Levi Leipheimer

[RhodriM]

They will also have a large collection of European and North American newspapers/magazines. So if you need a hard-copy of any magazine that would be the place to start. If you are in the US then the place to look would be the Library of Congress.

Or any Legal Deposit Library:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_deposit

They're useful places, and like I said, I work at one so I can put in a request Tuesday morning for Winning and likely get it by lunch time.

What exactly do you need from it? I can probably get a photocopy, but would a scanned photocopy of a defunct(?) magazine suffice as a suitable reference?

 

[Race Radio]

You should also try Velonews

 

[Anonymous]

Or any Legal Deposit Library:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_deposit

They're useful places, and like I said, I work at one so I can put in a request Tuesday morning for Winning and likely get it by lunch time.

What exactly do you need from it? I can probably get a photocopy, but would a scanned photocopy of a defunct(?) magazine suffice as a suitable reference?

well wiki are saying that details of the
issue number
page number
and details of the article is considered evidence

so im guessing a scan of the front with the issue date etc on it
and a scan of the page with the actual article on it showing the page number, and date would suffice

digital camera images work fairly well as they are better resolution that copies/scans

 

[RhodriM]

Yeah just read that on their discussion page.

Not sure about scanning and uploading to the web as I'd probably need permission from the copyright owner...

Obviously not all materials referenced by wikipedia(or anything) can be on the web, the vast majority are not(at least legally). I don't think it's reasonable for them to expect that.

It has been claimed in the discussion page of the Leipheimer article that "I won't overturn it again if some acceptable refs are published; e.g., if it was in Winning, find the issue, date and page # along with proper article title and author name and cite it."

I'll at least try to gather these things. Incidentally, if anyone does know which issue it's likely to be in that would make things easier, as it looks like I have to request by issue #. But failing that I'm sure I can always go to the desk and ask for a few from late '96/early '97.

Unfortunately though for all we know it might have been a web-only 'article' - it wasn't a very big one.

 

[lightandlongshadows]

http://www2.ocregister.com/articles/grewal-didn-olympic-2524273-tour-phinney

"Grewal said he didn't participate in a pre-Olympic blood doping program coordinated by U.S. coaches and officials because he was estranged from U.S. head coach Eddie Borysewicz and training on his own. Grewal said Borysewicz had discussed blood doping with him the winter of 1984 but didn't learn of the actual procedure until weeks after the race. Such blood doping was legal at the time, though it was banned soon after the '84 Olympics"

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Yes, that's been discussed (and off topic). The 1984 Olympic road team had the opportunity to blood pack, but didn't do so. It's been reported many times.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Also lost in the fray, just a reminder that Joe did post a link on his blog to the archive of the Winning Magazine article on Levi's suspension

Link here.

 

[lightandlongshadows]

Begging your forgiveness. First post on this board in years. I was responding to someone on page 11 of this thread and didn't realize my post would be kicked all the way to the end of the thread as opposed to beneath the post I was responding to as is the case on most forums. Now I know.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Yeah just read that on their discussion page.

Not sure about scanning and uploading to the web as I'd probably need permission from the copyright owner...

Obviously not all materials referenced by wikipedia(or anything) can be on the web, the vast majority are not(at least legally). I don't think it's reasonable for them to expect that.

It has been claimed in the discussion page of the Leipheimer article that "I won't overturn it again if some acceptable refs are published; e.g., if it was in Winning, find the issue, date and page # along with proper article title and author name and cite it."

I'll at least try to gather these things. Incidentally, if anyone does know which issue it's likely to be in that would make things easier, as it looks like I have to request by issue #. But failing that I'm sure I can always go to the desk and ask for a few from late '96/early '97.

Unfortunately though for all we know it might have been a web-only 'article' - it wasn't a very big one.

No, you don't need permission because it doesn't infringe copyright laws. It is a non-commercial use. You would need permission if you were making money from it.

You are merely taking a copy for further reference.

 

[Oldman]

Also lost in the fray, just a reminder that Joe did post a link on his blog to the archive of the Winning Magazine article on Levi's suspension

Link here.

Thanks, Alp. This was the same season we rejected his inclusion into our "little" amateur team because he'd had a POS at Colorado Springs. He was looking for travel money and support riders. On his best day he'd be our fifth choice for race protection. Didn't he go/ride for Einstein Bagel's at this point?

 

[issoisso]

I nearly spilled my coffee reading the wikipedia discussion page

Early Years

"Levi moonlighted as a male erotic dancer to make ends meet during his high school years, biking is expensive."

Is there any reference confirming this claim?

 

[theswordsman]

Begging your forgiveness. First post on this board in years. I was responding to someone on page 11 of this thread and didn't realize my post would be kicked all the way to the end of the thread as opposed to beneath the post I was responding to as is the case on most forums. Now I know.

Welcome back. If you go to the post in question and hit the "Quote" button, you can select the bits you want to respond to and it will all show up with the new business. Some people get alerts when someone replies. Cheers

 

[blackcat]

Odessa Gunn might

 

[flicker]

Musta been one of those straight women erotic places. I have never found Levis dance erotic. Fred flicker

 

[joe_papp]

Honestly Joe Papp has the real story here - that e-mail chain with USA Cycling stonewalling is very damning IMHO.

I really think you should take that to a journalist Joe, or blog it and send out links to various journalists; Kimmage and Walsh would probably run with it.

Feel free to forward to Walsh or Kimmage. Floyd's kinda stolen the thunder as of late, but the '96 positive is part of the story and provides for the claim that LL had a predilection for artificial performance enhancement...

 

[RhodriM]

I'm afraid the library I'm at only have Winning up until 1990

Edit: In fact, according to the LOC 'Winning: Bicycle Racing Illustrated' became 'Winning: Bicycling Illustrated' around 1990, but I can't find the latter title either here or at the BL.


Are there any other periodicals that are likely to have reported it that I can check? I don't think cycling weekly would have reported on an American amateur race.

 

[blackcat]

Musta been one of those straight women erotic places. I have never found Levis dance erotic. Fred flicker

oh, but I have, and I am all man.

 

[blackcat]

Feel free to forward to Walsh or Kimmage. Floyd's kinda stolen the thunder as of late, but the '96 positive is part of the story and provides for the claim that LL had a predilection for artificial performance enhancement...

nah, just need to speak to Odessa.

 

[Race Radio]

I'm afraid the library I'm at only have Winning up until 1990

Edit: In fact, according to the LOC 'Winning: Bicycle Racing Illustrated' became 'Winning: Bicycling Illustrated' around 1990, but I can't find the latter title either here or at the BL.


Are there any other periodicals that are likely to have reported it that I can check? I don't think cycling weekly would have reported on an American amateur race.

It will be in Velonews

 

[Beech Mtn]

It will be in Velonews

Velonews: The Journal of Competitive Cycling. Volume 26: issue number 3, dated February 24, 1997. Page 7. Section is entitled "north55th" and is a series of short news notes. It includes the following quote:

Levi Leipheimer learned his lesson the hard way, but wanted to tell the tale to help others. It seems Leipheimer has always used Clariton for his sinuses, and Clariton is a USCF approved drug. Well, Leipheimer inadvertently purchased Clairton-D and used it before winning the U.S. amateur criterium championship last year. He tested positive for the ephedrine in the decongestant drug, and forfeited the stars-and-stripes jersey. . . .

The quote goes on a little longer, but not sure whether I should quote the whole thing. They do not bother to mention the name of the person who was awarded the national championship in Levi's stead.

(And yes, Velonews spelled Claritin in the way the quote says.)

 

[Race Radio]

Velonews: The Journal of Competitive Cycling. Volume 26: issue number 3, dated February 24, 1997. Page 7. Section is entitled "north55th" and is a series of short news notes. It includes the following quote:



The quote goes on a little longer, but not sure whether I should quote the whole thing. They do not bother to mention the name of the person who was awarded the national championship in Levi's stead.

(And yes, Velonews spelled Claritin in the way the quote says.)

Do you have a scanner?

I think there is also an earlier reference. I actually remember reading it as I had been away from the sport for a while at that time and one of the first magazine's I picked up, either Winning or Velonews, had his positive in there. It stuck with me because I had been away from the sport for a few years and I remember thinking somethings never change.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Here is a New York Times article From Atlanta to Wembley, Winners All. It is a list of 'Champions from 1996'.

U.S. Nationals

MEN'S CRITERIUM Levi Leipheimer, Butte, Mont.

WOMEN'S CRITERIUM Carmen Richardson, Knoxville, Tenn.

Olympics (Gold Medals)

MEN'S ROAD RACE Pascal Richard, Switzerland.

 

[Ferminal]

If he was using it for his sinuses, why didn't he get a backdated TUE...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Here is a story from the Montana Standard in 2006.

But just like baseball, where the confessed and greatly suspected, like Jason Giambi and Barry Bonds, have cast a cloud of steroid drip over every guy who hits a home run, the laundry list of dirty cyclists hangs suspicion over even the cleanest guys.

Levi, too, had a little run-in with a banned substance a few years ago.

It’s worth noting that it was a substance that is now legal, and his suspension was quickly overturned.

So we can only presume that Levi isn’t a cheater.

But in a Letter to the Editor responce to that article - sent in by Levi's family -they unwittingly confirm that he was suspended for a banned substance....

You try to cast doubt upon Levi by stating “so we can only presume that Levi isn’t a cheater.” You make reference to a single incident where Levi had a run-in with a banned substance a few years ago in 1997.

We are stating for the record that the substance he innocently used was Claritin D. He took Claritin D to relieve his hayfever symptoms.

The USCF (United States Cycling Federation) soon realized that its rules regarding allergy medications were too strict and subsequently allowed the use of them.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Do you have a scanner?

I think there is also an earlier reference. I actually remember reading it as I had been away from the sport for a while at that time and one of the first magazine's I picked up, either Winning or Velonews, had his positive in there. It stuck with me because I had been away from the sport for a few years and I remember thinking somethings never change.

You're right. There is an earlier reference too. It's in:

Velonews, volume 26: issue number 1. Dated January 13, 1997. On pages 6-7 in the "Velonotes" section of short news items. Title of the section is "Leipheimer title revoked." An excerpt:

A USA Cycling disciplinary panel has recommended that Levi Leipheimer receive a three-month suspension and be forced to return his national criterium championship jersey. The decision came after a drug test conducted at the August 18 championship event showed positive. The panel's decision was upheld by USA Cycling executive director Lisa Voight, and the criterium title was awarded Matt Johnson. . . .

It goes on to say that Randy Shafer (Technical Director of USA Cycling) did not say which substance Levi tested positive for. According to the article, Shafer also says:

the organization's press release qualified as the only "official word" on the subject.

I'm trying not to quote the entire article here, just like with the previous one, but both of these are very short news items.