barn yard]

i hope this source is credible enough for the wiki moderators

 

[Anonymous]

not yet i dont think. They want either first hand documentation or quality second hand documentation.

Ive emailed the link to the article above to david walsh c/o the sunday times.. might be worth a few more people doing the same. hes the kinda guy who might well take a closer look at this one.

Im surprised cyclingnews arent willing to pick up on this one yet

 

[Anonymous]

no reply yet of course.

 

[blackcat]

not yet i dont think. They want either first hand documentation or quality second hand documentation.

Ive emailed the link to the article above to david walsh c/o the sunday times.. might be worth a few more people doing the same. hes the kinda guy who might well take a closer look at this one.

Im surprised cyclingnews arent willing to pick up on this one yet

you are surprised? OR gullible, have not you learned a thing?

 

[euanli]

Does the US not have anything like the UK's Freedom of Information Act? That would do the job in getting info about the ban.

 

[BikeCentric]

no reply yet of course.

Honestly Joe Papp has the real story here - that e-mail chain with USA Cycling stonewalling is very damning IMHO.

I really think you should take that to a journalist Joe, or blog it and send out links to various journalists; Kimmage and Walsh would probably run with it.

 

[blackcat]

funny how wikipedia is devolving into multiple 1984 microcosms, by invoking rules

 

[Anonymous]

you are surprised? OR gullible, have not you learned a thing?

surprised that wiki wont accept anything less than levi standing on the golden great bridge with an "i doped" banner, or surprised that CN have not mentioned it yet..

on a side note, i think wiki would accept cyclingnews as a "credible source"

 

[Ninety5rpm]

funny how wikipedia is devolving into multiple 1984 microcosms, by invoking rules

It's funny how wikipedia gets flack for anyone being able to put anything they want in any article, and for having rules that prevent that from happening.

Overall, I think it does an incredibly good job balancing between those two criticisms, especially on well-known/controversial topics.

There is an overriding concern at Wikipedia to not be a primary source for anything itself, especially where biographies of living persons are concerned. That's why controversial information about a living person needs to be sourced better than in a web archived article from a defunct periodical.

 

[Anonymous]

It's funny how wikipedia gets flack for anyone being able to put anything they want in any article, and for having rules that prevent that from happening.

Overall, I think it does an incredibly good job balancing between those two criticisms, especially on well-known/controversial topics.

There is an overriding concern at Wikipedia to not be a primary source for anything itself, especially where biographies of living persons are concerned. That's why controversial information about a living person needs to be sourced better than in a web archived article from a defunct periodical.

but once they are dead they can put what they want

Damnit.. the day lance dies his wiki page is gonna get trashed

 

[Ninety5rpm]

but once they are dead they can put what they want

Damnit.. the day lance dies his wiki page is gonna get trashed

Everything is supposed to be properly sourced, but of course that's not actually the case, but it's especially difficult to get poorly sourced information into a BLP, and that's what this is, for now.

 

[Anonymous]

Everything is supposed to be properly sourced, but of course that's not actually the case, but it's especially difficult to get poorly sourced information into a BLP, and that's what this is, for now.

and will be as long as US cycling play hard ball with the information i guess..

 

[Ninety5rpm]

and will be as long as US cycling play hard ball with the information i guess..

A hardcopy of that magazine has to exist somewhere. Listing the name, volume, page number etc. of it should suffice.

 

[barn yard]

Does the US not have anything like the UK's Freedom of Information Act? That would do the job in getting info about the ban.

USA Cyling is not a government body so I would imagine the FOI rules do not apply

 

[usedtobefast]

A hardcopy of that magazine has to exist somewhere. Listing the name, volume, page number etc. of it should suffice.

it was in Velonews at the time.

 

[BroDeal]

A hardcopy of that magazine has to exist somewhere. Listing the name, volume, page number etc. of it should suffice.

I already suggested that we go to the various English speaking cycling forums and ask if anyone has an old copy gathering dust. Someone has to have saved their whole collection of cycling magazines.

You would think a library somewhere would have this stuff.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Everything is supposed to be properly sourced, but of course that's not actually the case, but it's especially difficult to get poorly sourced information into a BLP, and that's what this is, for now.

True - but as I pointed out earlier just check the 'sources' for Lance's V02 max on his page. IIRC Both are 'runners' magazines quoting 1)an unsourced number 2) a Chris Comical 'quote'.

 

[Anonymous]

True - but as I pointed out earlier just check the 'sources' for Lance's V02 max on his page. IIRC Both are 'runners' magazines quoting 1)an unsourced number 2) a Chris Comical 'quote'.

well maybe its time to start removing stuff from wikipedia that doesnt have proper sources..

I wonder if lances page says hes the "worlds most tested athlete"

and im joking btw. i do not suggest removing things from lances page as some sort of petty retribution.

Although things like this on lances wiki are BS

"Armstrong has continually denied using "illegal" performance-enhancing drugs and has described himself as "the most tested athlete in the world".[56] A 1999 urine sample showed traces of corticosteroid in an amount that was not in the positive range. A medical certificate showed he used an approved cream for saddle sores which contained the substance.[57]"

the thing about describing himself as the worlds most tested athelete shouldnt be there, its a biased comment with no foundation. there is also nothing about the medical certificate being backdated.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/05/hometown_hero_levi_leipheimer.php links to this http://web.archive.org/web/19970124211641/www.winningmag.com/story/wol1204c.html

There is a complete collection of "Winning: Bicycle Racing Illustrated" in the British Library Newspaper Library in Collingdale in North London.

http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/PHCLBU6LHH...set_number=179015&set_entry=000004&format=999

System number 011822052
Nat. bib. no. GB8918589
Abbreviated title LinkWin. (Lond.)
Key title LinkWinning (London)
Title LinkWinning : bicycle racing illustrated.
Dates of pub. No.1-
Publisher/year LinkLondon : Winning, [1984?]-
Physical descr. v. : col.ill., col.ports. ; 30cm.
Publicat. frequency Monthly
General note Description based on: No.58 (May 1988)
Subject LinkBicycle racing -- Periodicals.
Subject LinkBicycles Racing Serials
Related item Tour de France, ISSN 0955-1131
Holdings note General Reference Collection ZK.9.b.1782 No.1-
Serial holdings Details
Shelfmark ZK.9.b.1782 Request
ISSN Link(ISSN)0955-1123
Dewey class. no. Link796.6/2/05 19

If you want old hardcopies of cycling magazines then the BL is the best place to look (if you are in the UK)

http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/PHCLBU6LHH...81?func=file&file_name=find-b&local_base=blac

 

[Anonymous]

who do i know who lives anywhere near collingwood..?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Colindale not Collingwood

http://www.bl.uk/aboutus/quickinfo/loc/colindale/index.html

It's just opposite the Tube station.