Levi Leipheimer

[Ferminal]

Ferminal - I thought it was a cardinal rule of this forum to be critical of other members. You must be new here.

Don't think it's that, I guess I just believe in white horses with horns.

 

[Cal_Joe]

I was making a quip. Or trying to anyway. Well, at least I was the one who changed the title of the thread to something more objective, and posted links to his lifestyle that's an accurate portrayal of who he is to contribute to the discussion. ..

Sorry. The forums I am used to seem to have a sharper division between the moderator role and moderator posting guidelines. I think changing the name of the thread was a good move - I am not sure where Joe P is coming from or what his real agenda is.

Along those same lines, I can't remember anything in this thread about some of Joe's initial posts, where he said he was in the same race and LL lapped the field, etc. Which raises the question - if Joe was at the race, and was involved at that level of cycling, then I find it hard to believe that the sanction is news to him now. What is going on with that? Maybe it is just that my opinion of Joe, based on his posts, is that he may not be the sharpest guy on the block or there may be the need for him to be in the public eye.

Rambling on and returning to the intent of my previous post, it appears juvenile when posters attack something about a cyclists's website, house, lifestyle, etc. - is that on topic? Does it really add anything to the discussion? How does his friggin house matter in this thread?

 

[Cal_Joe]

Don't think it's that, I guess I just believe in white horses with horns.

Ah, playing the "fanboy" card, when I have never posted anything of the sort.

Ah, the "fanboy" card - last refuge of those who do not want to use their brain, but rely on swinging that handbag.

 

[Ferminal]

Ah, playing the "fanboy" card, when I have never posted anything of the sort.

Ah, the "fanboy" card - last refuge of those who do not want to use their brain, but rely on swinging that handbag.

Sorry....?

(Not sure what on Earth you're saying here!)

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

STAY ON TOPIC!

General back and forth banter is to be expected, certainly, but threads such as this one, and especially the Allen Lim one, have gotten to the point to where they become open ground for personal discussions and bickering.

If you have something to state directly to another member, do so through a PM. If you feel someone has violated posting rules, then report the post. But don't leave your complaints here for everyone to read.

 

[flicker]

I think Levi is a good guy. Anyone infatuated with him has some screws loose though.

 

[joe_papp]

Sorry. The forums I am used to seem to have a sharper division between the moderator role and moderator posting guidelines. I think changing the name of the thread was a good move - I am not sure where Joe P is coming from or what his real agenda is.

Along those same lines, I can't remember anything in this thread about some of Joe's initial posts, where he said he was in the same race and LL lapped the field, etc. Which raises the question - if Joe was at the race, and was involved at that level of cycling, then I find it hard to believe that the sanction is news to him now. What is going on with that? Maybe it is just that my opinion of Joe, based on his posts, is that he may not be the sharpest guy on the block or there may be the need for him to be in the public eye.

Rambling on and returning to the intent of my previous post, it appears juvenile when posters attack something about a cyclists's website, house, lifestyle, etc. - is that on topic? Does it really add anything to the discussion? How does his friggin house matter in this thread?

Arriving late or returning after time away is no excuse for not reading through the thread, Levi, which contains the answer to your rambling question(s). Nor is it an excuse for lame, transparent attempts to knock the discussion of course by sharing personal opinions on matters wholly unrelated to the topic.

I was really trying to understand the purpose of this thread, because yes- he doped 14 years ago and got 3 moths of suspension-- that's a fact now, JOe is trying to uncover the hypocrisy of Leechaimer & the entire LA/hog combo on how clean they ride-but everybody knows they are as dirty as the New York sewer lines & no matter is the story goes back a decade-every one still knows that back in those days, they indeed were hooked in the juice & nowadays they get the "real juice" from Ferrari-Leechaimer himself was/has been couched by him. so I asked myself-what's the fuzz all about?

The issue for me was that Taylor Phinney crapped-on Vino and whined about his being a cheating doper, and said he should go away from cycling, and that he disliked all cheaters, when he spared his pseudo teammate L.L. from the same banishment - either unknowingly, or intentionally ignoring L.L.'s positive test from 1996 - details of which were all but impossible to find on the Internet but which have now been dragged more into public view.

And if you follow Taylor's tweeeets, he contends now that he wasn't crying about anyone in particular (Winning L-B-L, that is)...a revisionist at work.

 

[180mmCrank]

Sorry. The forums I am used to seem to have a sharper division between the moderator role and moderator posting guidelines. I think changing the name of the thread was a good move - I am not sure where Joe P is coming from ...

Let's keep the comments about the topic and not about the person posting.

Cheers

Terry
Moderator

 

[lean mean &green]

forum etiquette 101

the origins of the thread ARE fair game. the OP's intentions/motivations for creating a thread ARE relevant. the origins of this thread were strange to say the least. apparently LL's 14 year old ephedra use was originally meant to justify an attack on taylor phinney's character after over-analyzing a tweet about vinokourov. convoluted to say the least. anyone with half a brain would question it's origins and there is nothing inappropriate about doing so.

pictures of someone's house, if already published in a magazine or online, are ALSO fair game. it is in poor taste for a moderator and the correct response is deletion or apology instead of excuses, but it IS fair game.

if you're going to use propriety as a shield or as a way to win a debate you first need to figure out what is, or isn't, proper.

these are general observations for all, that's why they haven't been PM'd. (proper etiquette).

proceed

 

[Oldman]

the origins of the thread ARE fair game. the OP's intentions/motivations for creating a thread ARE relevant. the origins of this thread were strange to say the least. apparently LL's 14 year old ephedra use was originally meant to justify an attack on taylor phinney's character after over-analyzing a tweet about vinokourov. convoluted to say the least. anyone with half a brain would question it's origins and there is nothing inappropriate about doing so.

pictures of someone's house, if already published in a magazine or online, are ALSO fair game. it is in poor taste for a moderator and the correct response is deletion or apology instead of excuses, but it IS fair game.

if you're going to use propriety as a shield or as a way to win a debate you first need to figure out what is, or isn't, proper.

these are general observations for all, that's why they haven't been PM'd. (proper etiquette).

proceed

Have to agree. While the thread started as an indictment of Taylor's judgement it's morphed to a close examination of Levi. Something that Taylor probably didn't or couldn't know unless he had been around awhile (or talked to his Mom/Dad). If the discussion is about Levi and the rewards he's reaped vs. Vino the pictures of his house can be relevant. What's Vino's house look like?

 

[perico]

I have changed the title of this thread to a generic title on Levi, as the discussion keeps shifting, and anyone not familiar with what Joe originally intended in his first post can certainly bring continue taht. Thus, the topics at hand seem to be:

• That Levi was positive for ephedra in 1996, and was sanctioned for it. But this is ignored by most fans, and arguably swept under the carpet.

• That Taylor Phinney was critical of dopers and said he wouldn't want to be around one after Vino won LBL, but seemed unaware of Levi's past positive.

• That Levi has yet to address Floyd Landis' claims of doping at USPS, though they were not on the team at the exact same time. Though if the case moves on, he will very likely be called to question.

We may as well discuss Levi's disappointing showing at the ToC here as well. Plus what position he has regarding the Tour, and if he will be the team leader should Lance not race it, or falter.

uhh... Levi did address the claims. I guess nobody posted it here, but he did in his hometown newspaper the week it came out. He pointed out that he and Floyd were never even teammates.

Here is the article- Leipheimer: "I did it the right way."
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/articl...on-Landis-accusations-I-did-it-the-right-way-

“I know the truth,” Leipheimer said. “I can be proud of my three Tours of California. I did it the right way. There is no truth to what he is saying. No truth at all. When a story like this comes out, all you can do is stand up for yourself.”

 

[Oldman]

uhh... Levi did address the claims. I guess nobody posted it here, but he did in his hometown newspaper the week it came out. He pointed out that he and Floyd were never even teammates.

Here is the article- Leipheimer: "I did it the right way."
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/articl...on-Landis-accusations-I-did-it-the-right-way-

That's somewhat disingenuous of him to limit his response. He's right but that hardly covers his entire history. Alpe said he'd have to "address" the issue.
As for explaining it to his hometown press-that was a pretty puffy piece of investigative journalism.

 

[perico]

That's somewhat disingenuous of him to limit his response. He's right but that hardly covers his entire history. Alpe said he'd have to "address" the issue.
As for explaining it to his hometown press-that was a pretty puffy piece of investigative journalism.

I'm not judging how bad of a puff piece it was nor am I defending the integrity of Levi Leipheimer, just that he has not been completely silent about the accusations, which is what I took the post to imply. It's more than what some of those accused have said.

 

[Oldman]

I'm not judging how bad of a puff piece it was nor am I defending the integrity of Levi Leipheimer, just that he has not been completely silent about the accusations, which is what I took the post to imply. It's more than what some of those accused have said.

True enough. Most of the responses have been corporately filtered and focused on the accuser.

 

[RhodriM]

From the wikipedia discussion page:

Ideally, a photo of Lie-pheimer shooting up, cigar in mouth, with his thumbs up to the camera a la Abu Ghraib, the syringe labelled 'EPO' in a comically large font, and a copy of the relevant day's San Francisco Chronicle sprawled out on the table beside him. Till, then, tough titties.

Ha...

 

[issoisso]

Rearranging the letters "Leipheimer", we get "Me Lie, Rep Hi".



ITS A CONSPIRACY EVERYBODY RUN

 

[Anonymous]

Have to agree. While the thread started as an indictment of Taylor's judgement it's morphed to a close examination of Levi. Something that Taylor probably didn't or couldn't know unless he had been around awhile (or talked to his Mom/Dad). If the discussion is about Levi and the rewards he's reaped vs. Vino the pictures of his house can be relevant. What's Vino's house look like?

actually the TP thread was a seperate thread... the TP thread started as how can tp hate dopers yet wants to ride for the shack and lance which in turn led to levi, and this thread was actually created as a seperate levi thread. The TP thread is seperate completely.]

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

I notice that the druggy poison dwarf has been dropped from that Visit California advert that runs on Eurosport. Obviously, Arnie didn't want to be associated with someone so closely linked to PEDS.

 

[Polish]

actually the TP thread was a seperate thread... the TP thread started as how can tp hate dopers yet wants to ride for the shack and lance which in turn led to levi, and this thread was actually created as a seperate levi thread. The TP thread is seperate completely.]

TP did NOT say he hated dopers.

TP called Vino a doper. And Joe Papp is a big Vino FanBoy.
"Why didn't TP call Levi a doper" WaaWaaWaa.

A pathetic petulant frenzy soon ensued.

 

[Bala Verde]

Stay on topic. It's the Levi thread.

 

[joe_papp]

TP did NOT say he hated dopers.

TP called Vino a doper. And Joe Papp is a big Vino FanBoy.
"Why didn't TP call Levi a doper" WaaWaaWaa.

A pathetic petulant frenzy soon ensued.

And Polish is a ... ? I never did get why readers who believe the interest or opinions behind a particular thread to be pathetic will then take the time to post that observation within the thread. Why not just ignore threads they consider pathetic, much like Taylor Phinney ignores the fact that his future-teammate is a once-sanctioned doper? And according to his clearly-biased and hostile anti-Kazakh logic - someone who he must hate, along with Vino.

Taylor Phinney hates all dopers.
Levi Leipheimer is a doper.
Ergo, Taylor Phinney must hate Levi - not just Vino.

 

[Oldman]

And Polish is a ... ? I never did get why readers who believe the interest or opinions behind a particular thread to be pathetic will then take the time to post that observation within the thread. Why not just ignore threads they consider pathetic, much like Taylor Phinney ignores the fact that his future-teammate is a once-sanctioned doper? And according to his clearly-biased and hostile anti-Kazakh logic - someone who he must hate, along with Vino.

Taylor Phinney hates all dopers.
Levi Leipheimer is a doper.
Ergo, Taylor Phinney must hate Levi - not just Vino.

OK guys...he's a kid. He's got more talent than anyone posting on this thread and he's probably squeaky clean. Do you expect him to be a hardened, cynical, manipulative vampire like most of his teammates? Let him learn in the next few months because I doubt anyone here has had to face the upside and downside of their career choices in such short order. If this is about Levi there are things going on. If it's about Taylor Phinney why don't we let the dude ride his bike for awhile. Stop eating the young.

 

[flicker]

Please JP, all pros are dopers, you know that. That is why the suspensions are so unfair as some sit at home, pick their noses, whine on the forum and pick posterior orifices and scrape up coin to buy a Mickeys' Big Mouth and others get big male fan love and cuddle in Nor_Cal with the charming Odessa.

 

[Oldman]

Please JP, all pros are dopers, you know that. That is why the suspensions are so unfair as some sit at home, pick their noses, whine on the forum and pick posterior orifices and scrape up coin to buy a Mickeys' Big Mouth and others get big male fan love and cuddle in Nor_Cal with the charming Odessa.

A more charming and gainfully employed individual and the imminent media pillorying Levi can expect may change that blissful image. Anyone want to sign up for the gainfully employed suitor? I'm ashamed to ask but interested in who would volunteer.

 

[flicker]

A more charming and gainfully employed individual and the imminent media pillorying Levi can expect may change that blissful image. Anyone want to sign up for the gainfully employed suitor? I'm ashamed to ask but interested in who would volunteer.

I see nothing but male love for Levi here. Whenever he gets close I look the other way, kinda like my shy labordoodle Pepper.

Ephedra is whack. I always prefer the meathal alcohol type drugs like my hero Hunter S. Thompson. Hunter knew what time it was.